Ok. I guess its safe to say that Melanie doesnt understand what pedophilia is, and that a child cannot cause or encourage someone to be a pedophile...

Dress prompts paedophilia

By RAYMOND KONGWA, Guardian Senior Reporter

raymond@nasguard.com

While addressing some of the issues surrounding paedophilia in the country, Minister of Social Services and Community Devel-opment Melanie Griffin said she believed some teenage girls were becoming targets for older men because of the way they were dressing. "What seems to be the problem to my mind is that there is no regard for the age of children," said Mrs. Griffin. "For example, we are having problems a lot in the teenage areas. And we are talking about children between the ages of, let's say, ten and thirteen.

"There is a whole lot happening. I think our girls are a lot more mature. And perhaps they dress more maturely," she said. "Adults ought to realize that it doesn't matter how they're dressed, these are children. And so certainly we have to always be of that mindset."

Added Mrs Griffin: "That's why you find a lot of men anywhere from eighteen and up getting into a lot of trouble, because they're not allowing themselves to see these children as children. But they are looking at, perhaps, how developed they are."

In addition, Minister Griffin revealed that mandatory reporting of child abuse will be included in the Child Protection Bill, which the government plans to take to Parliament this week.

To defend her sentiment...
From what I gather, she does not mean really perverse pedophaelia...
But, the type of pedophaelia that happens when a young teenage girl, dresses up and "hides" her age and background, to attract older men.

Yes womne mature faster than men...and in fact, historically younger women normally date older men. What she is implying that, for what ever reason it is, money, prestige, sex etc...Young women can attract older men, older men who could care less sometimes, once it is in skirt and appears to be over the legal age limit.

She said this off of the heels of Fraser, and wanted to cash in some political chips. Horrible way to do it, as she appears to fall on the side of men who may fall "victim" to younger girls and their women whiles.....
Or whatever....
Not a good way to start off the debate...in fact, you give us more of the "same ol'e same ol'e"....
LOL....

Fact is, a man who goes after anthing in a skirt, should pay the price.
AIDS and STD's and/or a stint in jail if she is under-age.
Plain and simple!

Let us rid ourselves of these arbitrary rules and go with nature, ie, you can legally consent at sexual maturity. Good goobledygoo, what a progressive society we will be!

Let us rid ourselves of these arbitrary rules and go with nature, ie, you can legally consent at sexual maturity. Good goobledygoo, what a progressive society we will be!


Is that "progressive" or "hedonistic"...
Gatta call these things right ya know!?!
:D

Is that "progressive" or "hedonistic"...
Gatta call these things right ya know!?!
:D

What is distubing y2kbad is that men who sleep with children are given high fives and embraced by some people instead of being universally shunned and condemned..that Frazier guy should not even be allowed on a Jitney, but I was surprised to see the Bishop being hugged by members of the public on Natiional tv, so go figure. Therefore it would be progressive doing away with the arbitrary age-of-consent thing because we would no longer have to be hypocrites about the issue. If she bleeds, she has needs (sorry ladies of BI ):D

To defend her sentiment...
From what I gather, she does not mean really perverse pedophaelia...
But, the type of pedophaelia that happens when a young teenage girl, dresses up and "hides" her age and background, to attract older men.
Yes womne mature faster than men...and in fact, historically younger women normally date older men. What she is implying that, for what ever reason it is, money, prestige, sex etc...Young women can attract older men, older men who could care less sometimes, once it is in skirt and appears to be over the legal age limit.
She said this off of the heels of Fraser, and wanted to cash in some political chips. Horrible way to do it, as she appears to fall on the side of men who may fall "victim" to younger girls and their women whiles.....
Or whatever....
Not a good way to start off the debate...in fact, you give us more of the "same ol'e same ol'e"....
LOL....
Fact is, a man who goes after anthing in a skirt, should pay the price.
AIDS and STD's and/or a stint in jail if she is under-age.
Plain and simple!
Exactly! Too many young girls dress provocatively! I mean man.....some even be 14 or 15 looking like they are 18 or 20! Their Daddies or Mummies need to stop them from doing that,no good is going to come to them dressed that way.Our culture is designed for men to be attracted to girls dressed that way,mistakes can be easily made by otherwise decent men.The pervs are another matter.

