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You saw it in the pervous post

NOTHING

Wow did I mash your toes or what?

I am shocked no comments from the peanut gallery.
It is amazing how Bible pounding homophobic Christians back out of a discussion when someone can oppose them on their ground using the same Bible.



Resistance is not futile and I will not be assimilated.

maybe no one is as obsessed with this topic as you are...and it's pretty evident as you keep upping this waste of a thread.

maybe no one is as obsessed with this topic as you are...and it's pretty evident as you keep upping this waste of a thread.
Maybe so but I really want to know why Christians have such an issue with homosexuality if Christ him self did not.

Please visit this link on the subject of Homosexuality and what the Bible as the Word of God have to say to us. When we read Scripture we need to do so being careful in how we interpret the meaning of what it says. Christians are named so because we are followers of Christ; we accept The Bible as His Word, We accept Him as our Saviour and as His followers we seek to live according to His teachings.

No finger pointing here; but standing on The Word wherein It says homosexuality is unnatural.

http://www.bible.com/answers/ahomosex.html

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Matthew 5:6

Please visit this link on the subject of Homosexuality and what the Bible as the Word of God have to say to us. When we read Scripture we need to do so being careful in how we interpret the meaning of what it says. Christians are named so because we are followers of Christ; we accept The Bible as His Word, We accept Him as our Saviour and as His followers we seek to live according to His teachings.

No finger pointing here; but standing on The Word wherein It says homosexuality is unnatural.

http://www.bible.com/answers/ahomosex.html

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Matthew 5:6
Hi Priscilia
Been there read them all before. But you must realy try again I said Christ him self The Christ that walked the earth???

Do you live by the Holyness Code in the Bible??? Well Just from your pictuer you do not. You wear clothing of divers fiber Leviticus 19 19 its also in Deuteronomy. So when you fully comply with the Holyness Code then you can use it to judge others. Judge not lest you be judged by the same measuer you judges others.
Now Sodom and Gormorrah Its states that they were destoried because of sin the sin was never named. However in the passages in the Bible that refer to Sodom and/or Gormorrah refer to inhospaitality to others. Christ said the 2 greatest commandment are to love the Creator above all things and love thy neighbor as they self. On these 2 commandments depend all the laws of the prophets. Clearly the poeple of Sodom and/or Gomorrah broke the second most inportant commandment.

The following is a part from Bible scholar
The traditional concept of the sin of Sodom arises from the fact that the Hebrew word here translated as "to know" (yadha) is used by itself in ten places in the Old Testament to denote heterosexual intercourse. In five additional

texts it is used in conjunction with mishkabh (in this context, "to lie") to mean the same thing. But yadha appears by itself no less than 943 times in a nonsexual connotation, to simply mean "get acquainted with" or "learn of."



There is no Old Testament text in which yadha refers to homosexual coitus, with the single exception of this disputed Sodom and Gomorrah story in Genesis. The less ambiguous word shakhabh, however, is used for homosexual, heterosexual, and bestial intercourse. Shakhabh appears fifty times in the Old Testament; if it had been used instead of yadha in the Sodom story, the meaning of the text would have been unmistakable. As it is, we have no grounds to assume that the men of Sodom wanted to rape the visitors.



An alternate theory has been developed by some biblical scholars. Since yadha commonly means "to get acquainted with," the demand to "know" the visitors may well have implied some serious breach of the rules of hospitality. Several considerations provide support for this view.



In the first place, Lot was not a native of Sodom, but had the status of resident alien, or ger. As such, he may not have had the right to admit unidentified foreigners to the city. City gates were closed at night expressly to prevent lawless or subversive aliens from entering on unknown errands, and travelers carried credentials because they might at any time be asked to prove that they were abroad on legitimate business. Thus we might translate "Bring them out to us, that we might know them" a s "We wish to know whom you are bringing into our city" or (in the vernacular of WWII German movies) "Ve vant to see your papers!" Lot's refusal to turn his visitors over to this horde of vigilantes is totally in keeping with the then contemporary laws of etiquette, because in those days no civic police force protected strangers in a city. Any kind of robbery or physical abuse could have been meted out to the two angels if he had agreed to surrender them, but in his home they were safe. He was obliged to protect them as honored guests. It is certain that the Sodomites were demanding he violate the code of hospitality, but not AT ALL clear from the text that they were inclined to indulge in homosexual acts.



