in the begining God made Adam.....on he then made Eve from Adam to be a help meet!!!
he didnt make Steve for Adam!!!! Very true but read on Caine went to the land of Nod and there he found a wife..Uh where did she come from??? It is also writen in the Bible that Adem and eve had sons and daughters whom did they mate with?????

Soddom was detroyed!!!!! Here again I agree but it was not destoried becaues of homosexuality. It was destoried because of inhospitality The second greatesr comammant. Matthew 22 36-40 Please note 40 all the law and the prophets

Noahs son cham was cast away,for his carnal Sorry Genesis 9 22 And Ham the father of Canaan sawhis the nakedness of his father. Here you are changing words to suit what you want. knowledge of his father!!!
and was cursed by noah,and the curse lives on in the black man!!! Please show me where this is in the Bible
read the story of noah..and of chams deception,and his curse and where cham was sent!!! I think you should

you must follow my covenant!!!!

read the entire chapter of acts!!!!!
Read Matthew 22 36-40
God repays people who worship him in the ways he has instructed...
God made man for woman....he wouldnt like it,or it should be common knowledge if you live to please God that nothing he made is wrong or confused everything is to his beauty and pleasure!!!! What can exist with out the Creator creating it???? We humans only discover what is already there. When the Creator made the atom don't you think he/she knew of its potential??? Yes!!! We only discovered it and its power. It the Creator did not want us to discover the atom he/she would not have made it.
The Creator knows past present and Future. Please note that I use he/she only because I don't belive the Creator has a sex. thinking sin,and acting on sin is the same,but repention of sins is divine!!!!

God does not like for you to repay his works or his favours with scant regard or blatant disrespect... You are so right and what do you think the Creator feels when people use the Bible to create hate.
AND THAT ISNT SAID IN THE BIBLE DIRECTLY EITHER,BUT WE LIVE BY IT!!!!
read the entire bible for that one!!! The Creator is a Creator of Love beyond what you or I can imagin. The Creator sent Christ to teach a new way. A way of love for all and he was killed for it. Matthew 22 36-40
just becasue it isnt said directly to you,doesnt mean that it is favoured by the Lord........
and......
i thought you had a problem with the bible that was wrtitten by men....
but then you base all of your research given to me to look up on the bible wriiten by man???
I have no problem with the Bible just the interpretation of it. I follow the teachings of Christ. Not the Old Testament or the opinions of the apostils. The Old Testament is the history of the Jews and their religious Laws. I am not a Jew.

The opinions of the apostils are just the their opinions. I am not a Paulist or a Matthewist nor do I practice Lukeism. Or any other apostilism. I follow the teachings of Christ.
see why i call you more than confused???

p.s.
the story of cain and abel is a prime example of how we think that things are ok by the lord...but then cain found out that things wasnt ok...and killed his brother for it...The Creator apoints and man is disapointed. sort of like what you are doing to us right now....trying to kill us by spoiling....... or trying to pervert our ways of understanding of the book and teachinsg that mean so much to us!!!Practice does nto make you perfect it only makes you good at what you practice no matter how wrong or right it is. For how many years was it belived that left handed people were workers of satan. Why don't we still belive this. May be some one changed the perverted ways of understanding of the book and teachinsg that were practied back then

and also you went as far back as genesis.....but,not far enough!!!

when God made Eve for Adam,was where you should have gone......
and he commanded.....he didnt ask them......HE COMMANDED them to be fruitful and multiply!!!!!

it is enough for me to undertsand...why do you want to misunderstand the literal,you should look for the spiritual,which i think (no offence),you are looking at the wrong spiritual!!!!
As I said before my faith is in a Creator and Christ of Love. My faith is like a circle that includes all. However yours excludes. Which faith best repersents love???

you need to seek the enlightenment of the word..not just the words on the page!!!!See above:)

dont get it twisted now ole boy....

its not about exclusion,because the same God is for you and I.
dont play the role of the spin doctor....:liar:
but,just because he loves us all like he loved cain even though he killed his brother,doesnt make our sins unpunishable!!

and i think you are trying to confuse the topic of punishably accountable,whith what is acceptable as sin in Gods eyes!!!

and use the bible to create hate?????
wtf?????
i never said i hate gays,i hate sin in all forms...and the bible instructs us that you should hate sin with all of your mite!!!