Exactly! Too many young girls dress provocatively! I mean man.....some even be 14 or 15 looking like they are 18 or 20! Their Daddies or Mummies need to stop them from doing that,no good is going to come to them dressed that way.Our culture is designed for men to be attracted to girls dressed that way,mistakes can be easily made by otherwise decent men.The pervs are another matter.

Yall are missing the point, though I understand yall points. An "otherwise decent" man who took a 12 year old for an 18 year old is NOT a pedophile.

Pedophilia has nothing to do with wanting you because you seem older - thats the exact opposite of what pedophilia is about. In the case of a pedophile, that sickness is about the person, not what his or her victim is wearing - thats what I'm drawing reference to.

Yall are missing the point, though I understand yall points. An "otherwise decent" man who took a 12 year old for an 18 year old is NOT a pedophile.
Pedophilia has nothing to do with wanting you because you seem older - thats the exact opposite of what pedophilia is about. In the case of a pedophile, that sickness is about the person, not what his or her victim is wearing - thats what I'm drawing reference to.


So what about the infants, young kids, and small boys that are getting abused? Are their Pampers too revealing?

This whole thing is bull:wipe:

Touch, screw, bang, kiss, feel ANYONE under legal consenting age and you should pay the price.

FYI - my four last girlfriends ALL had something happen to them when they were kids. I don't go looking for this sort of history, but pretty women are more likely to be abused as pretty girls. I can't seem to get away from this issue...

Hopefully everyone recognizes the EMOTIONAL AND PHYSICAL DAMAGE that pedophilia causes? This Child Protection Act had better include chemical castration or a gunshot to the nuts for the offenders.

http://www.lightamillioncandles.com

Please visit this site and support the effort, even if it is based in the US.

The victim's victim

So what about the infants, young kids, and small boys that are getting abused? Are their Pampers too revealing?


That's what I was thinking as well, we do have babies that have been abused, remember a few years back there was a 5 month baby girl who was being sexually abused by the uncle right in her crib!!! Now, just recently the 6 year old girl!!!

Yall are missing the point, though I understand yall points. An "otherwise decent" man who took a 12 year old for an 18 year old is NOT a pedophile.
Pedophilia has nothing to do with wanting you because you seem older - thats the exact opposite of what pedophilia is about. In the case of a pedophile, that sickness is about the person, not what his or her victim is wearing - thats what I'm drawing reference to.


Yeah I dont think that they are getting this point. The Minister of all people should know the difference. Not hitting that she is trying to make a point but persons who are 'hoodwinked' into thinking that a girl is older than she is and persons who target under age children ( despite dress, age, status, sex etc) are VERY DIFFERENT.

Yes there should be some retribution (jail time or whatever) for some 'older' man who does not 'do his homework' and make sure he is dealing with an adult, or just does not care that the girl/guy is just a teenager and not an adult....he is just a fool.

But whatever retribution he pays should be much different and lighter than the retribution paid by someone who TARGETS children. The guy who grabs a six year olds off the street, the guy who molests a two month old child, the one who keeps games and toys in his home to encourage the neighbourhod kids to visit, the one who uses threats and other stuff to intimidate the child .....that guy he is the pedophile.

So what about the infants, young kids, and small boys that are getting abused? Are their Pampers too revealing?
This whole thing is bull:wipe:
Touch, screw, bang, kiss, feel ANYONE under legal consenting age and you should pay the price.
FYI - my four last girlfriends ALL had something happen to them when they were kids. I don't go looking for this sort of history, but pretty women are more likely to be abused as pretty girls. I can't seem to get away from this issue...
Hopefully everyone recognizes the EMOTIONAL AND PHYSICAL DAMAGE that pedophilia causes? This Child Protection Act had better include chemical castration or a gunshot to the nuts for the offenders.
http://www.lightamillioncandles.com
Please visit this site and support the effort, even if it is based in the US.
The victim's victim


