Let me be straight (:cool: ) with you Mikki.....(we make jokes also....albeit bad ones). Im not particularly interested in what it is you have to say. Im sorry brudda. You see I tuned you out weeks ago when you said "black people are stupid". Some people arent really interested in having a informative dialogue as much as they are hearing themselves speak. You strike me as the latter. If im wrong....please clarify and i will rethink what i thought i had learned about you.

-- So do I. I especially love when people take things like "black" so seriously when they don't understand the essence of "blackness" at all. So I say things that make their heads spin. And I sit back and laugh when they call me racist or self-loathing. I do the same thing when I say "sissies" or "fags". Because people cling to these words for comfort without understanding exactly what it is that they believe in. I'd much rather you think of me as the latter because it helps me recognize who is ignorant and who isn't. Who is genuinely interested in having an informative dialogue and who isn't. The intelligent people would recognize words as merely window dressing and they would look through the window. Ignorant people pay more attention to the window dressing. If you read what I've said about christianity and religion you will see the consistency (in regard to the window metaphor).

You asked me: "then does that mean that you aren't interested in changing laws that discriminate against homosexuals??"

i thought i had answered you with this: the point is these things (all of them) matter to me because of who i am. What i wanna know is what is it about my personal choice of who i love or dont love ....got to do with you?.... but on reflection maybe it was a bit cryptic.

So let me make it clear. Yes. I am interested in changing laws that discriminate.

-- When you try to change laws that I feel are there out of necessity, then you do make it my business. As I've stated, homosexual marriage did not become an issue until 1990. Google "Defense of Marriage" act. You'll see why the most liberal president in decades made one of the most controversial decisions in the history of the US. Notice that you assign blame to George Bush -- but if you were informed about the topic then you would know exactly who was to blame. And trust me, I am not anti-Clinton. I simply believe in seeking the truth. Which isn't the same as speaking the truth.

...and I never said being black and gay was similar. I said the bigotry and prejudice against them is.

-- Well, I misread what you wrote. It certainly seemed to imply that in the original post. It seems to me that its far too convenient to placate an audience and pacify them on the issue of homosexuality or homosexual marriage by reminding them of racial prejudice and injustice. I'm sure they are well aware and don't need to be reminded.

I only have a problem when you try to make what you think the law that requires i think (or just live) the same way.

I think everyone should vote. I think conch snacks should never cost more than 7.00 dollars. I think my cable bill is too darn high.

I think all ignorant or blind (self edited ... no need to get rank)....people should be forced back into school and required to study Math, Science and yes.... The African Diaspora (and more).

See... its only what i think, what i believe.. (my right)....but not a law ....cause if it were....you would be writing me from the computer lab at your new school.

There is a difference.


I'm not trying to make what I think the law. I simply agree with a law that already exists. I'm hoping that you understand the law and why it was enacted and why people are fighting against you. You've taken the easy route and basically assigned attributes like "ignorant" and "blind" -- without trying to understand. The best way to defeat an enemy is to understand the enemy. You think I say what I say because I am homophobic or ignorant or self-loathing. But I've said several times that I don't believe in heterosexual or homosexual. I believe in a sexual spectrum where individuals are on different points along the spectrum but nobody is ever fully homosexual or fully heterosexual. Which accounts for bisexuality and also reconciles the differences in studies of homosexuality amongst homosexual men and homosexual women -- which standing alone have been rather contradictory and inconsistent. So I'm not just telling you that you aren't fully homosexual, I am also telling you that I'm not fully heterosexual. And just like I may have tendencies that I choose to repress or reject -- so do you.

But that's besides the point..

I think you should live and act in the best interest of society as a whole rather than in the best interest of yourself. I don't think its fair that women get to decide whether or not to have an abortion. But I understand that it is in the best interest of society as a whole. I don't think its fair that a progressive tax rate versus a flat tax rate is the law -- but I understand why it is necessary. I am trying to see beyond myself and how it affects everyone around me.

You may not think that homosexual marriage affects others -- but it does. Homosexuality doesn't. But homosexual marriage does. Just think about it. Do your research.

Are you saying striving for equal human rights is nihilistic!?! Please try again.
You say I stumble into contradictions in my arguments. Please try and prove that one.


I don't have to.

People see it all the time. The only person I'd have to prove it to is you -- but you live in denial so it wouldn't matter either way.

And you aren't striving for equal human rights. That's the part you can't seem to understand.

...this thread only serves to confirm that. If you were so interested in equal human rights you would fight for the rights of others that were dying. You can live without being married. But there are people dying. And your preference is to seek what's best for you. But you expect others to have a conscience while you ignore yours.

