My fellow Bahamians, apparently nobody trust us. Starting with me as Prime Minister, I want my WHOLE cabinet to bow our heads in shame. It would appear to me, that the US did not want us to know what was happening at the airport as it relates to survailence because we have been dragging our butts when it comes to inforcing the laws of our land. Our police were involved in the survailence of the NFS 5. but, because our police force cannot be trusted the US did not even tell them all of what was happening. Our police was told to watch and report, nothing else. I didn't know our police could keep a secret. LOL

How can we blame the US for not trusting us, after all they can name a few instances where we did not act like we said we would. Let me name some. By the way, while I am talking to you the AG is getting fired, I have had enough of her.

In regards to the British toddler who was killed by boat accident on Paradise Island in 2002, we just issued a warrant of arrest for the driver of the boat who investagaters for the toddlers family say had been smoking dope.

We are still in the process of wrapping up an investagation into the beating of the Spanish reporter by our Defence Force some time ago.

The robbers of the treasury got away scot free with OUR money.

Even though I am looong winded I am getting a headache, so I'll just say one more.

We are still investagating the beating of one of our own citizens who was beaten by our own Defence Force in INAGUA the other day.

I just remembered this one, one of our policeman was killed in a traffic accident the other day, his family do not think it was an accident. They say he was investigating the case of one of our men in charge of the force whose 2 sons and nephew had beaten a man and was going to court for the matter. Apparently police witnesses did not show up to court even though just the other day this same man in charge told a newspaper that there is NEVER a good reason for a policeman or woman to not show up to give evidence. I do not know what happen to that matter to this day.

This is what we are dealing with my fellow Bahamians. Goodnight and good luck.

What do you want to hear exactly!?!?
What does the Inagua beating, have to do with the PM and the PLP?
Seems to be a legal matter to me.

Also, prove that the police were told to keep silent and what is your source!
This is 2007 Facts_Only..give us some facts at least!

What do you want to hear exactly!?!?
What does the Inagua beating, have to do with the PM and the PLP?
Seems to be a legal matter to me.
Also, prove that the police were told to keep silent and what is your source!
This is 2007 Facts_Only..give us some facts at least!


Hold up, you only see the Inagua incident as a legal matter, and nothing to do with the goverment, or PM?

That's like saying if today, officers of the Immigration Dept. were found to be selling illegal documents to immigrants, that it has nothing to do with the government or the PM. They are government employees, and regardless of the party in power, it will be reflected as an incident under the party's watch.

Any matter as serious as the Inagua incident needs to be addressed by the government in power. It will also be recorded as occurring under the regime of the PLP. Just as the Sea Hauler incident, or the Straw Market with the FNM.
With regard to the police being silent, FACTS didn't openly say that they were forced to keep silent. Only that no reason was given for the officers "no show" at the court proceeding. One must ponder why the officers were unable to appear as witnesses, if they were scheduled to appear.

Hold up, you only see the Inagua incident as a legal matter, and nothing to do with the goverment, or PM?
That's like saying if today, officers of the Immigration Dept. were found to be selling illegal documents to immigrants, that it has nothing to do with the government or the PM. They are government employees, and regardless of the party in power, it will be reflected as an incident under the party's watch.
Any matter as serious as the Inagua incident needs to be addressed by the government in power. It will also be recorded as occurring under the regime of the PLP. Just as the Sea Hauler incident, or the Straw Market with the FNM.
With regard to the police being silent, FACTS didn't openly say that they were forced to keep silent. Only that no reason was given for the officers "no show" at the court proceeding. One must ponder why the officers were unable to appear as witnesses, if they were scheduled to appear.


Look. Why do you always have to put every single matter, at the feet of the PM and his administration. This is a matter for court and the RBDF leadership.

We have a government service who is un-elected you know. It is about time you put some of THOSE people to account. The PM cant know everything "in the case of the drug smuggling baggage handlers" and the Inagua incident, I have no clue what you want the PM to do...step into the middle of the judiciary and RBDF leadership and take control!?!?
Surely you jest!?!