Lastly, even if the fundamentalists must insist (evidence to the contrary notwithstanding) that the men of Sodom wanted to have sex with the strangers, that's a matter of rape, not homosexual love. I think we can all agree that rape is right up there on the list of big sins, and further that it is an act of power, control, and violence, not of love between consenting adults.



There's another Old Testament passage that is relevant. The story is found in Judges 19:14-28. It bears a striking resemblance to the Sodom story -- a traveler arrives at the city (in this case, Gilbeah). There he meets an old man who is, like Lot, a resident alien. The old man warns the traveler that he should not stay in the town square, and he extends the hand of hospitality in accordance with Holy law, inviting the traveler to share his abode for the night. But the men of the city surround the old man's house and demand that the traveler be sent out so "that we may know him" (there's that "yadha" again). The old man refuses,but offers his virgin daughter and his concubine to the mob instead. When the crowd refuses the offer, the old man throws his concubine outside as a diversion, whereupon the "base fellows" in the mob rape and abuse her all night, leaving her dying at the threshhold. When the Israelites learn of the abuse of the concubine, they rise up against Gilbeah and, with God's help, destroy the city.



Here we have an instance almost identical to Sodom, in which a city is destroyed following inhospitality to strangers, and a clear case of rape. Except this time it was a heterosexual rape. Yet no one uses this story to imply God's condemnation of heterosexuality in general. It is specious, then, to suggest that the story of Sodom is instructional with regard to homosexuality in general.



Those who insist that Sodom was destroyed for homosexuality are denying the very Bible they claim to revere, and attempting to push a laden camel through the eye of a needle. They are required to make five outrageous leaps of faith: (1) homosexual love is equal to rape; (2) "yadha" meant homosexual acts only once or twice and something else 953 times; (2) all of the other references to Sodom's sins contained in the Bible are in error, incomplete, or obfuscatory; (4) the strict codes regarding hospitality and the safety of travelers were immaterial; and (5) the concubine of the man of Gilbeah was a male.


As I said find where Christ said anything about homosexuality. I did not say show me Corinthians which are the teaching of Paul I am not a Paulist or any other apositlist.


Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Matthew 5 11

Hi Vicky,

There was only a perfect One and that is Jesus. That's why He came. I am still a work in progress. But beyond any doubt I know in Whom I believe.


In Matthew 5:17 Jesus said “Don’t misunderstand why I have come; it isn’t to cancel the laws of Moses and the warnings of the prophets. No, I came to fulfill them, and to make them all come true. 18. With all the earnestness I have I say: Every law in the Book will continue until its purpose is achieved.


“Commentary: If Jesus did not come to cancel the law, does that mean all the Old Testament laws still apply to us today? In the Old Testament there were 3 categories of law: Ceremonial, Civil and Moral.



The Ceremonial law related specifically to Israel’s worship (Leviticus1: 2,3) its primary purpose was to point forward to Jesus Christ; these laws therefore, were no longer necessary after Jesus’ death and resurrection. While we are no longer bound by ceremonial laws, the principles behind them; to worship and love a holy God, still apply. The Civil law applied God’s law to daily living in Israel, Because modern society and culture are so radically different, all of these guidelines cannot be followed specifically. But the principles behind the commands are timeless and should guide our conduct. Jesus fulfilled these by example. The Moral law (for example The Ten Commandments) is the direct command of God and it requires strict obedience. It reveals the nature and will of God and it still applies today. Jesus obeyed the moral law completely.

Part of the laws of Moses, Jesus Christ referred to is found in Leviticus Chapter 18. In Verse 22: “Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden, for it is an enormous sin.



Commentary: Verse 18-27. Several abominations or wicked things are listed here: 1. Marrying close relatives. 2. having sex with someone else’s wife. 3. burning children, 4. homosexuality, 5. sex with animals.



