What was today, or if you are reading this later, 13th October, to you? Was it Discovery Day or Nation Hero’s Day? Why?

There is no wrong answer here. I just want to know what you think!

I think that Nation Hero’s Day makes more sense because how can someone discover a land that is already inhabited by people? :rolleyes:

I think that Nation Hero’s Day makes more sense because how can someone discover a land that is already inhabited by people? :rolleyes:You are right Delroy. But now I fear I am going to offend you. I apology in advance but what we seek here is the truth. There is a maxim in Western History and it goes like this, "Nothing is found or discovered until a white Christian finds, or discovers it" By the way, I do not subscribe to that - even if I am a white person.

There were peoples here - no doubt wonderful people who lived and loved as we do. Who cried and laughed as we do. They loved the land, as we do. They worshiped their gods with the same vigor that we do ours. They were a people that, if we were to meet them, we would have probably liked and respected. They had a culture but they were not white or Christian. Therefore, they were "legal" food for the greed of the Spanish. All the peoples on this side of the world were chewed up and spat out simply because there were not white, or Christian. It is an everlasting shame to those of the faith, and the white race, that this happened.

I think that today October 13, should be put aside as a day when we honor and celebrate the lives of those original Bahamians that were so ill-used. It is time we paid them the honor they deserve. They were Bahamians in a way that none of us can be. Unfortunately, they can't vote so I doubt the politicians of the day would go for it. But right is right!

That is my thought. I hope others will post here and give their opinions. As I said, there are no wrong answers.

You are right Delroy. But now I fear I am going to offend you. I apology in advance but what we seek here is the truth. There is a maxim in Western History and it goes like this, "Nothing is found or discovered until a white Christian finds, or discovers it" By the way, I do not subscribe to that - even if I am a white person.

There were peoples here - no doubt wonderful people who lived and loved as we do. They loved the land, as we do. They worshiped their gods with the same vigor that we do ours. They were a people that, if we were to meet them, we would have probably liked and respected. They had a culture but they were not white or Christian. Therefore, they were "legal" food for the greed of the Spanish. All the peoples on this side of the world were chewed up and spat out simply because there were not white, or Christian. It is an everlasting shame to those of the faith, and the white race, that this happened.

I think that today October 13, should be put aside as a day when we honor and celebrate the lives of those original Bahamians that were so ill-used. It is time we paid them the honor they deserve. They were Bahamians in a way that none of us can be. Unfortunately, they can't vote so I doubt the politicians of the day would go for it. But right is right!

That is my thought. I hope others will post here and give their opinions. As I said, there are no wrong answers.

Not offensive at all CG.
In-fact; you are correct in allot of ways. Their is proof today that many expeditions (one in particular from Africa) made it here hundreds of years before Columbus or Leif Ericsson.

Those were the dark ages when Kings and Rulers made themselves out to be God and seeked all the glory for themselves.

Reminds me of this age :rolleyes:

its was a day to sleep in late and do nothing! :-))

(ok i know, i sleep late everyday!)

Not offensive at all CG.
In-fact; you are correct in allot of ways. Their is proof today that many expeditions (one in particular from Africa) made it here hundreds of years before Columbus or Leif Ericsson.

Those were the dark ages when Kings and Rulers made themselves out to be God and seeked all the glory for themselves.

Reminds me of this age :rolleyes:
Thank you Delroy.

Many years ago I saw some round stone heads in Central, or was it South America, I can’t remember. They were about the size of a Volkswagen (the old ones.) They were very old indeed predating 1492. They had the broad nose and heavy lips of a member of the Negroid race. I remember crying out, "That is the face of a Black man!" I was admonished, "No! No! They have just weather like that."

Off the coast of California there have been found old anchors (pre-1492) in the design used by the Chinese.

As for Lief Erickson - there can be little doubt. But as I said, "Nothing is discovered........"

So who "found" us? Were we ever "lost?"

You said, "Those were the dark ages when Kings and Rulers made themselves out to be God and seeked all the glory for themselves. Reminds me of this age."

Right on! There is the "danger" in religion that we mistake our wallet’s voice for the voice of God.

its was a day to sleep in late and do nothing! :-))

(ok i know, i sleep late everyday!)Love it Rory!

You remind me of the story of the American kid who, when asked what President’s Day was answered, "That is the day that the Presidents fought so we could buy sheets and pillow cases at half price." :) :) :)

Thank you Delroy.

Many years ago I saw some round stone heads in Central, or was it South America, I can’t remember. They were about the size of a Volkswagen (the old ones.) They were very old indeed predating 1492. They had the broad nose and heavy lips of a member of the Negroid race. I remember crying out, "That is the face of a Black man!" I was admonished, "No! No! They have just weather like that."

Off the coast of California there have been found old anchors (pre-1492) in the design used by the Chinese.
Let us not forget the underwater roads off the coast of Bimini that some say dates back thousands.

Let us not forget the underwater roads off the coast of Bimini that some say dates back thousands.
Right you are. The clues are all over the place - if we have the wit to see them and interpret them correctly and without prejudice.

You guys are being silly. Surely you don't think that you know more about archaeology than the entire archaeology society? No one I have ever heard of thinks that Africans came here a long time ago and indeed, it is damn near impossible, considering Africans have never had the technology to do so.