the story of noah is taken by you to mean literal....
for instance human nature.......you expect to writers of the text to account that noah was seen,by his son cham!!!
what is so spectacular in that,they were on a small boat,they were bound to be seen by one another....seen in this sense is definatly not the literal seen...
just as the apple is not literal
the mustard seed is not literal
and having knowledge of a person is not literal,in english terms....
you must MUST derive enlightenment from reading the word...not the literal,in which you are portraying so magnificently!!!

you do know words however,and maybe even the meanings,but how words are used to express messages is lost to you it seems!!!;)

dont get it twisted now ole boy....

its not about exclusion,because the same God is for you and I.
dont play the role of the spin doctor....:liar:
but,just because he loves us all like he loved cain even though he killed his brother,doesnt make our sins unpunishable!!

and i think you are trying to confuse the topic of punishably accountable,whith what is acceptable as sin in Gods eyes!!!
Does your house have a railing around the Roof???

Homosexuality is not what a person is, but is what a person does. People can change what they do, and are commanded to change it, "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).kjv has effeminate- same thing, If you need more i'll be happy to post more.

and use the bible to create hate?????
wtf?????
i never said i hate gays,i hate sin in all forms...and the bible instructs us that you should hate sin with all of your mite!!!

the story of noah is taken by you to mean literal....
for instance human nature.......you expect to writers of the text to account that noah was seen,by his son cham!!! Genesis 9 23 Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it upon both their shoulders and walked bachward and covered the nakedness of their father; Their faces were turned away and they did not see their fathers nakedness.
No matter how you try to spin the words there are words that make it clear its was a visual thing. Not carnal as you imply.
what is so spectacular in that,they were on a small boat, The Ark was not that small.they were bound to be seen by one another....seen in this sense is definatly not the literal seen...
just as the apple is not literal
the mustard seed is not literal
and having knowledge of a person is not literal,in english terms....The Bible was not written in English.
But we're not done yet. The traditional concept of the sin of Sodom arises from the fact that the Hebrew word here translated as "to know" (yadha) is used by itself in ten places in the Old Testament to denote heterosexual intercourse. In five additional texts it is used in conjunction with mishkabh (in this context, "to lie") to mean the same thing. But yadha appears by itself no less than 943 times in a nonsexual connotation, to simply mean "get acquainted with" or "learn of."
you must MUST derive enlightenment from reading the word...not the literal,in which you are portraying so magnificently!!!

you do know words however,and maybe even the meanings,but how words are used to express messages is lost to you it seems!!!;) What is your responce to the Sodom story did you even read all the referance given. Just because you have been taught something and majority around you belive it, does not make it right. How many years was it belived and taught as fact the world was flat. They were wrong or is the world still flat???

Homosexuality is not what a person is, but is what a person does. Thats just what they said about lefthanded people. Left handed is not what a person is, but is what a person does. People can change what they do, Yeah right now matter how good a left handed person can get with their right hand they will always be left handed. and are commanded to change it, "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, Noah was drunk. Matthew 11 19: Christ was accused of being a drunkered not to mention his wisdom was effeminate.
nor revilers, nor extortioners, will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).kjv has effeminate- same thing, If you need more i'll be happy to post more. Oh and just do a numbers play Matthew 19 11-12

Does you home have a railing around the roof???

Corinthians was written by Paul and as I understand, it was written after the death of Christ. As I said before I am not a Paulist.

What is your responce to the Sodom story did you even read all the referance given. Just because you have been taught something and majority around you belive it, does not make it right. How many years was it belived and taught as fact the world was flat. They were wrong or is the world still flat???
the world being flat has nothing to do with nothing we are discussing!!!
i dont know which bible you are reading..but the one i read is in english...translated for me!!!
do you have conections to the scrolls???
i thinks not!!!!
so we are basing our interpertations on the same thing!
then....
you can not discard some of it,for the other!\
its either all...or none!!!

