You know I don't feel you ask out of a quest for knowledge but in seeking a way to lol more. So I will not bother to answer.


What do you think?

I aslked a question, if you were ok, you would answer anyways...
Right?

Well, how far have you gone Missy?
:o

Remember Nadine could not put all the info that was given here she had hours of info she met a lot of my family.


I understand this, but remember I neither the rest of the nation knows your family, we can only go by the article.


so as to the part above she also said if she was holding hands with her sister she would be seen as a lesbian by people.


You have to realize that this is not necessarily truth, I believe sisters may hold hand slightly different from lesbian lovers, but I see where she is coming from.


My wife makes it very clear that she does not have a problem with me. She has a problem with the sociaty problem with us.


I understand that she has a problem with society, however, this does not refute the fact that she maybe struggling with this gender change. Society sees ya'll as lesbians and she obviously has a problem with that EVEN though she accepts who you are, this is based on her words in the interview and it is even evident by the kids wishing Toni would dress in the privacy of the home.

I enjoyed the article it gave me more outlook of you a TG but it did not necessarily portrait you in a positive light, I understand there was limited time and space but the reader (at least to me, others may have a different view) was still left with questions.

Well based on that piece you have brought drama,fear and confusion into your family's life, although they seem to be trying to support your decision. I wonder if you've ever thought about how their day to day life is and if it was worth it. ps: People can be pretty selfish at times & only see the effect they want to see. JMO



For the first time I am agreeing with you
I didn't want to say it but based on the article "Toni" seemed selfish
Even though his family is supportive there is this shadow of doubt...like I said left the reader wanting more information....

Well based on that piece you have brought drama,fear and confusion into your family's life, although they seem to be trying to support your decision. I wonder if you've ever thought about how their day to day life is and if it was worth it. ps: People can be pretty selfish at times & only see the effect they want to see. JMO


This goes both ways. Nobody wish's this on them selves and if there was a pill I would take 2. But as all the Drs have said "there is only learning to live with it and I have to make the best decisions for my life".
Would my family be better off with out me is the question?
So I got on the train or transition(as its called) I got off at many stops. 1st stop crossdressing in privet once in a while last stop SRS(sex reassignment surgery) I have traveled this train since I was 35. I have found a stop that seems comfortable for my wife and I. I did not travel to far before my kids were adults so they could choose to go their own way and not have to bother with me. Guess what set something free when it come back you know it loves you. They are free and they have never left. Yes sometimes it hard but that is because of society not because they have an issue with me. They have been with me to Tg convention in Atlanta so they know more than you think.

For the first time I am agreeing with you
I didn't want to say it but based on the article "Toni" seemed selfish That is an opinion of someone who does not know. What my family has learned was to be them selves don't live a lie just to make others happy. Love your self first then you can really love others.
Even though his family is supportive there is this shadow of doubt...really where. like I said left the reader wanting more information....



That was the objective of the article so people would seek more info on Tg issues.

Homosexuality is a non-identity that people create that allows them to bring their sexual behavior from behind closed doors and into the public forum -- while at the same time insisting that what they do behind closed doors is nobody else's business.
Big difference.
XACTAMUNDO

That is an opinion of someone who does not know. What my family has learned was to be them selves don't live a lie just to make others happy.


An opinion can hold truth as well, remember it's an observation based on special knowledge ie the article. I am not doubting that your family does not support you or love you. The thing is your family members are not living this "lie", they seem to be doing well with their own gender. They are adapting to you and your lifestyle, so they are learning to love and accept you more. There is no human on this earth that wouldn't have a hard time doing that. They are doing alot for you.


That was the objective of the article so people would seek more info on Tg issues.


It's a two-way street, because most people would read the article and leave it as that others may not actively go seeking out more information unless they are thinking of transition as well :biggie:

Sorry missed this one

What type of question is that? What are trying to insinuated? Are you trying to say the money is not going to the needed source? It a genuine question as there are a lot of fraudlant charities and many pay off. You have no proof that the money went where it was collected for. You only have blind trust. Since you are so smart and wise why don't you jump in the basket and tell me where the money goes....
You hate to see Christians doing something well instead you have to be cynical. You really should ask yourself what is RAB doing locally and internationally to help the unfortunate. Does RAB even have a basket to pass around? Or are ya'll too busy looking for persons to fund RAB's cause??? :rolleyes:

RAB can get money as we need. We are not in this to make a big bank account. Much of what we do cost nothing anyway.