These practices were quite common to pagan religions and it is easy to see why God dealt harshly with those who began to follow them. Such practices are not only a source of disease; more important, they are extremely disruptive to family and social life. They reveal a low regard for the value of oneself and of others.



Society today takes some of these practices lightly, even trying to make them acceptable. But they are sins in God’s eyes. If you consider them acceptable, you are not judging by God’s standards.”



(Source: Life Application Bible)



But even though the laws of Moses condemned us; Jesus said that through Him we can be saved, forgiven, accepted and have everlasting life. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life”



Throughout the Book of Matthew and the Old Testament, Jesus, taught us how to live, He was always loving, compassionate, forgiving and He also got angry and spoke with authority. With Him the difference is His message of love and salvation; wherever we find ourselves in life, He is prepared to show us the way through a personal relationship with Him.

Indeed Jesus spoke about Sodom & Gomorra and of the wicked Tyre and Sidon (cities known for their wickedness) Matthew 11:20-24 He promises rest for our soul 25-30

Previously you mentioned about the Eunuch, under the subject, but
The word eunuch in the old testament is [caric](pronounced saw-reece') meaning to be castrated. Kings and rulers would often use castrated men or eunuchs as people charged with the management and care of women's chambers (for obvious reasons). Since it would be impossible for them to have relations with the women under their care, they were the ideal guards. For this reason the word [caric] is also translated chamberlain in scripture. It illustrates those given charge of the bed chambers of women. For example:

Acts 8:27

"And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship," For a man to hold such authority in matters under the queen, he was a eunuch or a castrated man, illustrating he was no threat to lie with the queen or her female servants. This was the normal operation of one who was in position to deal with the women.

Are You His follower? Have you accepted Him as your personal Saviour?

Hi Prascilla In Matthew 5:17 Jesus said “Don’t misunderstand why I have come; it isn’t to cancel the laws of Moses and the warnings of the prophets. No, I came to fulfill them, and to make them all come true. 18. With all the earnestness I have I say: Every law in the Book will continue until its purpose is achieved.
To fulfill a mission to achieve a mission is the same thing. This is where your faith and mine differ. For you Christ came to fulfill the law and he did not achieve this yet. For me he did.
The question here is what is the purpose of the Holyness Code???

“Commentary: If Jesus did not come to cancel the law, does that mean all the Old Testament laws still apply to us today? In the Old Testament there were 3 categories of law: Ceremonial, Civil and Moral. If you judge by just 1 of these laws you must live by all of them. Judge not lest you be judged by the same measuer you judge others.
Chist him self broke the law in the Holyness Code. Christ heeled on the sabbath He gathered food. He even stopped a stoning of a women condemmend to death by the book of laws. If Christ was to up hold these laws he would have helped stone the woman. But in stead he taught He with out sin cast ther first stone.



The Ceremonial law related specifically to Israel’s worship (Leviticus1: 2,3) its primary purpose was to point forward to Jesus Christ; these laws therefore, were no longer necessary after Jesus’ death and resurrection. While we are no longer bound by ceremonial laws, the principles behind them; to worship and love a holy God, still apply. The Civil law applied God’s law to daily living in Israel, Because modern society and culture are so radically different, all of these guidelines cannot be followed specifically. If you can pick and chooes which laws you will follow so can we. But the principles behind the commands are timeless and should guide our conduct. Jesus fulfilled these by example. The Moral law (for example The Ten Commandments) is the direct command of God and it requires strict obedience. It reveals the nature and will of God and it still applies today. Jesus obeyed the moral law completely. Matthew 22 36-40 the 2 greatest commandments.
Part of the laws of Moses, Jesus Christ referred to is found in Leviticus Chapter 18. In Verse 22: “Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden, for it is an enormous sin.
Please point out where Christ refered to Leviticus 18


Commentary: Verse 18-27. Several abominations or wicked things are listed here: 1. Marrying close relatives. 2. having sex with someone else’s wife. 3. burning children, 4. homosexuality, 5. sex with animals. Still the Holyness Code not the teaching of Christ



These practices were quite common to pagan religions and it is easy to see why God dealt harshly with those who began to follow them. Such practices are not only a source of disease; more important, they are extremely disruptive to family and social life. They reveal a low regard for the value of oneself and of others. Most of which is done by so called stright people. Yes such as wife and child beating and and check out divorce. More heterosexuals have STDs than Homosexual.