Vicky it's obivious that you're trying to justify your view, and now I understand why.you can just pick out parts of scriptures and twist them for how you want them to be.yes paul wrote corinthians ,as well as most os the new testament.and this Matthew 11 19: Christ was accused of being a drunkered not to mention his wisdom was effeminate.that scripture sure don't support your statements.here's a next scripture "For this reason, God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." (Romans 1:26-27). God said it is not natural--not me, not the church, not religion.
:what:


1) soft, soft to the touch

2) metaph. in a bad sense

a) effeminate

1) of a catamite

2) of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man

3) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness 4) of a male prostitute

the world being flat has nothing to do with nothing we are discussing!!! It has everything to do with what we are discusing. You see Back in the time when it was belived the earth was flat the so called Christian Church would burn people as a heratic for even saying it. What this says is As we learn about the world we live in we find that the interpratation we have of the Bible are either wrong or right. So far all interpratations that have been used to harm other human beings are found to be wrong.... Besides Its up to the Creator not you and I thank the Creator for that.
i dont know which bible you are reading..but the one i read is in english...translated for me!!! So this means you can distort meanings of words to suit what you want. NOT
do you have conections to the scrolls???
i thinks not!!!!With the internet everyone has conections. Also I have some very good firends that are Jews. I even knew a woman that had the numbers on her arm from ww2.
so we are basing our interpertations on the same thing!
then.... Not so I study all religions I can I even look at where the Bible came from. Who first Canonized the Bible you read????
you can not discard some of it,for the other!\
its either all...or none!!!
You are so right

Does your house have a railing around the roof????

Vicky it's obivious that you're trying to justify your view, and now I understand why.you can just pick out parts of scriptures and twist them for how you want them to be.yes paul wrote corinthians ,as well as most os the new testament.and this Matthew 11 19: Christ was accused of being a drunkered not to mention his wisdom was effeminate.that scripture sure don't support your statements.here's a next scripture "For this reason, God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." (Romans 1:26-27). God said it is not natural--not me, not the church, not religion.
:what:


1) soft, soft to the touch

2) metaph. in a bad sense

a) effeminate

1) of a catamite

2) of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man
Christ even heeled a Roman Soldiers beloved servent boy. Now if you know your Greek/Roman history it was a commen practice and yes in most cases it was homosexual.
3) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness 4) of a male prostitute
For me its not just blind faith in the Bible or other peoples interprartation. It was writin by man.
As in the new therad What did Christ him self say about homosexuality???

hmmm... where do i start?

Q: Does your house have a railing around the Roof???
A: nope, does yours?

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Q: is that not what the homophobics do adapt things to make them selves right???
A: we are not homophobics.

nobody is afraid of confused girly-men, who want to make out with one another. If we were really homo phobic we would change the law for you guys out of fear - but we ain't afraid of you. lol.

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I stand with my brothers and sisters that are different and discriminated against just because they are different. Do you know how many times I hear comments behind my back because I don't fit societies ideal of a man. It does not bother me as an individual but why must any human be treated with less respect just because they don't match societies ideal. Those of us that are different harm no one. Those of us that are different that commit crimes should be punished like anyone else.

*we don't make fun of the scotts in their kilts! wonder why?
If you dress like a man in public you won't get stared at or made fun of.

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Get it right I am not gay I am heterosexual a transgender heterosexual. I am married to a wonderful and very supportive woman have kids and a grandchild.

*let the gays fight their own battles, you are already married with kids, right?
if that is you dressed like a lady, may I ask why?

*do all transgendered men dress like that?

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we love you, God loves you, Jesus loves you.
and we all wish you would stop.

you don't have to, we we still love you and let you do
as you wish - you have free will, but why try to change
the laws to suit your purpose?

more importantly, what's in it for you since you are already happily married?

Vicky it's obivious that you're trying to justify your view, and now I understand why.you can just pick out parts of scriptures and twist them for how you want them to be.I can twist and interprate them just as other have done before me. They have twisted them to creat fear and hate. yes paul wrote corinthians ,as well as most os the new testament.and this Matthew 11 19: Christ was accused of being a drunkered not to mention his wisdom was effeminate.that scripture sure don't support your statements.here's a next scripture "For this reason, God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." (Romans 1:26-27). God said it is not natural- Get it right those are Pauls letters/writings not the Creator.not me, not the church, not religion.
:what:


1) soft, soft to the touch

2) metaph. in a bad sense

a) effeminate

1) of a catamite

2) of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man

3) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness 4) of a male prostitute