Ok thinking from your point of view that this in all of a sudden new info about one of your family members. But me transitioning is not new information for them. The change has been gradual over many years one day at a time. So the only challenge my family sees is society.


I didn't say sudden but anyway :fly:

Well based on that piece you have brought drama,fear and confusion into your family's life, although they seem to be trying to support your decision. I wonder if you've ever thought about how their day to day life is and if it was worth it. ps: People can be pretty selfish at times & only see the effect they want to see. JMO

His family must truly love him.That has to be one of the most selfish,torturous things they could be put through.The questions the poor woman and children mussee endure,oh Lawd!
The truly sorry thing is the image he projects is one unhappiness,thus the necessity of constantly defending his position.It is easy to read dat bahamasinmyheart is quite comfortable wit his situation.......two very different people....pushing da same agenda.

His family must truly love him.That has to be one of the most selfish,torturous things they could be put through.The questions the poor woman and children mussee endure,oh Lawd!
The truly sorry thing is the image he projects is one unhappiness,thus the necessity of constantly defending his position.It is easy to read dat bahamasinmyheart is quite comfortable wit his situation.......two very different people....pushing da same agenda.


He is not so comfortable
He seems to display a "chip" on his shoulder for white people and Christains.

He is not so comfortable
He seems to display a "chip" on his shoulder for white people and Christains.


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Now thats a lie. "Some of my best friends are white people and christians"...isnt that what the bigots always say... lol...

all jokes aside... thats a pretty stupid thing to say. I have a chip on my shoulder for ignorance and prejudice.....you find it where you find it.

It just happens to be the case that in the west the people of the majority power are whites...and hence able to exhibit and enforce the prejudice i occasionally deal with.

I'd be lying if i said i didnt feel that christian history is littered with numerous examples of them using religion as weapons of hate (crusades, slavery, racism, sexism, bigotry). But i tend to believe that its more a fault of the ignorance of mankind....of greed and hate and prejudice blinding people to the true tenents of the religion.

But just my opinion. In either case..... its 2006. And the people i see myself with arguing most on this board are black like me. Times have changed. Hate and ignorance comes in all colors. Dont assume i dont know that.

I dont particularly understand Vickies situation. Its admitedly not something i have a complete grasp of (yet). I myself dont entirely get it.....(yet but i am trying to learn). But i do get this. A lot of people dont entirely get it" about me and my "lifestyle".....and most importantly... its not my business. She's an adult. Her wife is an adult. They seem to be happy caring loving people.

They are my equals and my peers. They deserve the same freedom to live their lives that i do to live mine and you do to live yours.

That simple

all jokes aside... thats a pretty stupid thing to say. I have a chip on my shoulder for ingnorance and prejudice.....you find it where you find it.


hmmm ok Mr Perfect.


I'd be lying if i said i didnt feel that christian history isnt littered with numerous examples of them using religion as weapons of hate (crusades, slavery, racism, sexism, bigotry). But i tend to believe that its more a fault of the ignorance of mankind....of greed and hate and prejudice blinding people to the true tenents of the religion.


Is tenents even a word or did you mean tenet?
Anyway, so, if it's CLEARLY noted in the bible that x is wrong and you believe it is right...if a group of Christians points this out you would throw in their faces that they are racist, sexist and bigots blinded by "religion"?? Only because you believe x is right and the bible cleary states that x is wrong....ok :)



They are my equals and my peers. They deserve the same freedom to live their lives that i do to live mine and you do to live yours.
That simple


That seems ideal and simple but it never happens that way.

Methods of biblical interpretation:

An important source of Christian beliefs is the Bible:

* Some Protestant Christian faith groups follow two of the main slogans of the Reformation:

"sola scriptura:" Faith is to be based on the Bible alone.

"Quod non est biblicum, non est theologicum: What is not biblical is not theological.") The Bible is considered to be the Word of God.

