Do you believe that unbelievers should pay tithes?
If you do, Why?

Yes!

All should give to God what is His.

Do you believe that unbeliever should pay tithes?
If you do, Why?
First of all, tithes are "payed" through, or in, the church. If one is an unbeliever, it is doubtful one goes to church in the first place.

I see it like this. The tithe is duty of the believer. There are blessing attached to the tithe. It would be foolish to pay a tithe if you did not believe. However, should an unbeliever find himself in church (for whatever reason) he is duty bound to put something in the plate. However, this is not the tithe.

First of all, tithes are "payed" through, or in, the church. If one is an unbeliever, it is doubtful one goes to church in the first place.

I see it like this. The tithe is duty of the believer. There are blessing attached to the tithe. It would be foolish to pay a tithe if you did not believe. However, should an unbeliever find himself in church (for whatever reason) he is duty bound to put something in the plate. However, this is not the tithe.

I totally agree.

First of all, tithes are "payed" through, or in, the church. If one is an unbeliever, it is doubtful one goes to church in the first place.

I see it like this. The tithe is duty of the believer. There are blessing attached to the tithe. It would be foolish to pay a tithe if you did not believe. However, should an unbeliever find himself in church (for whatever reason) he is duty bound to put something in the plate. However, this is not the tithe.
Blessings are attached in everyones' case (not just a believer).
God rains upon the just and the unjust.

I totally agree.
Thank you, shavornes. May I ask, what prompted you to ask the question?

Blessings are attached in everyones' case (not just a believer).
God rains upon the just and the unjust.
I agree, God does rains upon the just and the unjust. Or one could say that nature does not discriminate!

But if one does not believe, how, or where does he pay that tithe? As I see it, a tithe must be pay thought the church. Now, if you are talking about paying alms to the poor etc. Then that is another thing.

What do you mean by tithes?

I agree, God does rains upon the just and the unjust. Or one could say that nature does not discriminate!

But if one does not believe, how, or where does he pay that tithe? As I see it, a tithe must be pay thought the church. Now, if you are talking about paying alms to the poor etc. Then that is another thing.

What do you mean by tithes?
I know the difference between tithes and alms.
There are many unbelievers who have committed themselves to a church for many reasons (most of them for political and social reasons).
It happens everyday in this country. What I am saying is that they should give to God what is His, even if they don't believe. If they choose not to then that is their rights.

I know the difference between tithes and alms.
There are many unbelievers who have committed themselves to a church for many reasons (most of them for political and social reasons).
It happens everyday in this country. What I am saying is that they should give to God what is His, even if they don't believe. If they choose not to then that is their rights.
"I know the difference between tithes and alms." I never doubted that!

As for the rest of your posting. I agree, in part. But if one is in a church for the reasons you stated he is not really in the church!

"I know the difference between tithes and alms." I never doubted that!

As for the rest of your posting. I agree, in part. But if one is in a church for the reasons you stated he is not really in the church!
Have you ever heard the verse "Why do the wicked prosper".
The truth is that you don't have to be apart of a church to pay tithes.
There is no designated church to receive tithes also though most believers choose to only pay their tithes to a home church.

Thank you, shavornes. May I ask, what prompted you to ask the question?


CG, I am so sick and tired of Pastors taking advantage of people. Scaring them into giving to satisfy their wants. I feel like the church has lost their focus.

If I go to a next church that takes 2 hours to collect offering/tithes I will SCREAM!
By tithing I mean giving 10%. I feel that the church should try to reached unbeliever before they tried to suck them into giving tithes. I tell you this, most people don't even know why they give tithes and I think that is a topic that the church need to discuss more.

Have you ever notice how some Pastors lives beyond means and church members can't even pay their rent. Just an observation.

CG, I am so sick and tired of Pastors taking advantage of people. Scaring them into giving to satisfy their wants. I feel like the church has lost their focus.

If I go to a next church that takes 2 hours to collect offering/tithes I will SCREAM!
By tithing I mean giving 10%. I feel that the church should try to reached unbeliever before they tried to suck them into giving tithes. I tell you this, most people don't even know why they give tithes and I think that is a topic that church need to discuss more.

Have you ever notice how some Pastors lives beyond means and church members can't even pay their rent. Just an observation.
I agree with you shavornes but that's a diffierent issue.

Have you ever heard the verse "Why do the wicked prosper".
The truth is that you don't have to be apart of a church to pay tithes.
There is no designated church to receive tithes also though most believers choose to only pay their tithes to a home church.
I doubt the wicked prosper because they paid tithes. (Most wicked people have no time for church.) It would be a strange God indeed that said. "Pay me, and I will give you wealth no matter if you are good or evil!"

The wicked prosper because they prosper! That is it! They are not bound by the "rules" we follow so they do things that we would not. That is why they prosper. It has nothing to do with God - in fact I am sure their actions displease God.

CG, I am so sick and tired of Pastors taking advantage of people. Scaring them into giving to satisfy their wants. I feel like the church has lost their focus.

If I go to a next church that takes 2 hours to collect offering/tithes I will SCREAM!
By tithing I mean giving 10%. I feel that the church should try to reached unbeliever before they tried to suck them into giving tithes. I tell you this, most people don't even know why they give tithes and I think that is a topic that the church need to discuss more.

Have you ever notice how some Pastors lives beyond means and church members can't even pay their rent. Just an observation.shavornes, I hear you! It is sad indeed that many Pastors (not all, thank God) have lost the message in the money!

I hope that you have read some of my other posting. I am not a Christian, I am a Buddhist but I hold a great respect for the followers of the Christ. There are many true, Christian, followers here in these islands. There are many Pastors who follow the Christ in a true form as well. I would advise you to keep seeking. In time you will find a church that IS what it should be. In may take time, but is worth the effort.

I doubt the wicked prosper because they paid tithes. (Most wicked people have no time for church.) It would be a strange God indeed that said. "Pay me, and I will give you wealth no matter if you are good or evil!"

The wicked prosper because they prosper! That is it! They are not bound by the "rules" we follow so they do things that we would not. That is why they prosper. It has nothing to do with God - in fact I am sure their actions displease God.
I doubted it also until I saw it for myself.

The formula to remove the curse that is placed upon money is to pay tithes and offerings to God (bound by the "rules" or not). It is a promise from God to everyone who follows it that if they do so He will remove that curse: read Malachi 3:7-10.

God doesn't like allot of things evil people do but He is bound by His word.