You guys are being silly. Surely you don't think that you know more about archaeology than the entire archaeology society? No one I have ever heard of thinks that Africans came here a long time ago and indeed, it is damn near impossible, considering Africans have never had the technology to do so.Silly? Yes, I have been accused of that before. However, in this case I can tell you that I have been on Archaeological "digs" in C. America, England and Africa. I have a few friends in the "business" and we have talked about the things I mentioned in the previous posts - some doubt it, others think it is a real possibility - few have the gall to call it "silly."

It is not impossible that Africans could have made it to the New World. Some of the large boats used in Egypt could have made it. Many of the smaller boats, from other coastal parts Africa, could have as well. Some may have been blown off-corse by storms or maybe they set out on purpose, just to see what was over the next horizon.

Archaeology is taking a new, hard look at popular beliefs. Each day new things are being found that shines a different light on our past. This is an exciting time, if we keep our minds open! (and are willing to learn.)

Check this out! http://www.mtholyoke.edu/offices/comm/csj/960216/mcmen.html

Have you ever heard about a man named Thor Heyerdahl? He is Norwegian. In the 70th he and his crew built a boat solely from Papyrus and called it RA I (after the Egyyptian Sungod) and tried to cross the Atlantic Ocean to proof, that the Egytptian people some thousand years ago already crossed the Atlantic Ocean. He failed the first time, the "boat" sank. He built the RA II and tried it again, this time he was successful. Absolutely identic boats built from similar material (Papyrus = aquatic plant) were found in Mexico and Peru. Mr. Heyerdahl proofed that people thousands of years ago already crossed the Atlantic Ocean. You can see the original RA II in Oslo, Norway in the Thor Heyerdahl-Museum, I've been there and seen it, the technology is terrific.
He also - before building the RA I and II - built a raft, named it "KONTIKI" and "sailed" successfully to Polynesia from Norway, that's some 8000 miles away, again to proof that Europeans and Africans crossed not only the Atlantic, but also the Pacific Ocean. In the year 813 A.C. the Viking Erik the Red crossed the Atlantik and sailed to now Canada, they were the first European Settlers in Canada and killed, of course, the Indians there.
Nevertheless, I doubt, that natives from the West Coast in Africa were able at that time to build any kind of boats, that were able to cross the Atlantic, they were far too busy to fight other tribes, just like nowadays. Only highly developed cultures like the Egyptians, Persians, Inkas, Greeks and not to forget the Chinese were able in those days to develop boats to that perfection.









Silly? Yes, I have been accused of that before. However, in this case I can tell you that I have been on Archaeological "digs" in C. America, England and Africa. I have a few friends in the "business" and we have talked about the things I mentioned in the previous posts - some doubt it, others think it is a real possibility - few have the gall to call it "silly."

It is not impossible that Africans could have made it to the New World. Some of the large boats used in Egypt could have made it. Many of the smaller boats, from other coastal parts Africa, could have as well. Some may have been blown off-corse by storms or maybe they set out on purpose, just to see what was over the next horizon.

Archaeology is taking a new, hard look at popular beliefs. Each day new things are being found that shines a different light on our past. This is an exciting time, if we keep our minds open! (and are willing to learn.)

Check this out! http://www.mtholyoke.edu/offices/comm/csj/960216/mcmen.html

Have you ever heard about a man named Thor Heyerdahl? He is Norwegian. In the 70th he and his crew built a boat solely from Papyrus and called it RA I (after the Egyyptian Sungod) and tried to cross the Atlantic Ocean to proof, that the Egytptian people some thousand years ago already crossed the Atlantic Ocean. He failed the first time, the "boat" sank. He built the RA II and tried it again, this time he was successful. Absolutely identic boats built from similar material (Papyrus = aquatic plant) were found in Mexico and Peru. Mr. Heyerdahl proofed that people thousands of years ago already crossed the Atlantic Ocean. You can see the original RA II in Oslo, Norway in the Thor Heyerdahl-Museum, I've been there and seen it, the technology is terrific.
He also - before building the RA I and II - built a raft, named it "KONTIKI" and "sailed" successfully to Polynesia from Norway, that's some 8000 miles away, again to proof that Europeans and Africans crossed not only the Atlantic, but also the Pacific Ocean. In the year 813 A.C. the Viking Erik the Red crossed the Atlantik and sailed to now Canada, they were the first European Settlers in Canada and killed, of course, the Indians there.
Nevertheless, I doubt, that natives from the West Coast in Africa were able at that time to build any kind of boats, that were able to cross the Atlantic, they were far too busy to fight other tribes, just like nowadays. Only highly developed cultures like the Egyptians, Persians, Inkas, Greeks and not to forget the Chinese were able in those days to develop boats to that perfection.Yes, I have heard of Thor Heyerdahl. I read his book while I was still in school. Thank you for reminding me. For those who want to see how small the boat he used was check out this site.

http://www.greatdreams.com/thor.htm


As for the Africans always fighting. Well, no more that anyone else!
While you are at the above site scroll down to the RA Expeditions 1969-70. (For those who still doubt it) Please read it and let me know if you still think it is unlikely that African boats could have made it to the West.

:) Thank you very much for this link. I enjoyed reading not only Thor Heyerdahl's site which brought back wonderful memories of the time when I was travelling around the world, but also other interesting sites, which are very educational.





Yes, I have heard of Thor Heyerdahl. I read his book while I was still in school. Thank you for reminding me. For those who want to see how small the boat he used was check out this site.

http://www.greatdreams.com/thor.htm


As for the Africans always fighting. Well, no more that anyone else!
While you are at the above site scroll down to the RA Expeditions 1969-70. (For those who still doubt it) Please read it and let me know if you still think it is unlikely that African boats could have made it to the West.