Atrocities Mistakes and Misunderstanding in the name of Christ.



I am starting this thread not to turn anyone away from Christ or the Creator. But to make you think about the so-called Christian leaders and how people follow them blindly. In the past and even now they used the church and the name of Christ for their own gain, while murdering torturing and mutilating hundreds of thousands of men women and children.



How is it that all these so called Christian leaders of today want you to follow them blindly when the history of their teaching have done so much harm to so many people. Are you really that much a fool that you would harm some one just because your pastor says you should?? Harming some one could be as simple as discrimination.



“Oh don’t mind the mistakes of the past we are not wrong now!!!!!!” Is what 1 pastor told me.



"I say yeah right."

How is it that all these so called Christian leaders of today want you to follow them blindly when the history of their teaching have done so much harm to so many people. What are you trying to get at here Vicky?
You and I both know that there are different types of Leaders but there is only One God.

I follow no man.

What are you trying to get at here Vicky?
You and I both know that there are different types of Leaders but there is only One God.

I follow no man.Hi Delroy

I am trying to get people to look at the flaw of following these so-called Christian leaders. There is also a fact that can’t be over looked. The fact that Christian leaders have been wrong/mistaken even as high as the popes.

They could be wrong with issues of today as well. The Christian leaders in the past were so sure they were right that they even murdered men women and children in the name of Christ.

Socially destroying someone is almost as bad a killing them. Could you imagine a world where left-handed people are out cast? They are not allowed to have families they can’t get decent jobs.

How dose one prove they were born left-handed they just are. Is there any evidence on a living human that can prove why they are left-handed? No. Are left handed people born that way or are they taught to be left-handed. May be their right hand was abused when they were young so they turned to the left hand.



Gee did I say left hand well go ahead in the above replace left hand with homosexual.



I will say it again The Christians murdered hundreds of thousands of men women and children because they were left handed. Why is it wrong now? Because people stood up against the so-called church and made them stop the slaughter.



Here is one for you.



A pregnant woman was near time to give birth and it was reported she was left-handed. A quick trial and she was sentenced to death. Here is how they killed her. They tied her to a tree and then cut her open pulled out the baby and stomped it to death and she was left to die on the tree looking at her baby. The Christian leaders of her time did this.



How would you feel if this could happen in this day and age? To have your wife/daughter dragged off and murdered in this manner Just because she is left handed. They murdered men for being left handed to.



"For you Delroy does the roof of your home have a railing on it?????"

Allot of persons called themselves Christians back then and they weren't.

The best way to try and spoil the name of someone or a group of people is to disguise yourself as one of them and do wrong things in their names.

I for one know that True Christians who believe in the name of Jesus Christ will never do the things you described in your post. So when you say "Christians" did this and "Christians" did that you need to be more specific for the reader.

Allot of persons called themselves Christians back then and they weren't.

The best way to try and spoil the name of someone or a group of people is to disguise yourself as one of them and do wrong things in their names.

I for one know that True Christians who believe in the name of Jesus Christ will never do the things you described in your post. So when you say "Christians" did this and "Christians" did that you need to be more specific for the reader. Organized Christianity from the popes on down sanctioned the torture and murder of men women and children. Even right here in the Bahamas. How come there are no Bahamian Indians left. The Christian European came to convert the heathen Indian. Those that refused were tortured, killed or sold into slavery. Learn your history Delroy. Back then true Christian as you say would have been burned alive for being a heretic. Even if you said the world was round you would be burned as a heretic and the church sanctioned this.



In my opinion any so called Christian that would agree with laws/society that discriminated or made a type of person less equal than another is just as mislead/hypocritical as the ones I am writing about.



"What do you think the crusades were??????? Do you really think Jesus would sanction a war to convert people????"

A&E Cable channel 25 Sunday night 8 PM a documentry on the popes.

POPES are not Christian leader ma girl,they are Religous leaders big difference.The people U keep calling christians in your post are really religous :gi:

POPES are not Christian leader ma girl,they are Religous leaders big difference.The people U keep calling christians in your post are really religous :gi:
Then tell us Marichal, seeing that organized religion really began with the Popes/Catholic Church and all other christian sects sprung from them, who the heck in your estimation back then and up to now is really a christian? You seem to have the unique ability to look into a man's heart/mind who is either dead or alive and decipher his true thoughts/beliefs despite what he may have professed publically. Would you consider Gearge W. Bush a christian? Can you tell by looking who is a true Muslim or Buddhist or even a true Wiccan? Inquiring minds want to know. Some of you people who write in this forum seems absolutely bereft of even the simplest historical and scientific data but insist on arguing never the less. Why is it so difficult for you to accept what Vicky is saying. You already accept some extremely incredible stuff in the bible without proof. Is it because you don't want to believe/accept because it spotlights the shortcomings of your christian religion. I don't particularly care very much for homosexuals, transgenders heterosexuals, bisexuals or whatever sexual proclivities, just as long as they keep to themselves. However, I do care when individuals with a particular religious mindset try to convert everyone in the county to their specific beliefs. The secular laws (Constitution) of the land should be the guiding force behind and in these matters, not some religious crackpot dressed in black robes.

