Did he pass around the basket for Darfur?

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Well, I am not in Darfur "even though I care". And, that is a testament to our great society. We have so little problems, that the very small problems we can deal with.

p.s.
Bush, Cheny and Rummy can do whatever the hell they want. We do not have a choice in any event.

Don't think you are all that, because you can talk about the problems and solutions other people have in the world. After all its only talk.


Tell that to the person who started the thread.

Sorry but he has not landed a blow yet.
And watch out now he saying he is Bisexual.


Umm. I don't remember saying that. Is that your dyslexia kicking in??

But truly, if it gets you to shut up and go away. I'll claim it.

I don't usually do this, but.....anyone see the interview with Toni - I mean Vicki in the Guardian? Crap!

This thread.......................
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...........has been lost in translation.

Thats unfortunate.

So what im wondering is?

When yall were down on Rawson Square worrying about what two moral, law abiding adults do in their personal lives to which has no effect on you. When the money basket went out …. Did the pastor/speaker mention any of these other things you should be worrying about?

Did he pass around the basket for Darfur


hmmm I almost miss this one....

What are YOU doing for the people in Darfur?
Warfares has been going on for years in certain parts of Africa for years...there are Christian organizations there that has been assisting with food, water and medical supplies. Grace Community Church (which Rev Major is a member of) DO pass the basket around for funding which aids these grief stricken countries such as Africa...How do I know...I was at the church at the time.
Also, Rev Major and his family members has couple ministries in the church which assist locally eg. a Prison's Ministry and a ministry for the deaf...(these are not the only ministries in the church which serve people however)
Even though a basket was not passed along specifically for Dafur at Rawson Square due to the fact that we were not focusing on them at the time, however, we know that aid does get to them and many others in Africa!!!!

I don't usually do this, but.....anyone see the interview with Toni - I mean Vicki in the Guardian? Crap!


No, not yet, which part of the paper and what's it about?

hmmm I almost miss this one....
What are YOU doing for the people in Darfur?
Warfares has been going on for years in certain parts of Africa for years...there are Christian organizations there that has been assisting with food, water and medical supplies. Grace Community Church (which Rev Major is a member of) DO pass the basket around for funding which aids these grief stricken countries such as Africa...How do I know...I was at the church at the time.
Also, Rev Major and his family members has couple ministries in the church which assist locally eg. a Prison's Ministry and a ministry for the deaf...(these are not the only ministries in the church which serve people however)
Even though a basket was not passed along specifically for Dafur at Rawson Square due to the fact that we were not focusing on them at the time, however, we know that aid does get to them and many others in Africa!!!!


Not convincing.

Africa is a continent. It is a continent of numerous countries.....many wealthy and industrialized....many poor and war torn. The problems in these countries differ like night and day. There are many "grief stricken countries such as Africa". Im talking about the countries in Africa.

Actually i was talking about more .... i was talking about dedication of resources and political will and manpower to issues of real necessity and not the mass dumbing down of the population by having them focus on what should be nonissues. But i guess you missed that?

Not convincing.
Africa is a continent. It is a continent of numerous countries.....many wealthy and industrialized....many poor and war torn. The problems in these countries differ like night and day. There are many "grief stricken countries such as Africa". Im talking about the countries in Africa.


My bad I thought I put "grief stricken countries such as in Africa", I didn't notice that I missed out the word in but if you notice I did state

"Warfares has been going on for years in certain parts of Africa for years" indicating separate parts of Africa suggesting countries in Africa.

I know Africa is a continent with different countries (I did study geo) hence the complexity of their problems but is that all that you deduce from my post? Did you not see the varies aspects where local Bahamian churches do support others? Did you miss the question I asked you...What are you doing to help Darfur?

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Are you saying striving for equal human rights is nihilistic!?! Please try again.
You say I stumble into contradictions in my arguments. Please try and prove that one.

I think ya just proved his point!

When you write "human rights" it appears like ya actually impling "my rights to be what I personally wants to be"...caring less about what the other man/woman want you to be in "their" society! In other words...you asked the wider society to adapt to you...unwilling to consider their "human rights"...to reject you if they so feel! After all, human rights goes "two" ways friend!

At first I had a small exception to the notion of liberalism equated with nihilism in his otherwise well elucidated piece, but I now see the core jist of the piece...."ya want your way"....norwithstanding the "ingrained" views of others....who have a human right to socially reject you....and are most usually adement in having it done in "their" right way!

