Well, teach them, train them how to distinguish. I am sure they are willing to learn. Like NB said it is a vital key and our "experts" should be equipped with this discernment. Don't you think?



LOL....
:D

In fact, is is for the experts to train and look into this matter, from a Bahamian perspective. you are right. But, doing it the way we have been doing it, does not cut the mustard. The way we are looking at it, and the way the Minister is looking at it, does not give full protection to the innocent's.
Whether she dressed like a harlot, or not. Children under 18 deserve protection from nasty sick sex freaks. Peadophilic or not.
:tup:

Fact is, in order to undertake such a campaign, deserves real psycho-analysts and sociologists. I am far from it, but I do know sense when I see it; and the sense is telling me, that we are being lazy in even attempting to categorize true perverts from idiots who deserve to do time for sleeping with a minor.

That is what girls do that is what they are ment to do. I attract a mate. No matter what you say attracrion starts vuisualy A mistake is one thing but one has to ask who in making the mistake? Or the man/woman who will have sex with a stranger
So you are telling me that a parent that condones a daughters provocative dressing at the young ages of 12 thru 17 is OK? If that girl gets big up or molested, her showing a lot of skin would have no bearing on that? Decency starts at home,good girls.........look like good girls,so they mayn't be mistaken for bad girls.I een suggesting girls need to be all button up like Nuns,but dressing like tramps,gives the wrong impression to the men among us that are dogs.Like everything else in life u een lookin for trouble...you are less likely to find it.:walk:

Fact is, in order to undertake such a campaign, deserves real psycho-analysts and sociologists. I am far from it, but I do know sense when I see it; and the sense is telling me, that we are being lazy in even attempting to categorize true perverts from idiots who deserve to do time for sleeping with a minor.


So, what exactly is your point? This isn't sorely about you 'cause I am getting this feeling you think it is. It's about professional persons in the community, the social workers, the doctors, nurses, and professionals at the Crisis Centre doing the assessment. If we are lacking in this area we should organize a training session/courses to improve, that's simple.

So, what exactly is your point?
My point is, we have to engage in looking for findings, instead of rationalizing two seperate concepts that have evolved way past their first principles.

This isn't sorely about you 'cause I am getting this feeling you think it is.
What!?!?
You did ask me a question!?!?
Or were you talking to someone else!?

It's about professional persons in the community, the social workers, the doctors, nurses, and professionals at the Crisis Centre doing the assessment.
I was a Social Worker for that matter. But, that is still not the total issue. To follow that vein, TAKING CARE OF THE BAHAMAS AND IT'S HUMAN RESOURCES IS A JOB FOR ALL BAHAMIANS.
Nevertheless, the total issue is, getting the top intelectual brass to understand, that they need to define a boundary on such behavior; in relation to the Bahamian society. They have the vested power, not the vested right to be sole authority.
It is not training specific, it is about defining the rules.

If we are lacking in this area we should organize a training session/courses to improve, that's simple.

Like I said before, it is not about training; it is about defining the rules first and foremost.
We have no guidlines to what is acceptable, in Bahamian terms, to what is not. We follow roughly, what our American and British counter parts tell us we should follow in terms of morality and what is right.
Training does not solve the problem, hashing out moral guidlenes do.

You can not train, if you do not know the rules under which you are training for; and training to understand how to operate.

My point is, we have to engage in looking for findings, instead of rationalizing two seperate concepts that have evolved way past their first principles.


How can you look for something without clearly defining it? Being a Social Worker you would understand the importance of seeking the difference between a pedophiles and a man who gets a kick with being with young girls. By doing this hopefully you will be able to solve the problem.

In addition, you "implied" that "the girls" at the Crisis Centre may not be "trained" to handle these situations such as pedophiles. I feel as though one of the major social networks in The Bahamas, they should be train to deal with these cases. Identifying the problem is just as vital as solving the problem....basic math.

How can you look for something without clearly defining it?
You have intuition or hunches. You can define anything, without looking for it.
How can you define something, you do not know!
You do have intuition, and a moral compass on what is right; and what is not right for society. Little girls being raped, is not right for a society.
That much I know!
To the extent, perverts and idiots are persecuted and prosecuted, needs to be fully explored to the Bahamian experience. Or esle, we will be forever rambling on like some of us; about tangential issues, that run in circles.
We need to define the guidline. We need to set out, in defining the guidline.
Bahamian ethics!?!?


Being a Social Worker you would understand the importance of seeking the difference between a pedophiles and a man who gets a kick with being with young girls.
Of course I do. Now THAT is what you need trainiung for, and THAT is where out trained professionals "willing to make the case to the officials, that this is a guidline that must be adhered to", need to star "looking" into this issue; that has been spun and re-done a million times over, with no justice for the victim or innocent.
With all of that being said, true serious study has not been taken serious. We have not faccilitated it, and it is long overdue.

By doing this hopefully you will be able to solve the problem.
There is a saying, "you can not save the world"...
This effort, takes all of us. Semi professionals, lay people with the true profesionals giving proper guidance. True guidance is not being given. Hence, we have good hearted people, on the front line, with no amunition to fight the good fight, nor any cover from the top and support from the bottom; for various reasons.