Society today takes some of these practices lightly, even trying to make them acceptable. But they are sins in God’s eyes. If you consider them acceptable, you are not judging by God’s standards.” It is not my place to judge anyone Christ taught that I should treat people as I would want to be treated.



(Source: Life Application Bible)



But even though the laws of Moses condemned us; Jesus said that through Him we can be saved, forgiven, accepted and have everlasting life. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him( not the book) shall not perish but have everlasting life”


Throughout the Book of Matthew and the Old Testament, Jesus, taught us how to live, He was always loving, compassionate, forgiving and He also got angry and spoke with authority. Thats right he spoke out against the hypocrites in his Fathers house. With Him the difference is His message of love and salvation; wherever we find ourselves in life, He is prepared to show us the way through a personal relationship with Him. My relationship is not the same as yours each one is as different as we all are different.

Indeed Jesus spoke about Sodom & Gomorra and of the wicked Tyre and Sidon (cities known for their wickedness) Matthew 11:20-24 He promises rest for our soul 25-30 However there is no referance in the Bible to homosexuality and Sodom and Gomorrha.
would you like me to post all the sodom referances in the Bible and you point out which one referes to same sex love.

Previously you mentioned about the Eunuch, under the subject, but
The word eunuch in the old testament is [caric](pronounced saw-reece') meaning to be castrated. Read it again Matthew 19 11 12 Christ says those that are born that way. Kings and rulers would often use castrated men or eunuchs as people charged with the management and care of women's chambers (for obvious reasons). Since it would be impossible for them to have relations with the women under their care, they were the ideal guards. You better study up on human sexuality Humans that are born ambigous sexed can have orgasims. So can those who are castrated. It just takes more time. For this reason the word [caric] is also translated chamberlain in scripture. It illustrates those given charge of the bed chambers of women. For example: Have you ever seen a castreted male dog try to have sex with a female in heat? I have only thing the female dog was to small she he could not make connection. We also had a female dog that was fixed that tried to have sex with the same female dog. Csatreted dose not equal can't it equals not as intrested and being done differently. Even if there is erectal failuer orgasim can still be reached. Another point humans look for compamionship even eunuchs. Acts 8:27

"And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship," For a man to hold such authority in matters under the queen, he was a eunuch or a castrated man, illustrating he was no threat to lie with the queen or her female servants. This was the normal operation of one who was in position to deal with the women.
Thats nothing new in many cultuers transgender are held in high regaurd.

Are You His follower? Have you accepted Him as your personal Saviour?

Vicky,

Verse 22: “Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden, for it is an enormous sin.
Please point out where Christ refered to Leviticus 18

Let me repeat it, in the Book of Matthew he referred to/mentioned the laws of Moses. These laws are presented in Leviticus 18, Standards for the people. It says it clearly. 18:1 “The Lord then told Moses to tell the people of Israel", ……



Book of Leviticus, Author: Moses

(to Israel and later to the Gentiles also)


Commentary: Verse 18-27. Several abominations or wicked things are listed here: 1. Marrying close relatives. 2. having sex with someone else’s wife. 3. burning children, 4. homosexuality, 5. sex with animals. Still the Holyness Code not the teaching of Christ



Well, the Holyness Code was given to Moses by The Lord=Jehovah God, God The Father, God The Son, God The Holy Spirit. Jesus The Christ Son of God.



But even though the laws of Moses condemned us; Jesus said that through Him we can be saved, forgiven, accepted and have everlasting life. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him( not the book) shall not perish but have everlasting life”



The Book, The Bible is the Word of God written by men BUT inspired by God. Salvation is possible only by believing in Him (God The Father) through His Son Jesus Christ.