Exactly the way I feel. But, I was giving context to the Minister's argument.
But, if you go around hopping up on anything that is in skirt, before you know what it is you hopped up on...you deserve to pay the price.
;)

Yeah I dont think that they are getting this point. The Minister of all people should know the difference. Not hitting that she is trying to make a point but persons who are 'hoodwinked' into thinking that a girl is older than she is and persons who target under age children ( despite dress, age, status, sex etc) are VERY DIFFERENT.
The overall point is, that whether they look like it, they mistake it, or they go intentionaly after young people, it is pedophalia and it is illegal.
We punish sickness.
I am sorry, if you do not take the time to check the "details", you deserve to pay the price. Whether you knew it or not.
Fact is, we should nto even be arguing the nature of it; which is what I think the Minister want's us to do. Blame the victim, for a short-sight on the mature adults part. If you sleep with someone under age, you deserve to pay the price; saying that they made you do it, does not cut it. the next time, you would pick your mate more carefully.
Secondly, what in the hell is a 45 year old man "per-say" doing hooning after women half his age!?!
That in it self is sick to me...and raises a red-flaf to that man's decency.


Yes there should be some retribution (jail time or whatever) for some 'older' man who does not 'do his homework' and make sure he is dealing with an adult, or just does not care that the girl/guy is just a teenager and not an adult....he is just a fool.
Say "yes there should be"...
There will be retribution for anyone who sleeps with a minor.
Quit this plausible deniability defence. Guys like that, do not deserve to get a free pass; whether or not the teenage girl looks mature or not!

But whatever retribution he pays should be much different and lighter than the retribution paid by someone who TARGETS children. The guy who grabs a six year olds off the street, the guy who molests a two month old child, the one who keeps games and toys in his home to encourage the neighbourhod kids to visit, the one who uses threats and other stuff to intimidate the child .....that guy he is the pedophile.

Varrying degrees.
The overall thing for me is; you sleep with someone under age..whether you knew it or not...you pay the price.
Bottom line!
Whether you want to fashionable and call it NOT pedophaelia....is up to you, but you deserve to be put away, if you do not have the common sense to see whether or not to check your mate...or....pay the price for not checking your mate.

this is just too much the minister is blaming the victim...what the hell is her problem...it would be so ironical if a pedophile were to harm one of her children! then what will she say? again, its the same ol it een my child!

this is just too much the minister is blaming the victim...what the hell is her problem...it would be so ironical if a pedophile were to harm one of her children! then what will she say? again, its the same ol it een my child!
I totally agree..............but the thing is Taf,too many adolescent girls dress showin their stuff,lookin like they much older! To me that is what gasoline is to matches,it is a catalyst that exacerbates an existing problem.:shhh:

Exactly the way I feel. But, I was giving context to the Minister's argument.
But, if you go around hopping up on anything that is in skirt, before you know what it is you hopped up on...you deserve to pay the price.
;)


This is an unfair assumption.

1. I don't go 'hopping up' on anything in a skirt. I'm quite particular about what I like and who I enter a relationship with. I'm 33 and don't date anyone under 27-28, so I'm not fishing in shallow water here.
2. The 'were you abused as a child' question isn't appropriate unless there is some evidence of it and/or a comfort level established between the people.
3. Those that have divulged that information always got support and love from me. I never judged them for perhaps wearing too little. I never judged them for not saying anything. I've offered to go to counseling, peer groups, etc. Keep in mind that the crimes were committed decades before...
3. The price I paid was walking down the path to marriage, kids and a fruitful life together only to have it ripped away at the last second because a repressed memory pulled her life apart. Her desire to try to ignore the issue just made it come back to her even more. Keep in mind that the abused have a jaded perception and/or a fear of 'love'.

If you think that I deserve heartbreak because some father/uncle/brother/cousin is a pervert, then that only tells me what type of person you are. I wouldn't wish my experience on anyone. Moreso, we must stop the young from having to experience this themselves.