We all do what we do for the love of it.
We all do what we do for the love of it.
We all do what we do for the love of it.
We all do what we do for the love of it.
We all do what we do for the love of it.
We all do what we do for the love of it.

did I say it enough times for you CG you are so right with this last post.

Believe it or not that is how the Rainbow Alliance works as well we have no leader we have a facilitation team but no leader. It’s called an egalitarian system. Members come and go as they need and do what they can. Because after all we have to fear for our lives, livelihoods and our families. But that’s for another thread.
All most enough Vicky! Let me say it again. "We all do what we do for the love of it." What a wonderful world it would be if we could say that about everything!
I was not surprised when you wrote, "... after all we have to fear for our lives, livelihoods and our families." I say, not surprised, but it was something that was not in the forefront of my thinking. Please open a thread on this! It needs to be addressed - throw some light on it!

how in the world did this become something for the Rainbow Alliance? This was to do with 'What the Pastor does with our tithes is none of our business'.
I for one, being of sound mind and a very loving spirited heart think that as CG said, The Pastor of a church is not in charge of the tithing but a group of church members are accountable for it and as I do recall...the church does vote as to where or how the monies are spent. That is the way any 'business' is ran.. not by one person but by a group of individuals...a board of trustees. Being that I am a Preacher/Pastor's daughter, I do know that all the work that my father did was not paid out of the tithe money but of a free will offering. My father held a full time job and was 'on-call' 24 hours a day for any one in or outside the church in their time of need.
As far as the Rainbow Alliance goes....I love you each and everyone as individuals but personally do not agree and will not accept that you should have the same rights as heterosexual partners. If it were intended to be that way, then there would not be but one sex. Even with vegetation...there has to be the opposite/availibility for them to be the other 'sex' in order to grow.

how in the world did this become something for the Rainbow Alliance? This was to do with 'What the Pastor does with our tithes is none of our business'.
This is Vicky’s/my words and opinion not the Alliance I just happen to be a member. I was just agreeing with CG as to how we work as well.


1 Please point out in the Bible where Christ said to build buildings in his name and call them church’s
2 Does you father’s church have a lock on the door so as to stop the poor from finding shelter? If Christ owned the building would there be a lock on the door?
3How hard is it to do a collection and give it to the poorest person there. You pass the basket find a poor person and give it to them simple. No group needed.
4 So you are saying the tithe was/is collected differently from the free will offering. What would Christ have done with the free will offering?????
5 Matthew 6 1-8 you do not need a church to pray, you do not need a congregation to pray with or in front of.

I for one, being of sound mind and a very loving spirited heart think that as CG said, The Pastor of a church is not in charge of the tithing but a group of church members are accountable for it and as I do recall...the church does vote as to where or how the monies are spent. That is the way any 'business' is ran.. not by one person but by a group of individuals...a board of trustees. Being that I am a Preacher/Pastor's daughter, I do know that all the work that my father did was not paid out of the tithe money but of a free will offering. My father held a full time job and was 'on-call' 24 hours a day for any one in or outside the church in their time of need.
As far as the Rainbow Alliance goes....I love you each and everyone as individuals but personally do not agree and will not accept that you should have the same rights as heterosexual partners. If it were intended to be that way, then there would not be but one sex. Even with vegetation...there has to be the opposite/availibility for them to be the other 'sex' in order to grow.This is not the thread for this discussion we have 1 in Bahamas religion constitutional amendment. I would really like to hear you views.Or please start a new thread.

1 Please point out in the Bible where Christ said to build buildings in his name and call them church’s
2 Does you father’s church have a lock on the door so as to stop the poor from finding shelter? If Christ owned the building would there be a lock on the door?
3How hard is it to do a collection and give it to the poorest person there. You pass the basket find a poor person and give it to them simple. No group needed.
4 So you are saying the tithe was/is collected differently from the free will offering. What would Christ have done with the free will offering?????
5 Matthew 6 1-8 you do not need a church to pray, you do not need a congregation to pray with or in front of.