In addition, you "implied" that "the girls" at the Crisis Centre may not be "trained" to handle these situations such as pedophiles.
Np. I did "NOT" say that. Niether was it implied, implied is like saying; I know you did not say it, but i will make it up to what you say because this is what I know you were telling me.
There is no basis for starting out with "implies" and then drawing your conclusion from what you "imagined" or for what you "hoped" was said.
:)

I feel as though one of the major social networks in The Bahamas, they should be train to deal with these cases. Identifying the problem is just as vital as solving the problem....basic math.

Well, you heard the Minister, you figure it out.
:voodoo:
She is supposed to be giving guidance ,and, supposed to be spoon fed by her trained profesionals and top brass. Sadly, what goes in must come out, and what came out was what came in. Lackadazical, un-motivated attempt to even try to wrap your mind around a complex issue; at least, think about it as complex and not give us the same ol'e same ol'e.
:cutie:
Fact is, as sad as it is true, Social Worker's are overwhelmed. Dealing with problems, in a society so small, that should NOT be.
Dealing with mental hypochondriacs is a serious thing; as well as virtually, living life for the people. I am digressing, but, it is serious; and when you work from that new ground, the matter becomes alot more complicated, as well as dealing with it efficiently, not as challenging or rewarding, as making a few bold statements, having a little rally for the kids or going on love97 saying how the internet is screwing up our kids.
:sarcastic

Social issues in this country, need the guidance from the top. We have not gottne that ever.
Along with, and this can be said for the entire Public Service, complete re-haul of the methodological principles "if there ever was any" of the way we do things.

Of course I do. Now THAT is what you need trainiung for,


This half sentence reveals that you caught my point, the rest of that stuff is irrelevant because it was extremely off track. I think you like seeing yourself type :sarcastic

So you are telling me that a parent that condones a daughters provocative dressing at the young ages of 12 thru 17 is OK? If that girl gets big up or molested, her showing a lot of skin would have no bearing on that? Decency starts at home,good girls.........look like good girls,so they mayn't be mistaken for bad girls.I een suggesting girls need to be all button up like Nuns,but dressing like tramps,gives the wrong impression to the men among us that are dogs.Like everything else in life u een lookin for trouble...you are less likely to find it.:walk:
Concerning the provocative dressing of adolescent girls; Every point here is correct. Young girls need to be careful of the image they present in a public arena that may harbor dangerous men.:hammer:

This half sentence reveals that you caught my point, the rest of that stuff is irrelevant because it was extremely off track. I think you like seeing yourself type :sarcastic


Because you can not grasp what it is which is true. In fact, you think about it to simple, at best. You would need one of your site friends, to tell you it is sense, before you even look past your own prejudice. Well, what I am talking about is serious, and quite frankly, if you can not understand, then you should not even look to call anyone at fault for slip-shod administration.
Fact is, the small people, need the big people to put true measured guidlines into the arena.
We have no standard, and most of the time, justice is left up to the un-just....because, the people who are getting the big bucks, to get some of the most simple things right, are so myopic, first of all, second, they do not have the will power or the moral courage, to see anything decent through, because they are afraid of hard work.

I am sorry,you have to be left out on this one...because, if you can not get it, you have to be left. You have to be on track, notice is anything got off track.
Fact is, the intellectual leadership, is that in name only. They are from our "old school", therefore are stuck in a bounded rationality. They can only see what their mind has allowed them to see, not to look and explore what else can be out there.

Get a load of this!!!
It is not just the Pope (Christians) that puts his foot in his mouth!

Imam justifies rape of unveiled women
1. Australia's top Muslim cleric compares victims to 'uncovered meat' that attracts cats
WorldNetDaily
Published: 10.26.06, 20:07

Australia's top Muslim cleric rationalized a series of gang rapes by Arab men, blaming women who "sway suggestively," wear make-up and don't cover themselves in the tradition of Islam.
Sheik Taj el-Dene Elhilaly's comments in a Ramadan sermon in a Sydney mosque have stirred a furor in the country with even Prime Minister John Howard weighing in with condemnation.
The cleric also said the judge in the case, who sentenced the rapists, had "no mercy."
"But the problem, but the problem all began with who?" he said, referring to the women victims – whom he said were "weapons used by Satan."
The victims of the vicious gang rapes are leading the national outcry – with some calling for deportation of the sheik. In a Sydney Daily Telegraph online poll, 84 percent of people said the Egyptian-born sheik should be deported.
"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?" the sheik said in his sermon.

'Remarks appalling and reprehensible'

"The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
A 16-year-old girl, whose gang rape investigation was the subject of a secret police report, issued an open letter yesterday.
"You are a sad person who has no understanding of what really happens when these people inflict harm and degrading acts upon me or any other young girl," she said.
Initially, the mufti of Australia would not back away from his comments. But today he apologized.
"I unreservedly apologize to any woman who is offended by my comments," he said in a statement today. "I had only intended to protect women's honor."
Howard said the sheik's remarks were "appalling and reprehensible."
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3320149,00.html

We can not even class radical Islam, with the modern world at this level.