* The Roman Catholic Church and some other denominations consider the Bible to be a main source, supplemented by their church's traditions. The Catholic Church stated at the Council of Trent that the Church is "...the divinely constituted depository and judge of both Scripture and tradition."

* Other Christian faith traditions base their beliefs on some combination of the text of the Bible; church tradition; reason, including the scientific method; and personal experience. Depending upon the particular denomination, different weighting is given to each source.


so whus interpretation of the Bible are we talking abouot? Oh thats right. WINTERS interpretation!!!!!

We should elect you Minister of Morality and Ethics.... and you can post the office with members of your church!!!!

(ps... i threw a couple mispellllled words in thier so yuo canne have sumthing else to add to yor response).

I didn't say sudden but anyway :fly:

I am saying sudden your perception of this is sudden.

"I knew before we got married that he liked to sleep in a woman's nightie sometimes and that he liked to wear lipstick. Initially I thought that it was nothing because it's behind closed doors. However each time he went away it was more seeking. We went away, we sought help from different psychiatrists and psychologists. However he explained things as we went and it progressed bit by bit until he is now dressing as a woman - daily."

Your point means nothing when I have the facts. Like I said in the article because of society if there was a pill to make this go away I would take to. Fact there is no treatment or cure there is only learning to live with.

You think I am a rare case. There is more than just me. More than just me in the Bahamas. Remember we walk in stealth among you.

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so whus interpretation of the Bible are we talking abouot? Oh thats right. WINTERS interpretation!!!!!

We should elect you Minister of Morality and Ethics.... and you can post the office with members of your church!!!!

(ps... i threw a couple mispellllled words in thier so yuo canne have sumthing else to add to yor response).


Please pray tell what is my interpretation? I notice that you have it in a mockery style so as to derail the issue at hand but that's typical of you.

So, since we are off topic why don't you explain what is my interpretation? Do I have a style? Do you have one? Do you have some advice on how to interpret the bible?

BTW, do not be so sensitive about mispelling a word, we all do that on here. I had to ask you because I had no idea what "tenents" meant, I was beginning to think you made it up just like how you tend to make up some of my sentences.

His family must truly love him.That has to be one of the most selfish,torturous things they could be put through.The questions the poor woman and children mussee endure,oh Lawd! You think Gender Dysphoria is a choice!?!
The truly sorry thing is the image he projects is one unhappiness,thus the necessity of constantly defending his position.Unhappy you don't know me at all. Uhappy was before I knew and understood. I was on a path that would selfdistruct. I was freed when I was 35 years old freed from selfhate caused by christian policy. (yeah policy). My wife was there when it purged as the Dr called it. It is easy to read dat bahamasinmyheart is quite comfortable wit his situation.......two very different people....pushing da same agenda.

I am saying sudden your perception of this is sudden.


Why are you talking about me when the article is about you and your family? I am not in your family, therefore, I do not have to deal with the gender/role changes LOL.

Please pray tell what is my interpretation? I notice that you have it in a mockery style so as to derail the issue at hand but that's typical of you.
So, since we are off topic why don't you explain what is my interpretation? Do I have a style? Do you have one? Do you have some advice on how to interpret the bible?
BTW, do not be so sensitive about mispelling a word, we all do that on here. I had to ask you because I had no idea what "tenents" meant, I was beginning to think you made it up just like how you tend to make up some of my sentences.


Winter.....*sigh*

My spelling is horrendous.....I try to run most of my postings thru spell check before i post it. But do you honestly think i care what is thought about my spelling? I mean.... its hard for words to convey emotion but right now for example.... i have a smirk on my face and im trying not to roll my eyes. I've been called a lot worse than a bad speller (heck .... even by you).

Having just wrote that i realize maybe i misread your emotions as well. So i was joking....maybe you were also.

But back to substance:

Unless im sitting in your church, in your kitchen eating a large plate of food (i prefer Souse and Red Velvet for dessert), unless i ask you to tell me, unless i am sitting in a private school, unless i seek it out..... I dont want to know or care about your interpretations. You worse than the Jehovah witnesses that come knocking on the door. At least when you politely tell them your not interested they stop trying to badger you with it....well at least for that day.