Answers to questions

1. Thank the Almighty for us to have minds to think with. "Church" given the name of any group of people that gather together in the same religion to share their doctrines and fellowship with each other. The buildings..be it hut, tents, thatched roof or whatever were put in place to give comfort and shelter from the environments. Like any business, the more monies taken in the more they can afford to build a place of worship and offer the community and their members better benefits..i.e. food, clothing, schooling, child care, and even sometimes with shelter/utility costs. Some people feel that you don't have to attend church and that is their decision but the 'church' is there to strengthen them, to share spiritually, and to rejoice. It is like a renewal of your spirit. Being able to come and rejuvenate yourselves, together.
2. There use to be a time when houses and churches could leave their doors wide open and all that needed comfort and shelter could enter in and recieve open arms and a warm hello. It was wonderful!!! Do you remember those days??? Sad to say, but those days are gone! All of us wish that wasn't the case but there are 'evil-doers' that come in and steal, destroy, and even murder!!! I am sure you know that because of these reasons many of us have had to locked up when we are not there and even some of us have to lock up even if we are at home. A church will generally have a phone number or address to where the 'poor' or person in need can come to or call for assistance. I know of many times when someone would call and express the desire to be inside the church that my father or another member of the church would go and open the doors for that person to enter in and would be there to assist them in their time of need. Like many pastors that I have known they are willing to go anywhere there is a need at any time day or night. Some people could not attend church services or social meetings and we would take those meetings and services to them.
3. With this, It does happen more than you would ever imagine. By word of mouth and/or someone knowing that a certain family/individual is in need of assistance that plate has been passed and the monies collected have been given to that purpose! My father would never draw anyone out of the crowd but just announce to the people that it has come to the church's attention that there is a dire need and wouldn't actually have to go into detail about it all but would ask that all that could please assist by giving what they could. In all matters of monies collected there would always be the trustees that would collect and count the money and give it to the person in an envelope. Good will offerings are seperate from any other collections made. Tithes are used to cover church specifics just like your paycheck has to be spread out to cover all the expenses that you have. But basically, all the monies collected within the church are used to help spread the word of God.
4. Now that one!! I have to laugh in a way because if you have never been in a pastor's life and seen the many hours of work that they honestly put into the community and what monies are collected and given to the pastor is always used for the purpose of serving the community. My father would use the money to fix the car or use the money for gas that would help him to get out into the community. He had a habit of having spare clothing in the car for if he ran into a person that stated that they didn't have anything decent to wear to church and were self conscience about their clothing.. he would pull out clothing and give them a nice church outfit. Another thing, you have to remember that pastors are human beings with their own set of problems and they also need time to relax and have time for themselves. Sometimes, after years of service and the people that attended the church knowing that 'their' pastor had not taken time out for a vacation would collect a good will offering to be used for the sole purpose of helping let him know how much they appreciated him and recognized that even he needed that time to himself.
5. No, you do not need a church to pray and I sure hope that any of us knows how to pray without being inside a church or a gathering of people. Again, the purpose of the church is to help with reviving your soul and of 'mingling' with fellow worshippers. It helps to have the church for spiritual guidance. As with any religion there are many people that are at a certain point in that religion and the church members are there as support. A church can consist of you and another person. The bottom line, when you are not around a certain thing or don't keep in touch with certain people it is hard to know what is going on and alot of people lose sight or stray away. It is for the sole purpose of keeping us in touch with our religious beliefs and the moralities of our religion. No matter how many people in the church, you own personal relationship with God is between you and God. How you live your life is important to your spiritual being. Why do you go to any social event? Why do you belong to organizations? Why do you hang out with that certain 'group' of people? Because they do something that helps you... so there is your answer.

Hi EJLUV your responce was very good and came from your heart thanks.

1.You still did not show where Christ said to build buildings to worship in.
Like any business, the more monies taken in the more they can afford to build a place of worship and offer the community and their members better benefits..i.e. food, clothing, schooling, child care, and even sometimes with shelter/utility costs.

Christ never built one nor did he have one built. Most all his teaching were done out side.
Do you really think man and money can build better than the Creator? Why spend so much money to build such elaborate churches when we still have people living in shacks and with out running water not to mention homeless.
Would Christ build a church/building with such elaborate furnishings so members can worship him in comfort while just down the street there are old shacks with people living in them and homeless. Not the Christ I follow the teachings of.