:hammer:

amazing as it may be, i agree with yk2 in a way in this case.
Crimes committed by the RBDF officers are not the direct and sole responsibility of the PM or his whole government. That's what the courts, police, judiciary, etc are for. Although such events may reflect certain situations in the country, it's unfair to blame the top of the government for every single thing.

amazing as it may be, i agree with yk2 in a way in this case.
Crimes committed by the RBDF officers are not the direct and sole responsibility of the PM or his whole government. That's what the courts, police, judiciary, etc are for. Although such events may reflect certain situations in the country, it's unfair to blame the top of the government for every single thing.

thats rather funny .. since you dont seem to feel the same way about Bush?? :hammer:

thats rather funny .. since you dont seem to feel the same way about Bush?? :hammer:

i don't even think i mentioned Bush on this board, if I did it wasn't often.
Besides, you can't compare foreign policy actions which are actually ordered by governments with actions of a few criminals.
Besides, Bush, like Christie, represents a certain political system and camp that runs most of the western hemisphere, and criticizing the system is differrent then criticizing the person.

i don't even think i mentioned Bush on this board, if I did it wasn't often.
Besides, you can't compare foreign policy actions which are actually ordered by governments with actions of a few criminals.
Besides, Bush, like Christie, represents a certain political system and camp that runs most of the western hemisphere, and criticizing the system is differrent then criticizing the person.

Okay without the Spin .. so you dont feel that Crimes committed by the US Armed Forces are the direct and sole responsibility of the President or his whole government?

Okay without the Spin .. so you dont feel that Crimes committed by the US Armed Forces are the direct and sole responsibility of the President or his whole government?


Exactly my point on the same issues relative to The Bahamas, Rory. The government may not be responsible, but it is a body of the government, and will be poorly reflected on its leader, and the governing party. That is why it is important for incidents like those to be addressed.


Look. Why do you always have to put every single matter, at the feet of the PM and his administration. This is a matter for court and the RBDF leadership.

We have a government service who is un-elected you know. It is about time you put some of THOSE people to account. The PM cant know everything "in the case of the drug smuggling baggage handlers" and the Inagua incident, I have no clue what you want the PM to do...step into the middle of the judiciary and RBDF leadership and take control!?!?
Surely you jest!?!


Are you confused? This is probably my 3rd post concerning any political topic on this forum. You really exaggerate too often.

Now, I don't want the PM to do anything, I was simply questioning why you do not see the incindents as being relative to the government, in any form. If you read my post, instead of jumping to the conclusion that I was criticizing the PLP, then you would have an open mind to what I am saying.

Have you ever noticed that when incidents like these happen, the PM takes a great deal of time to speak on it? And often, when he does, he implies that he does not know the details, but will earnestly look into the matter. This is the problem I think FACTS has, so do many people. The PM should be briefed on these incidents promptly, so he could address the people. I'm not saying that he had something to do with them, but the people of The Bahamas need - and want, to hear from their leader after incidents like these; and they don't want him to be harassed into making a statement. I must say, as stupid as I think George W. Bush is, at least he communicates with his people, and gives them, some assurance. He is well-briefed on these issues, enough to address the nation.
I think that the Commander of the Defence Force should be held responsible in great part for the Inagua incident (but he is fairly new to the position). I have also stated in another post that I am not sorry for the gents from NFS, if they are truly guilty. However, you mean to tell me that the PM or officials in the government knew nothing about the "plan" to capture these men? Do you know that as soon as the plane landed, DEA Agents boarded the plane, and knew which seat numbers the men were stationed at?

All I'm saying is that it is if an incident involves a government body, agency, or official, it has a great deal to do with the government and the PM. Therefore they must make a great effort to address these incidents promptly as they arise. Simply put, I don't want Perry G. Christie to do anything, other than to brief himself of these issues, and address the Bahamian people, letting us know where he and the government stands.

:jawdroop:
amazing as it may be, i agree with yk2 in a way in this case.
Crimes committed by the RBDF officers are not the direct and sole responsibility of the PM or his whole government. That's what the courts, police, judiciary, etc are for. Although such events may reflect certain situations in the country, it's unfair to blame the top of the government for every single thing.

:jawdroop:

I just remembered this one, one of our policeman was killed in a traffic accident the other day, his family do not think it was an accident. They say he was investigating the case of one of our men in charge of the force whose 2 sons and nephew had beaten a man and was going to court for the matter. Apparently police witnesses did not show up to court even though just the other day this same man in charge told a newspaper that there is NEVER a good reason for a policeman or woman to not show up to give evidence. I do not know what happen to that matter to this day.
This is what we are dealing with my fellow Bahamians. Goodnight and good luck.