On and on...none willing to consider the other's point of view...eventually, no view is possible...eurgo...his "conflict" dynamic!

Thus! The logical conclusion is....social nihilism...if no adaptation or compromise is forthcoming from either!!!!!! :cheers:

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I think ya just proved his point!
When you write "human rights" it appears like ya actually impling "my rights to be what I personally wants to be"...caring less about what the other man/woman want you to be in "their" society! In other words...you asked the wider society to adapt to you...unwilling to consider their "human rights"...to reject you if they so feel! After all, human rights goes "two" ways friend!
At first I had a small exception to the notion of liberalism equated with nihilism in his otherwise well elucidated piece, but I now see the core jist of the piece...."ya want your way"....norwithstanding the "ingrained" views of others....who have a human right to socially reject you....and are most usually adement in having it done in "their" right way!
On and on...none willing to consider the other's point of view...eventually, no view is possible...eurgo...his "conflict" dynamic!
Thus! The logical conclusion is....social nihilism...if no adaptation or compromise is forthcoming from either!!!!!! :cheers:


The very purpose of a Equal/Human Rights is to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy and religious or social tyranny, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials, and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights should not be submitted to vote; they should never depend on the outcome of any elections.

(language adapted for this purpose).

The rights to life, liberty and ownership are beyond politics. Freedom of press, worship and assembly are not. The freedom of assembly is overridden when martial is in effect.

Freedom is not warranted without responsibility and obligation. Without the sense of responsibility and obligation to the other members of the agreement the warranty of freedom disappears. If your obligation is selfish and not in the best interest of all parties involved -- and changing laws does qualify -- they are obligated to protect themselves and use their best line of defense.

The ballot box.

The rights to life, liberty and ownership are beyond politics. Freedom of press, worship and assembly are not. The freedom of assembly is overridden when martial is in effect.
Freedom is not warranted without responsibility and obligation. Without the sense of responsibility and obligation to the other members of the agreement the warranty of freedom disappears. If your obligation is selfish and not in the best interest of all parties involved -- and changing laws does qualify -- they are obligated to protect themselves and use their best line of defense.
The ballot box.


Selfish? According to who and in what way.

So we should open these freedoms up to voters. I think the world has just about had enough of radical muslims (as a poor example). Shall we now put to vote a referendum outlawing the building or gathering of muslims in houses of worship? Ive had enough of the christian right wings rhetoric and hate....can i now propose a vote to ban all conservative churhes and make it illegal for them to gather and preach. Where do you draw the line? WHo decides what. Just leave it to the majority of the people who cast a vote? Are we so confident in the ability of mankind to do the moral and ethical thing.

I think it better that peoples personal biases and issues be left to their personal lives and not imposed on the public at large.

Selfish? According to who and in what way.
So we should open these freedoms up to voters. I think the world has just about had enough of radical muslims (as a poor example). Shall we now put to vote a referendum outlawing the building or gathering of muslims in houses of worship? Ive had enough of the christian right wings rhetoric and hate....can i now propose a vote to ban all conservative churhes and make it illegal for them to gather and preach. Where do you draw the line? WHo decides what. Just leave it to the majority of the people who cast a vote? Are we so confident in the ability of mankind to do the moral and ethical thing.
I think it better that peoples personal biases and issues be left to their personal lives and not imposed on the public at large.


Religion is a bad example.

Radical muslims are not radical because they are muslim. Same for right wing conservativism. Religion is a comfortable excuse for radical behavior.

We can outlaw behavior. We can't outlaw belief. Radical muslims have the right to believe as they wish -- if they go beyond that then their behavior becomes a threat.

We outlaw behavior all the time. Homosexuality is sexual behavior that can be outlawed. I'm not saying that it should be, I'm just pointing out the difference between belief and behavior. And let's remember that nobody is advocating outlawing homosexual behavior. What is outlawed or not legal is homosexual marriage.

There are an array of issues surrounding homosexuality and you seem to be muddling all the issues together. The only issue up for debate is homosexual marriage. Whether homosexuality is immoral is irrelevant -- there are several moral codes that say that it is and arguing against that fact is ridiculous. But marriage is different which is why it is open to public opinion.

If you create a law that nullifies one of the basic institutions of social order then all other institutions that build and fortify our social order can be nullified. The benefits to society at large are minimal if they are even identifiable, the costs are tremendous.

I don't usually do this, but.....anyone see the interview with Toni - I mean Vicki in the Guardian? Crap!

when was it in i did not see it