2. If a man steals your shirt give him your coat. It is very strange that church leaders do not understand this. Who would steal from a church if they did not need to? If someone steals a candleholder then the church leader should give him or her the other. A candle can be stuck on a rock it will still give just as much light. But if the candleholders were never bought and that same money given the person that would steal them would they come and steal the rocks? Did not the Creator create rocks?
A church will generally have a phone number or address to where the 'poor' or person in need can come to or call for assistance.

A phone number is useless if the person has no phone to call from.

I know of many times when someone would call and express the desire to be inside the church that my father or another member of the church would go and open the doors for that person to enter in and would be there to assist them in their time of need.

How many times did they get a phone call from a homeless person with no phone to call with? How many homeless people are sleeping in the church/building tonight? If Christ were here now and it was his church/building how many homeless would be sleeping in it? The Christ whose teachings I follow would have the church/building full of homeless no phone number needed to get the doors unlocked.

3. With this, It does happen more than you would ever imagine. By word of mouth and/or someone knowing that a certain family/individual is in need of assistance that plate has been passed and the monies collected have been given to that purpose! My father would never draw anyone out of the crowd but just announce to the people that it has come to the church's attention that there is a dire need and wouldn't actually have to go into detail about it all but would ask that all that could please assist by giving what they could. In all matters of monies collected there would always be the trustees that would collect and count the money and give it to the person in an envelope.

A yes Christ gave his help in an envelope. If some one would be embarrassed or to proud to be given help openly they do not need help they want a hand out. I am not saying to make a big production out of it simply collect and give it there and then. Try it one time. Find a homeless person take the collection from front to back and give it to the person there and then and see if the person is to proud or embarrassed to take it.

Good will offerings are seperate from any other collections made. Tithes are used to cover church specifics just like your paycheck has to be spread out to cover all the expenses that you have.
Ref. 1.” "Church" given the name of any group of people that gather together in the same religion to share their doctrines and fellowship with each other “. What expenses do they have? Oh Oh Oh sorry! You mean the church/building so people can worship in comfort while homeless have to sleep in the street because they have no phone to get the door unlocked.

4. Now that one!! I have to laugh in a way because if you have never been in a pastor's life and seen the many hours of work that they honestly put into the community and what monies are collected and given to the pastor is always used for the purpose of serving the community.
If this is so I say kudos to your father. But if he even as much as used the money to by his Tran vestments or any other clergy clothing while there are homeless, I say the Christ whose teachings I follow would not do that. My father would use the money to fix the car or use the money for gas that would help him to get out into the community.

How many people walking would he drive past? Would Christ do that??

He had a habit of having spare clothing in the car for if he ran into a person that stated that they didn't have anything decent to wear to church and were self conscience about their clothing.. he would pull out clothing and give them a nice church outfit.
Matthew 6 28-29 And why are you anxious about clothing Consider the lilies of the field how they grow they neither toil nor spin yet I tell you even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
My first refusal to go to church was over the clothes I had on. No it had nothing to do with my being transgendered. I was in a T-shirt and short pants and tennis shoes. I was told I needed to change my clothes before I could go to church. I was in my late teens or maybe early 20s I did not go.

Another thing, you have to remember that pastors are human beings

And must lead and teach by example.

with their own set of problems and they also need time to relax and have time for themselves. Sometimes, after years of service and the people that attended the church knowing that 'their' pastor had not taken time out for a vacation would collect a good will offering to be used for the sole purpose of helping let him know how much they appreciated him and recognized that even he needed that time to himself.

How many poor people need a vacation? Would Christ take a vacation while there are homeless and hungry people?

5. It is for the sole purpose of keeping us in touch with our religious beliefs and the moralities of our religion. No matter how many people in the church, you own personal relationship with God is between you and God. How you live your life is important to your spiritual being.

Please read what you have written here. Do you see what you have said???
Sorry these comments here are off this subject a bit but I must make you see what you have said.
“Our religious beliefs and the moralities of our religion.” So should someone who does not practice your religion as you do be subject to your religious beliefs and the moralities of your religion????

“Your own personal relationship with God is between you and God.” A mouth full here. And no law can force your relationship with the Creator. It is a personal as who you choose to marry or civil union with and should not be dictated by what someone else believes but by what you believe.