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adidasboi987 10-06-06, - 03:26 PM I said site the law my dear..not an employment manual of conduct for civil servants. And if there was a breach in the employment handbook, it was a breach by a public service officer, not the Bahama Journal.
Now I'll ask again, this time s-l-o-w-e-r..lol..site the LAW PLEASE..you said it is illegal;)
LOL
de redhead 10-06-06, - 04:17 PM GO GET THE PUBLIC SERVICE MANUAL OF CONDUCT.
I have mine right here in front of me.
:D
Ya wrong, and admit ya wrong!
Once it has not been given special permission to be published by the authorities. i.e. The Director, PS, and or Government Printing, IT CAN NOT, be considered official.
And if it is Published...errr... LEAKED prematurely, the persons responsible MUST be held accountable.
I am liking that word in bold already!
Ready to serve what again??
:o
You may be right that leaking official documents is illegal. The Journal may even be forced to divulge who provided them with the report. What The Journal did was not illegal however and their actions do not amount to corruption unless they broke in and stole the report.
de redhead 10-06-06, - 04:21 PM I said site the law my dear..not an employment manual of conduct for civil servants. And if there was a breach in the employment handbook, it was a breach by a public service officer, not the Bahama Journal.
Now I'll ask again, this time s-l-o-w-e-r..lol..site the LAW PLEASE..you said it is illegal;)
It is illegal. When you pass official confidential information that belongs to your employer that is considered stealing by reason of employment.
nationbuilder 10-06-06, - 04:21 PM Nah they didnt break in and steal it..it was provided to them. So if National Security is pissed, they need to get pissed with someone in their ranks - not the Bahama Journal.
And with regard to stealing in the workplace - who said the person stole anything? Remember now, you dont know WHO THE PERSON WAS who gave them the report. You are assuming its a subordinate. You shouldnt make such an assumption.
de redhead 10-06-06, - 04:23 PM Nah they didnt break in and steal it..it was provided to them. So if National Security is pissed, they need to get pissed with someone in their ranks - not the Bahama Journal.
And with regard to stealing in the workplace - who said the person stole anything? Remember now, you dont know WHO THE PERSON WAS who gave them the report. You are assuming its a subordinate. You shouldnt make such an assumption.
whoever it was.
nationbuilder 10-06-06, - 04:24 PM Even if it was a Minister of the government?
de redhead 10-06-06, - 05:45 PM Even if it was a Minister of the government?
Even if it was a Minister. A Cabinet Minister does not own the documents which are generated during his or her tenure. They belong to us and only through the proper channels should they be diseminated. I wonder how you felt about when Bradley Roberts used to be able to get his hands on confidential documents all the time and produce them in Parliament.
Alien 10-06-06, - 05:46 PM I said site the law my dear..not an employment manual of conduct for civil servants. And if there was a breach in the employment handbook, it was a breach by a public service officer, not the Bahama Journal.
Now I'll ask again, this time s-l-o-w-e-r..lol..site the LAW PLEASE..you said it is illegal;)
So breaking your contract IS legal?
I say again, the law was broken and the people that leaked the information should be held accountable.
Government is the law...
So, I say again, IN BOLD RED CAP'S...Leaking government information, that has not been published is punishable by law.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that??
When you work for Government, you take an oath among other things. That oath covers your every step you take. Working for Government is not working for Bamboo Chicken shack. You are privileged to classified documents. Leaking those documents IS punishable.
So nationbuilder, "Mrs. Quote the Law Please"...do you think, and seriously now, that it would be LEGAL and LAWFUL to shoot around Government information at whim?
You can not possibly be serious!?
:biggie:
nationbuilder 10-06-06, - 05:49 PM Even if it was a Minister. A Cabinet Minister does not own the documents which are generated during his or her tenure. They belong to us and only through the proper channels should they be diseminated.
Atleast you accept that they belong to US - keyword here is US, not the government. And if it belongs to US, a government has no right withholding it from us.