Christianity is not a religion of peace and love and heavenly host as some of you would like to believe, but one historically filled with violence, intolerance and untold human suffering. Nothing much has change since its beginning. Yeah the church has done some good. The Nazis did some good as well. Intolerance breeds violence. People should be accepted for who they are (human beings) not their sexual orientation. But don't feel particularly bad about this fact, nearly all religions are guilty somewhat of this affliction (intolerance). I say get rid of religion and you get rid of most of the world's problems. It is as simple as that. After two thousand years of believing, we should have seen some progress. So get up of your collective backsides and out of those pews and show some real love to another fellow human. Loving a dead crucified savior-god is really not a healthy way to cope with living on this rock called earth. :walk:

POPES are not Christian leader ma girl,they are Religous leaders big difference.The people U keep calling christians in your post are really religous :gi:

Popes are the leaders of a Christian Religion - Roman Catholic by name. They are not just religious leaders in general. They espouse the faith of the Christ (as they see it.) So that does make them Christian leaders, at least for the Catholics. There is no way around that one!

Popes are the leaders of a Christian Religion - Roman Catholic by name. They are not just religious leaders in general. They espouse the faith of the Christ (as they see it.) So that does make them Christian leaders, at least for the Catholics. There is no way around that one! The key being as they see it.

Then tell us Marichal, seeing that organized religion really began with the Popes/Catholic Church and all other christian sects sprung from them, who the heck in your estimation back then and up to now is really a christian? You seem to have the unique ability to look into a man's heart/mind who is either dead or alive and decipher his true thoughts/beliefs despite what he may have professed publically. Would you consider Gearge W. Bush a christian? Can you tell by looking who is a true Muslim or Buddhist or even a true Wiccan? Inquiring minds want to know. Some of you people who write in this forum seems absolutely bereft of even the simplest historical and scientific data but insist on arguing never the less. Why is it so difficult for you to accept what Vicky is saying. You already accept some extremely incredible stuff in the bible without proof. Is it because you don't want to believe/accept because it spotlights the shortcomings of your christian religion. I don't particularly care very much for homosexuals, transgenders heterosexuals, bisexuals or whatever sexual proclivities, just as long as they keep to themselves. However, I do care when individuals with a particular religious mindset try to convert everyone in the county to their specific beliefs. The secular laws (Constitution) of the land should be the guiding force behind and in these matters, not some religious crackpot dressed in black robes.

Christianity is not a religion of peace and love and heavenly host as some of you would like to believe, but one historically filled with violence, intolerance and untold human suffering. Nothing much has change since its beginning. Yeah the church has done some good. The Nazis did some good as well. Intolerance breeds violence. People should be accepted for who they are (human beings) not their sexual orientation. But don't feel particularly bad about this fact, nearly all religions are guilty somewhat of this affliction (intolerance). I say get rid of religion and you get rid of most of the world's problems. It is as simple as that. After two thousand years of believing, we should have seen some progress. So get up of your collective backsides and out of those pews and show some real love to another fellow human. Loving a dead crucified savior-god is really not a healthy way to cope with living on this rock called earth. :walk: Have U ever read the book of Acts? I my opinion(MY) this is where true christianity started.U have a valid point if U are only veiwing the form of christianity that we see today. ps what do u consider a healthy alternative for coping with everyday life?

The key being as they see it.

As they see it, as you see it - where is the distinction? You are both Christians, even if it is at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Have U ever read the book of Acts? I my opinion(MY) this is where true christianity started.U have a valid point if U are only veiwing the form of christianity that we see today. ps what do u consider a healthy alternative for coping with everyday life?
I have read it some time ago, but not recently. The christianity practiced today is not like it was practiced in Acts. It seem to me the christians in Acts were very communistic in nature. They showed compassion for the poor and disavantage among them by pooling their resources and sharing. Very noble acts indeed, back then. Now we don't see that much pooling of resources in today's christian churches anymore. In fact, what we do see is just the opposite, individualistic capitalists competing for human souls/bodies to fill ever expanding pews. Ironically, their motto seems to be based on an evolutionary concept, survival of the fittest rather than a christian one, being my brothers keeper. The focus of modern christians seem more directed at gaining quantity of souls to fill overtly large buildings as oppose to enhancing the quality of individual souls for modern living. Was it not Jesus Christ who said where two or three are gathered in my name I am also there. He certainly was not talking about constructing large concrete edifices. I believe he was more concerned with the inward man as oppose to the outer trappings, but I could be wrong. You see I am just an atheist and no one listens to us anyway.

Are ancient christians leaders methods different than their modern contemporaries? I would have to say yes. Although there are a few good christian leaders today, by and large their charitable efforts are often overshadowed by the greedy, controlling-freaks, spotlight hogging, money grabbing ones.

There is a healthy alternative to religion. Secular Humanism. It may not provide you with all the answers to life's questions but it is by far more rational. :tup:

There is a healthy alternative to religion. Secular Humanism. It may not provide you with all the answers to life's questions but it is by far more rational. :tup:

While you are at it Truthseeker; why don't we all try the Bahá'í Faith?
They believe that every religion in the world is right and all roads lead to God. :sarcastic

You can't get more rational than that. :D

While you are at it Truthseeker; why don't we all try the Bahá'í Faith?
They believe that every religion in the world is right and all roads lead to God. :sarcastic

You can't get more rational than that. :D

Why don't we try our own minds for a change. We don't need to seek a God to solve our problems when in fact he may be the very cause.