He is prepared to show us the way through a personal relationship with Him. My relationship is not the same as yours each one is as different as we all are different



You’re right; we are all different individuals and may not be at the same level or pace in our relationship, we may not even be on the same journey; and be of the same faith.



The word eunuch in the old testament is [caric](pronounced saw-reece') meaning to be castrated. Read it again Matthew 19 11 12 Christ says those that are born that way.



In Matthew 19:1-12 Jesus teaches about marriage and divorce, he is responding to the Pharisees question on divorce. 19:12 "Some are born without the ability to marry"......... Commentary: 19:12 Some have physical limitations that prevent their marrying, while others choose not to marry.



The physical disability He mentioned here does NOT necessarily mean “born without the male/female genitals”. There are other physical and emotional disabilities one can be born with that would make one unable to marry.

Are you His follower?......:walk: Have you accepted Him as your personal Saviour?

why does it matter? Im not gay or anything, but christians (and yes i consider myself one) do alot of things that the bible says is wrong, every single day! We are not jesus.

Hi Priscilla I am not saying its not in the Holyness Code. It most diffenetly is.
Let me repeat it, in the Book of Matthew he referred to/mentioned the laws of Moses. These laws are presented in Leviticus 18, Standards for the people. It says it clearly. 18:1 “The Lord then told Moses to tell the people of Israel", ……
Let me repeat my question Which chapter and verse did Christ refer to the laws of Moses???


Book of Leviticus, Author: Moses

(to Israel and later to the Gentiles also)
Leviticus 27 34 These are the commandments, which the Lord commanded Moses for the childern of Israel in the mount Si nai.
Well, the Holyness Code was given to Moses by The Lord=Jehovah God, God The Father, God The Son, God The Holy Spirit. Jesus The Christ Son of God.
Let me repeat my question
What is the purpose of the Holyness Code? Not who gave it to Moses.


But even though the laws of Moses condemned us; Jesus said that through Him we can be saved, forgiven, accepted and have everlasting life. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him( not the book) shall not perish but have everlasting life”


The Book, The Bible is the Word of God written by men BUT inspired by God. Salvation is possible only by believing in Him (God The Father) through His Son Jesus Christ.
Do you have proof that the Creator inspired the Bible?? Or was it men that wanted power and control.
Christ also said in Matthew 19 8 He said unto them. Moses because of the hardness of your harts suffered you to put away your wives; But from the begining this was not so.
Here it clearly states that Moses did this not the Creator which also proves Moses did things without the Creators approval.

Who is responsible for the first Cannonized Bible? I will give you clue he was Pagen and an Roman to boot. He changed the date of Christ birth to suit the pagen holyday for the winter solstice. He even added Easter which is a pagen holyday for the goddess Ester goddess of fertility bunny rabbits and the easter egg. Also changed the date of Christ death to suit this holyday.

The word eunuch in the old testament is [caric](pronounced saw-reece') meaning to be castrated. Read it again Matthew 19 11 12 Christ says those that are born that way.

In Matthew 19:1-12 Jesus teaches about marriage and divorce, he is responding to the Pharisees question on divorce. 19:12 "Some are born without the ability to marry"......... Commentary: 19:12 Some have physical limitations that prevent their marrying, while others choose not to marry.

The physical disability He mentioned here does NOT necessarily mean “born without the male/female genitals”. There are other physical and emotional disabilities one can be born with that would make one unable to marry.
Such as gender preciption. It does not say a eunuch can't be a husband or a wife. It does say He who can recive it let him recive it.

As I said before you need to study up on human biology sexuality and fetal development.
I will repeat this how would Christ who knew the future tell people about the space shuttle?? Christ had to talk and teach in trems that the people could understand back then.
Are you His follower?......:walk: Have you accepted Him as your personal Saviour?

"I am still a work in progress until the day I see Him face to face, without any doubt I know in Whom I believe"

Hi Vicky,

In my search I came across this other review I want to share with you. I appreciate your insights on this subject and like you and many others understanding such complicated issues would be even fractionally getting there. Our limited understanding though will be no more in eternity.!

Although I don't fully comprehend all things; I do know who Christ is for my life.


