I know that there has not been any headlines in relation to our schools recently. However, working in the school system it interests me to know how others feel about corporal punishment or about any other measures of discipline that are or should be used in our schools.

The Ministry of Education has its guidelines on how to administer punishment and what forms of punishment should be used. Many changes were made due to the incident involving the teacher and the student who died a few years ago. One of the changes was that made was that classroom teachers could no longer administer corporal punishment.

Nowadays students are cognizant of the fact that the teachers are told not to perform this act of punishment and thus some choose to push the envelop in terms of disruptive behavior.

What is your take on this issue?

I know that there has not been any headlines in relation to our schools recently. However, working in the school system it interests me to know how others feel about corporal punishment or about any other measures of discipline that are or should be used in our schools.
The Ministry of Education has its guidelines on how to administer punishment and what forms of punishment should be used. Many changes were made due to the incident involving the teacher and the student who died a few years ago. One of the changes was that made was that classroom teachers could no longer administer corporal punishment.
Nowadays students are cognizant of the fact that the teachers are told not to perform this act of punishment and thus some choose to push the envelop in terms of disruptive behavior.
What is your take on this issue?

As for what a student knows and how he in turn behaves, only a rude child will be intentionally disruptive cuz he or she knows they cant get hit from their teachers - and so even if a teacher could hit them that doesnt mean the child will suddenly become mannerly and well behaved.

It all goes back to the unfortunate cycle of no home training and then teachers having to be saddled with disrespectful, violent tempered kids.

There is no way a teacher can be expected to do in a classroom what the parents arent doing at home, so corporal punishment has alot working against it in terms of its potential level of success.

Furthermore some of these teachers' head een good..so I dont know if I would feel comfortable with knowing some man or woman I dont know will take a rod to my child whenever he or she sees fit - because children arent always guilty of what they are being accused of either and frustrated teachers might take things too far.

When I was a kid caning was common. One could get caned for getting a “F” grade! In those days being stupid was a choice one took. A caning took that idea of the head. I would not support such a thing now, but caning for some offences would be OK with me. My generation when through it and we did not turn out so bad - by and large. :bouncy:

It all goes back to the unfortunate cycle of no home training.
There is no way a teacher can be expected to do in a classroom what the parents arent doing at home, - because children arent always guilty of what they are being accused of either and frustrated teachers might take things too far.
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When I was a kid caning was common. One could get caned for getting a “F” grade! In those days being stupid was a choice one took. A caning took that idea of the head. I would not support such a thing now, but caning for some offences would be OK with me. My generation when through it and we did not turn out so bad - by and large. :bouncy:

I'm definetely not an advocate of sparing the rod, but with all the children in the average govt school - they mussy gonna hire someone just to do caning because thats sure to be a full time task!! :cop:

they mussy gonna hire someone just to do caning because thats sure to be a full time task!! :cop:
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we had canning at my old school too. but not just canning. pain and humiliation are both types of punishment.
forms of punishment at my old school.
1. canning (depending on the severity of the offense-like fighting or stealing)
2. pick up litter in the school yard.
3. stand on one leg with one hand on your head in front of the class.
4. kneel down on the hard cement floor for an hour or so in front of the class. very painful on the knees.
5. scrub the desks and chairs.
6. write 1,000 lines. e.g. "I must not chew gum in class"
7. extra home-work.
8. detention.
But I put it to you that most of the prisoners at HMP got whipping when growing up and still ended up in jail. a person has to be changed from the inside.

But I put it to you that most of the prisoners at HMP got whipping when growing up and still ended up in jail. a person has to be changed from the inside.

Tru, but look at it this way - caning isnt designed to change the child - its designed to make the child sit down and shut what they call the heck up until class is ova!! :cop:

bahamawave is on to something, this thread comes at a good time... i was listening to a song today and the line that caught my attention was..
And some parents only touch they children when a whips brought
That's why bad kids do bad [edit], just so they could get caught...
And get touched - Brother Ali (room with a view)

In almost any case results can either be good or bad. I agree with you Bahamawave. A person must be changed from inside before real change can occur on the outside.

I for one believes the punishment must fit the crime. However, I try to teach my students to practice self control. In addition to this, I direct them to the book of Ecclesiasties in the Bible (I am a believer of the Christian faith), which teaches that there is a time and place for everything.

There have been times when students have been sent to me by teachers for me to "deal with" them. Sometimes I oblige the teacher's wishes, only after hearing the case and deciding that punishment fits the crime. However, like nationbuilder said, many students are punished for things they dont do.

When I was in school parents were more invovled with their children. Yes we had our bad apples so to speak, but it seems more prevalent today. But we need some clear solutions to this problem because its going downhill.

If more parents and guardians taught their kids how to behave properly at home, then these same kids more than likely would behave themselves at school.

Parents are falling short on their parental responsibilities, and are unfairly expecting teachers to pick up their slack. On top of having to create, facilitate, and maintain an environment of learning, why should teachers have to be bogged down with unruly kids? Its disruptive to the learning environment, and it fustrates the other students and the teacher as well.

In this day in age, teachers who administer or attempt to administer corporal punishment, can put themselves at grave risk. Grave risk from gun and knife toting students and chicken head parents who quick to bring half the village to the school to beat down the teacher.

Too much stress. Leave all corporal punishment to the senior master or senior mistress. Let the teachers teach!

Too much stress. Leave all corporal punishment to the senior master or senior mistress. Let the teachers teach!

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If more parents and guardians taught their kids how to behave properly at home, then these same kids more than likely would behave themselves at school.
Parents are falling short on their parental responsibilities, and are unfairly expecting teachers to pick up their slack. On top of having to create, facilitate, and maintain an environment of learning, why should teachers have to be bogged down with unruly kids? Its disruptive to the learning environment, and it fustrates the other students and the teacher as well.
In this day in age, teachers who administer or attempt to administer corporal punishment, can put themselves at grave risk. Grave risk from gun and knife toting students and chicken head parents who quick to bring half the village to the school to beat down the teacher.
Too much stress. Leave all corporal punishment to the senior master or senior mistress. Let the teachers teach!
The sad part about this point is that in some cases the students are put out of the classroom in the high schools because of their disruptive behavior. But you also have disruptive students in the primary schools. These students cannot be put out of the classroom. This is just another problem that hinders the educational system in our country and contributes to the D average.

Some of dem parents comin for the administrators too! Dont forget about what happened in GB a few years ago with the vice principal at ST. Georges.

carry stun guns and mace? :sailing:

Corporal punishment being taken away from teachers has led to a bad situation.
When teachers DO send a child to the schools administrators, it will show up on their classroom evalutation report as "failure to control classroom settings".
This is huge.
Because, on the one had, you take away a disciplinary measure from the teachers "allbeit a good move", but then you do not take away a check and balance measure, that will ensure that discipline will continue in any event un-inhibited.

Teachers are afraid to continually send kids, who are even remotely disobediant to the administrators, because they fear back-lash and a negative report rating.
Moderately bad kids, are getting worse and the bad kids are turing anti-social.

We need to either, put teachers back in total dicsplinary control, or, give them the type of administrative support that they need, in order to weed out young undesireables earlier in order to get them "right".