I keep hearing that his was no accident but you tell me...you are riding a motercycle and you are going east, you pull out from behind a bus without looking to see if anything is in the other lane coming west and you crash into said vehicle that you never checked to see was there then what do you call that....an accident. (Summary based on eye witness accounts, the driver of the bus, the driver of the bmw he crashed into and the driver of the vehicle behind the motercycle and behind the bmw)
While I sympathize with the family and realize that when there is loss one sometimes looks for someone to blame in this case, it was indeed an accident.
Now I will not venture to say that before he was suspended he was not investigating something sensitive, cause he may have been. I will not conclude that he was or was not suspended on some bogus charge, cause he may have been. I have heard that he was doing his own private investigations after he was suspended and that some people were gettin worried bout that, perhaps this too is true. These things may be the case or may not have been the case but his death in itself was an accident and sadly he is/was the only one we can blame, he was not cautious.

Exactly my point on the same issues relative to The Bahamas, Rory. The government may not be responsible, but it is a body of the government, and will be poorly reflected on its leader, and the governing party. That is why it is important for incidents like those to be addressed.
Are you confused? This is probably my 3rd post concerning any political topic on this forum. You really exaggerate too often.
Now, I don't want the PM to do anything, I was simply questioning why you do not see the incindents as being relative to the government, in any form. If you read my post, instead of jumping to the conclusion that I was criticizing the PLP, then you would have an open mind to what I am saying.
Have you ever noticed that when incidents like these happen, the PM takes a great deal of time to speak on it? And often, when he does, he implies that he does not know the details, but will earnestly look into the matter. This is the problem I think FACTS has, so do many people. The PM should be briefed on these incidents promptly, so he could address the people. I'm not saying that he had something to do with them, but the people of The Bahamas need - and want, to hear from their leader after incidents like these; and they don't want him to be harassed into making a statement. I must say, as stupid as I think George W. Bush is, at least he communicates with his people, and gives them, some assurance. He is well-briefed on these issues, enough to address the nation.
I think that the Commander of the Defence Force should be held responsible in great part for the Inagua incident (but he is fairly new to the position). I have also stated in another post that I am not sorry for the gents from NFS, if they are truly guilty. However, you mean to tell me that the PM or officials in the government knew nothing about the "plan" to capture these men? Do you know that as soon as the plane landed, DEA Agents boarded the plane, and knew which seat numbers the men were stationed at?
All I'm saying is that it is if an incident involves a government body, agency, or official, it has a great deal to do with the government and the PM. Therefore they must make a great effort to address these incidents promptly as they arise. Simply put, I don't want Perry G. Christie to do anything, other than to brief himself of these issues, and address the Bahamian people, letting us know where he and the government stands.

Come come now Rizzo, in no way would Bush even be expected to comment on something as minor as the Inagua incident. Thats part of the problem in we lil country, every thing the politican must have his hand in, then we complain bout they taking to long, dn't check for they people & yada yada.

Okay without the Spin .. so you dont feel that Crimes committed by the US Armed Forces are the direct and sole responsibility of the President or his whole government?
I feel that when they are committed on foreign soil it's not a "direct and sole" responsibility, but there is some responsibliity with the people who put the soldiers there.
Strangely, with Americans it usually seems to sound like they were following orders. Because of that, very close investigations into the matters are required to find out the exact reasons behind the crime, whether there were orders, etc.
No the Inagua incident, no matter how unfortunate, happened on the home soil of this country and can therefore be thoroughly investigated by the judicial system of this country. (can't say I fully trust that but it's the best we have and we gotta work with it).

Come come now Rizzo, in no way would Bush even be expected to comment on something as minor as the Inagua incident. Thats part of the problem in we lil country, every thing the politican must have his hand in, then we complain bout they taking to long, dn't check for they people & yada yada.


Marichal,

Now this may be minor to you, but RBDF officers critically beating a man, then urging doctors to let him die, for what appears to be an unreasonable prompt, is SERIOUS to me, and should be to all Bahamians.

With Bush, my reference to him was with the Abu Gairib (spelling?) incident where the soldiers took pictures with the prisoners. Do you consider that a major/minor issue for Bush and the US? Or think of this, remember the Rodney King incident? Although this is not racial, the grounds are the same: Officers beating a civilian. You know what happened? George H. W. Bush said nothing about the incident, even when the officers were found not guilty. You know when he decided to say something? on the third day of the riots that ensued after the trial. He then spoke to the public saying that the officers would be retried, and basically that only a guilty verdict was acceptable. Turned out that some of the officers were found guilty and sent to jail.

Inagua residents have rioted before, and may riot again, as a result of the lack of response to this issue. This is serious! Suppose police officers decide one day that they don't like you speaking to a fellow officer, and decide to beat you down for it? It's that serious, as no one should have the power to commit an act like that. It is constantly happening, and will continue until someone with high authority takes issue with it.

I take it the RBDF dosen't have some kind of justice system of their own? Like the courtmarshalling stuff?