I wonder how you felt about when Bradley Roberts used to be able to get his hands on confidential documents all the time and produce them in Parliament.
lol..well if he is producing them in parliament whats the big deal? And if the media is reporting them whats the big deal - so long as what belongs to US is communicated to US.
nationbuilder 10-06-06, - 05:51 PM So breaking your contract IS legal?
I say again, the law was broken and the people that leaked the information should be held accountable.
Government is the law...
So, I say again, IN BOLD RED CAP'S...Leaking government information, that has not been published is punishable by law.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that??
When you work for Government, you take an oath among other things. That oath covers your every step you take. Working for Government is not working for Bamboo Chicken shack. You are privileged to classified documents. Leaking those documents IS punishable.
So nationbuilder, "Mrs. Quote the Law Please"...do you think, and seriously now, that it would be LEGAL and LAWFUL to shoot around Government information at whim?
You can not possibly be serious!?
:biggie:
Ok, so you cannot state the law. Nor can you explain why the Ministry of National Security has chosen to be in collusion with lawbreakers in its ranks by not launching an investigation into who broke the law and leaked the info.
Thanks for sharing.
And as I asked rehead..what if you found out the person who gave the info was a government minister? Would you then call for his/her immediate arrest?
If it wasnt classified but just wasnt released yet .. then it cant be illegal.
So they'd first have to prove that it was classified under the law. ..
Ofcourse the leaker can still get fired though ... and as the government has more money than the journal (do they?) they could easily take the journel to court ... but is that worth it ..? Its the citizens money and the citizens wanted to hear the report ... once we arent living under a communist government I think the citizens still have a say in what the government does ... or do we ..?
nationbuilder 10-06-06, - 05:55 PM If it wasnt classified but just wasnt released yet .. then it cant be illegal.
So they'd first have to prove that it was classified under the law. ..
Thank you much Rory. Like I said before, let the Ministry fire the person..although in this case it CANT fire the person.
And the document was NOT classified..as even the PM said several weeks ago there was NO REASON FOR THE REPORT NOT TO BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC.
Alien 10-06-06, - 06:00 PM Ok, so you cannot state the law. Nor can you explain why the Ministry of National Security has chosen to be in collusion with lawbreakers in its ranks by not launching an investigation into who broke the law and leaked the info.
I do not have a law book with me, but, I quoted the code of conduct for a Bahamian Public Servant. That serves as what is lawful and legal.
Because, they would not know who or what to prosecute if it crawled up thier tail ends and bit them.
Thanks for sharing.
And as I asked rehead..what if you found out the person who gave the info was a government minister? Would you then call for his/her immediate arrest?
Simple. He would be under the same code of conduct that anyone else would be!
Do you know of a Minister who leaked Govt. Info?
Technically, it is not illegal for a Minister or PS to discuss policy of the Government branch. Get it square now nationbuilder...get it square.
Unless, it is deemed a matter of National Security (I would imagine) and/or classified. A Minister of any said branch of Government, is free to talk about anything under his jurisdiction.
That is like asking if whether or not, your father has the right to discuss the bills in his own house.
nationbuilder 10-06-06, - 06:05 PM So breaking your contract IS legal?
Tell me something y2k. If you sign a contract with your employer that you will not use the phone to make personal calls, and you do anyway..what law have you broken?
If your contract says you must not come to work late, and you keep coming late, which law of the commonwealth of the Bahamas have you broken?
Breaching your contract with your employer doesnt necessarily translate into breaking the law unless what you did is illegal according to the laws of the commonwealth of the Bahamas
Government is the law...
Oh my Lord..did you say your brother is Castro??? The GOVERNMENT IS THE LAW? My brother, I dont believe you are ignorant...so you should know that the LAW is the LAW, and the government is bound to obey the LAW. The government is not a law unto themselves in a democracy!!!!
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