Sorry I missed this one as well
1. Gender is different than sexuality. Gender falls into male, female, and hermaphrodite. Trans-gender is not a natural gender classification. But, if you call it a gender identity -- fine. But calling it a natural categorization is laughable.If you say so Swedish=white
2. I've been saying that since we've been having these silly arguments back in '05.

I understand this, but remember I neither the rest of the nation knows your family, we can only go by the article. Want to come to dinner??
You have to realize that this is not necessarily truth, I believe sisters may hold hand slightly different from lesbian lovers, but I see where she is coming from.
I understand that she has a problem with society, however, this does not refute the fact that she maybe struggling with this gender change. Society sees ya'll as lesbians and she obviously has a problem with that EVEN though she accepts who you are, this is based on her words in the interview and it is even evident by the kids wishing Toni would dress in the privacy of the home.Well when you consider the threat of violance faced by Tgs you will understand why the kids want it to stay at home. In the beauty salon its my daughter that does my hair my sister in law used to but she is passing on some of her customers.
I enjoyed the article it gave me more outlook of you a TG but it did not necessarily portrait you in a positive light, I understand there was limited time and space but the reader (at least to me, others may have a different view) was still left with questions.

good ask your questions if you fell they are a bit personal PM me.

Sorry missed this one
It a genuine question as there are a lot of fraudlant charities and many pay off. You have no proof that the money went where it was collected for. You only have blind trust.


You are not sincere you are trying to insinuated that the money is not going where it is needed all the time and you are deliberately ignoring/detouring the fact that some churches supports the less fortunate. My whole point is that baskets are passed around for good but you choose to ignore that part :board2:

There are charities that are frauds, however, most of the time churches know which organizations and they tend to avoid them. Even the UN experience problems they send food and medicine to different countries in Africa and sometimes maybe because of poor organization the supplies don't reach the ones needing them.


RAB can get money as we need. We are not in this to make a big bank account. Much of what we do cost nothing anyway.


I'm not talking about RAB as a profit or non-profit organization. Not interested in how RAB make money. I am talking about RAB as a charity group, does RAB support the less fortunate or does RAB only care about promoting their agenda?

An opinion can hold truth as well, remember it's an observation based on special knowledge ie the article. I am not doubting that your family does not support you or love you. The thing is your family members are not living this "lie", they seem to be doing well with their own gender. They are adapting to you and your lifestyle, so they are learning to love and accept you more. There is no human on this earth that wouldn't have a hard time doing that. They are doing alot for you.
My imidate family has no problem with me its society that causes them to have a problem. If we were in a country where this was accepted there would be no problem at all. Like I said before when I told my Dad he said "oh well looks like I got 2 for the price of 1.
"It makes me very bitter simply because we have no freedom here in the Bahamas" my wifes words in the artical.
"If we go out in public and he is dressed in drag and I am holding his hand people are going to see two women holding hands and think I am a lesbian, which I am not. I married a man. I have to live with this. It is very difficult knowing that I have to deal with this. (understand this is referance to us and societyI can accept him like this. It does not change how he treats me nor our respect for each other. My biggest fear is the society and their reaction to all this."




It's a two-way street, because most people would read the article and leave it as that others may not actively go seeking out more information unless they are thinking of transition as well :biggie:

Want to come to dinner?? Well when you consider the threat of violance faced by Tgs you will understand why the kids want it to stay at home. In the beauty salon its my daughter that does my hair my sister in law used to but she is passing on some of her customers.
good ask your questions if you fell they are a bit personal PM me.


You are still missing my point but whatever :board2:

My imidate family has no problem with me its society that causes them to have a problem. If we were in a country where this was accepted there would be no problem at all. Like I said before when I told my Dad he said "oh well looks like I got 2 for the price of 1.


Still missing my point.
Whether Bahamian society accepts you or not, any role changes in your case gender changein the family will be a bit of a challegne, even if it's good or bad...that's the human dynamics.

Still missing my point.
Whether Bahamian society accepts you or not, any role changes in your case gender changein the family will be a bit of a challegne, even if it's good or bad...that's the human dynamics.

Ok thinking from your point of view that this in all of a sudden new info about one of your family members. But me transitioning is not new information for them. The change has been gradual over many years one day at a time. So the only challenge my family sees is society. A society where a man sees 2 women playing in the sea as lesbians and carries on sick. Of course he found out other wise but the point is what if it was my wife and I or she and her sister. My wife is not a lesbian and knows what homosexuals face in this country she does not want to have to deal with that. She is married to a male to female gender disphoric (transgender) human. Why can't we hold hands in public why can't we be close, loving and affectionate in public? Because we are seen a lesbians and homophobia is crazy in the Bahamas.