1.This is not as frightening as the cold war particularly during the Cuban missile/JFK crisis.
2.As long as it is Black folks killing Black folks, other races have a clear conscience and their own problems.
3.Only the fool hearty would build a city on the sea below sea level;it will take a carefully measured long time to rebuild it.
4.If our brothers were taught that education,work and family were the most important things in life,few would be in jail."hangin out on da corner is lookin'fa trouble."
5.Abstinence,safe sex and not sweethearting would put a serious hurt on the rising number of HIV cases.
6.The poor in the States have a medical card and good care.Why not here?
7.Perhaps if all the sissies did a huge amount of community service,it would be impossible for anyone to dislike them? That would be near impossable because as soon as we would say we are going here to do this or that you would see protesters. I know 2 Bahamian GLBT that did a documentery on AIDS and the AIDS camp. They were told to keep their sexual orientation silent. So how can we get out there and do community service so that people won't "dislike us" when we have to be silent about who we are?
8.Somehow too many of these threads are sooner or later hijacked by the gay agenda! But who is it that brings up GLBT on these threads??? Most of the time its not GLBT.
9.The most divisivness I see on this site is between regular folks and sissies.

That is because so called "regular folks" feel that as long as they pointing fingers at GLBT that others won't see them ("regular folks"). They hope that the more they can demonizes GLBT the less human we seem. Thus not intitled to equal human rights

-- So do I. I especially love when people take things like "black" so seriously when they don't understand the essence of "blackness" at all. So I say things that make their heads spin. And I sit back and laugh when they call me racist or self-loathing. I do the same thing when I say "sissies" or "fags". Because people cling to these words for comfort without understanding exactly what it is that they believe in. I'd much rather you think of me as the latter because it helps me recognize who is ignorant and who isn't. Who is genuinely interested in having an informative dialogue and who isn't. The intelligent people would recognize words as merely window dressing and they would look through the window. Ignorant people pay more attention to the window dressing. If you read what I've said about christianity and religion you will see the consistency (in regard to the window metaphor).
-- When you try to change laws that I feel are there out of necessity, then you do make it my business. As I've stated, homosexual marriage did not become an issue until 1990. Google "Defense of Marriage" act. You'll see why the most liberal president in decades made one of the most controversial decisions in the history of the US. Notice that you assign blame to George Bush -- but if you were informed about the topic then you would know exactly who was to blame. And trust me, I am not anti-Clinton. I simply believe in seeking the truth. Which isn't the same as speaking the truth.
-- Well, I misread what you wrote. It certainly seemed to imply that in the original post. It seems to me that its far too convenient to placate an audience and pacify them on the issue of homosexuality or homosexual marriage by reminding them of racial prejudice and injustice. I'm sure they are well aware and don't need to be reminded.
I'm not trying to make what I think the law. I simply agree with a law that already exists. I'm hoping that you understand the law and why it was enacted and why people are fighting against you. You've taken the easy route and basically assigned attributes like "ignorant" and "blind" -- without trying to understand. The best way to defeat an enemy is to understand the enemy. You think I say what I say because I am homophobic or ignorant or self-loathing. But I've said several times that I don't believe in heterosexual or homosexual. I believe in a sexual spectrum where individuals are on different points along the spectrum but nobody is ever fully homosexual or fully heterosexual. Which accounts for bisexuality and also reconciles the differences in studies of homosexuality amongst homosexual men and homosexual women -- which standing alone have been rather contradictory and inconsistent. So I'm not just telling you that you aren't fully homosexual, I am also telling you that I'm not fully heterosexual. And just like I may have tendencies that I choose to repress or reject -- so do you.
But that's besides the point..
I think you should live and act in the best interest of society as a whole rather than in the best interest of yourself. I don't think its fair that women get to decide whether or not to have an abortion. But I understand that it is in the best interest of society as a whole. I don't think its fair that a progressive tax rate versus a flat tax rate is the law -- but I understand why it is necessary. I am trying to see beyond myself and how it affects everyone around me.
You may not think that homosexual marriage affects others -- but it does. Homosexuality doesn't. But homosexual marriage does. Just think about it. Do your research.


Ok this one i have to respond .... (and here the conversation remains informative)... i just need to finish some work and wont be able to until i get home. Some interesting stuff here..... maybe we can look behind the words and see whats really going on?

The spin-off thread :bigmouth: :bigmouth: :bigmouth:

You didn't answer my question. He did just not in the way you wanted it.
But I knew that was going to happen. Just like you posted this foolishness to avoid answering my question in a previous thread.
Usually, you can find out how full of crap people are by just asking a few questions.
But I have to disagree with you. Black and gay are not similar at all. I would like to have been able to see you tell that to Coretta Scott King
http://www.eriegaynews.com/news/article.php?recordid=200603coretta You already pointed out why. The fact that you told me that you were homosexual makes it different from you being black. You mean because you cant see if someone is homosexual or not. But you can see if someone is black or not. Poor example cause if you saw a gay couple holding hands and being intamate (not in a sexual way) with one and other you would see that they are homosexual.
What does your personal choice of sexual partner have to do with me?? Nothing. Nothing at all. It has nothing to do with me until you make it my business. It has nothing to do with me until you insult me by telling me that black is similar to homosexual. It has nothing to do with me until you try to change the laws of the land to discriminate in favor of you.
And...you need to learn history..
Homosexual marriage has been legal in most places, including the United States for a long time. Actually, they called it civil union because presidents wisely recognized that marriage was religious by definition and that by sanctioning marriage that they violated the separation of church and state. So everyone had to form a civil union, but because of tradition most still refer to it as marriage. It wasn't until the 1990s when Bill Clinton passed the reformation of marriage act that homosexual marriages were outlawed. They were outlawed because homosexuals discovered a loop in the law. When couples divorced the law usually sided with the female spouse when division of property came about. In a homosexual marriage there is no female spouse. So then lesbians are not homosexual??? So the division of property became arbitrary.
From that point, men started filing for alimony against their wives. And things just went crazy. So to rectify the situation, Bill Clinton introduced the reformation of marriage act. Which passed by a landslide because the lawsuits were out of control.
So no....
Your choice of partner is not my business.
You made it my business.

have another go.

Why do I do this to myself.


He did just not in the way you wanted it.

-- Prove it. Actually, no he didn't. He didn't say whether one issue mattered more than the other to him. If so, that would be contradictory.

I would like to have been able to see you tell that to Coretta Scott King
http://www.eriegaynews.com/news/article.php?recordid=200603coretta

-- Oh, that's right. Her word is law.

You mean because you cant see if someone is homosexual or not. But you can see if someone is black or not. Poor example cause if you saw a gay couple holding hands and being intamate (not in a sexual way) with one and other you would see that they are homosexual.

-- George Bush kissed Joe Lieberman on the lips. Does that make him homosexual?? There are many men that have sex with other men in prison and they would say that they aren't homosexual. Its interesting that you would say that homosexuality can be seen. Because if I told you that you looked like a man -- you would deny that you were.


So then lesbians are not homosexual???

-- Which is the female spouse?? If they are both the female spouse then there is no female spouse. Kinda like squaring a negative equals a positive.

Smt!!!

Smt!!!
X 2. Seems like Mikki aint tired of punching these fags in the mouth.All they do is get dental work and come back for more. :bored:

So I'm not just telling you that you aren't fully homosexual, I am also telling you that I'm not fully heterosexual. And just like I may have tendencies that I choose to repress or reject -- so do you.
And the truth leaks out. I am going to save this. Point you fingers at others so they don't look at you.

You may not think that homosexual marriage affects others -- but it does. Homosexuality doesn't. But homosexual marriage does. Just think about it. Do your research.

I say prove it.

Smt!!!
I tired of dis crap.Now da fool is tryin' tie the struggle of blacks to the homo issues.....muddoes sic!

I don't have to.
People see it all the time. The only person I'd have to prove it to is you -- but you live in denial so it wouldn't matter either way.Reality is you can't fnd one.
And you aren't striving for equal human rights. That's the part you can't seem to understand.
...this thread only serves to confirm that. If you were so interested in equal human rights you would fight for the rights of others that were dying. You can live without being married. But there are people dying. And your preference is to seek what's best for you. But you expect others to have a conscience while you ignore yours.

Hey get it right I did not bring GLBT to this thread but I am here now.
As for equal human rights I don't just sit here and post and talk about doing thing for other with less. I do a lot more than you would think. I don't need to look out of the Bahamas for someone to help. I don't even need to look out side of my family. I have a sister in law who can't get a job because of mental illness. She has 4 kids 2 of which have mental problems as well. She works for me or should I say she comes into my shop and does what she can. Some times its as much as a hug and off to bed(I have a home office workshop). If it was not for family helping her she and her sons would be out on the streets homeless and starving to death.
When it come to helping people
1st come my family. After family there is not much left
2nd people in the Bahamas. After other Bahamians there are only words left.
3rd the world.

Don't think you are all that, because you can talk about the problems and solutions other people have in the world. After all its only talk.

Why do I do this to myself.
-- Prove it. Actually, no he didn't. He didn't say whether one issue mattered more than the other to him. If so, that would be contradictory.
-- Oh, that's right. Her word is law.
-- George Bush kissed Joe Lieberman on the lips. Does that make him homosexual?? There are many men that have sex with other men in prison and they would say that they aren't homosexual. Its interesting that you would say that homosexuality can be seen. Ever hear the term gaydar?? Ever seen to guys and you know they are not just buddies. Because if I told you that you looked like a man -- you would deny that you were.
-- Which is the female spouse?? If they are both the female spouse then there is no female spouse. Kinda like squaring a negative equals a positive.

If they are both the male spouse then there is no male spouse. I have only removed 4 letters.
They sell scope at Publix. :footmouth

I tired of dis crap.Now da fool is tryin' tie the struggle of blacks to the homo issues.....muddoes sic!

We don't need to Coretta Scott King did.

X 2. Seems like Mikki aint tired of punching these fags in the mouth.All they do is get dental work and come back for more. :bored:

Sorry but he has not landed a blow yet.
And watch out now he saying he is Bisexual.