Unless i ask.... I dont want to know. And i am not asking.

Why are you talking about me when the article is about you and your family? I am not in your family, therefore, I do not have to deal with the gender/role changes LOL.

I must not be getting it across. let me try this. I am not trying to be insulting just want to try and help you understand ok.

You have no preception of the time line and what we (as a family) did in that time line. We are talking 18 years here. Transition starts with understanding. We are talking seeing and talking with Drs and councelers here and abroad. Yes the artical says I started transition 4 years ago but she got that wrong. 4 years ago I started the part of transition that would lead toward living female full time. I have not owned male clothes in ten years. I waited for my kids to become adults about 12 years ago before actualy starting thats 6 years after we told them. I have done my bit for Queen and country so to say.
I am what I am
And what I am needs no excuses
I deal my own deck
Sometimes the aces sometimes the deuces
It’s one life and there’s no return and no deposit

I am Gender Dysphoric and I live with that. It does not mean I am a crimanal, It does not mean I do not do my best by my family, It does not mean I don't contribute to society, It just means I am a human being that is different than most.

Winter.....*sigh*
My spelling is horrendous.....I try to run most of my postings thru spell check before i post it. But do you honestly think i care what is thought about my spelling? I mean.... its hard for words to convey emotion but right now for example.... i have a smirk on my face and im trying not to roll my eyes. I've been called a lot worse than a bad speller (heck .... even by you).
Having just wrote that i realize maybe i misread your emotions as well. So i was joking....maybe you were also.


I was joking as well, but if you didn't care why did you mention it in your first post?


But back to substance:
Unless im sitting in your church, in your kitchen eating a large plate of food (i prefer Souse and Red Velvet for dessert), unless i ask you to tell me, unless i am sitting in a private school, unless i seek it out..... I dont want to know or care about your interpretations. You worse than the Jehovah witnesses that come knocking on the door. At least when you politely tell them your not interested they stop trying to badger you with it....well at least for that day.
Unless i ask.... I dont want to know. And i am not asking.


hmmm so why are you insinuating that something must be wrong with the way I interpret? Why did you mention my interpretations if you don't care? :liar: I was not the one who posted "Methods of biblical interpretation" LOL it was you remember...now it seems like you are comparing me to Jehovah Witnesses...are you ok? You don't know what you saying hey!!!

I must not be getting it across. let me try this. I am not trying to be insulting just want to try and help you understand ok.
You have no preception of the time line and what we (as a family) did in that time line. We are talking 18 years here. Transition starts with understanding. We are talking seeing and talking with Drs and councelers here and abroad. Yes the artical says I started transition 4 years ago but she got that wrong. 4 years ago I started the part of transition that would lead toward living female full time. I have not owned male clothes in ten years. I waited for my kids to become adults about 12 years ago before actualy starting thats 6 years after we told them. I have done my bit for Queen and country so to say.
I am what I am
And what I am needs no excuses
I deal my own deck
Sometimes the aces sometimes the deuces
It’s one life and there’s no return and no deposit
I am Gender Dysphoric and I live with that. It does not mean I am a crimanal, It does not mean I do not do my best by my family, It does not mean I don't contribute to society, It just means I am a human being that is different than most.


Whatever, timeline it is in, my whole point is that it's a challegne for you and your family. It's stressful plain and simple, whether the society accepts you or not. Whether it was a slow change or sudden change. Dynamics of a changing family will always be the same because we are all humans.

I was joking as well, but if you didn't care why did you mention it in your first post?
hmmm so why are you insinuating that something must be wrong with the way I interpret? Why did you mention my interpretations if you don't care? :liar: I was not the one who posted "Methods of biblical interpretation" LOL it was you remember...now it seems like you are comparing me to Jehovah Witnesses...are you ok? You don't know what you saying hey!!!


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