"Take the example of what Jesus says in Matthew chapter 19:
Matthew 19:12

"For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him RECEIVE It." Jesus says there will be no sexual union for many reasons, and He lists some of them. He says some people will not have sexual union at all as they are born without the ability to be in union with a woman (as from birth defects or being sexually impotent). In other words, because of physical circumstances.

Others will never have sexual union because man has taken upon himself to make him that way. Either by castration by design to be chamberlains, or as slaves were, by cruelty, or in our day perhaps for medical reasons.

Others will never have sexual union for the Kingdom of God's sake. In other words, like Paul (Who wished that all were as he, Unmarried - 1st Cor 7:7). Those who remain unmarried for the Kingdom of God's sake do so by design to place all the emphasis on Christ, and not caring for a wife. So we have all sorts of reasons why one would have no sexual union. God never intended that all would get married, therefore, it is not a failure or a cause for despair that one remains unmarried, it very well may be a special calling of God or something which is for the best.

And so yes, Jesus says in matthew, it's not for everyone to have sexual union in marriage and receive his command not to divorce, but to he who can receive this, let them receive it. He who will never marry cannot receive this Jesus says, but to he who does marry it is "till death do them part". Therefore, to them, these words of Christ about divorce and two flesh being one, apply.

Those who attempt to have this word eunuch mean homosexuality, actually have Jesus saying here that some were born "homosexuals" for the kingdom of God's sake. That is a ludicrous and quite blasphemous statement for man to make. And just another example of the rationalizations of man, and proof that these eunuchs cannot be homosexuals.

So the question now becomes, how is it that so many today think that these verses which speak of eunuchs are talking about homosexuality? The answer is the "political correctness" which is sweeping the world. It's the way of the world today which turns everything upside down, esteeming bad as good, and good as bad. That makes quoted scripture evil legalism and un-compassionate, but smooth words of nullification as good christian compassion. That makes those who witness to truth the bad guys, and those who say "ye are all saved and ye shall have peace" loving and Christlike. Sadly, sloppy exegesis mixed with carnal or humanistic thinking has also brought these abominable ideas right into some churches. Many today just don't care what the Word of God says, they just want to be called Christian and live in peace with the world. They just are too deceived to understand that peace with the world, is enmity with God.

Isaiah 4:1

"And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach". To be called Christian, and yet not put on His apparel, is not to be Christian at all. It's to not have your reproach taken away, though you be called by His name all the day long! And in our day, many are called by his name, but refuse to put on the robe of the righteousness of Christ. They want their own apparel. It is for this reason abominations like (supposed) compassion for Homosexuals has come up into our Churches, and that ideas like "eunuchs must be homosexuals" have found place there. But there is no Biblical warrant for, and ample warrant against such conclusions. "

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Hi Vicky,

In my search I came across this other review I want to share with you. I appreciate your insights on this subject and like you and many others understanding such complicated issues would be even fractionally getting there. Our limited understanding though will be no more in eternity.!

Although I don't fully comprehend all things; I do know who Christ is for my life.
With that said do think we have the right to discrimanate against a person because they are different????? Do you think is right to up keep laws that discrimanate against people who are different. Remember beliving in Christ is Faith. Faith is something we belive to be fact with out proof. You have yours I have mine and others have theirs. Who are you or I or any group no matter how big to impose the rules of our faith on some one who does not share our faith. This is wrong. How would you feel if you lived under the Taliban???

"Take the example of what Jesus says in Matthew chapter 19:
Matthew 19:12


"For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him RECEIVE It." Jesus says there will be no sexual union for many reasons,I have never read this in Christ teachings this is your interpratation. and He lists some of them. I He says some people will not have sexual union at all as they are born without the ability to be in union with a woman (as from birth defects or being sexually impotent). In other words, because of physical circumstances. In Matthew 19 11-12 Christ never said a eunuch can't have sex or sexual satafacstion. You just assume this on your defanition of eunuch.

Others will never have sexual union because man has taken upon himself to make him that way. Either by castration by design to be chamberlains, or as slaves were, by cruelty, or in our day perhaps for medical reasons. Again you assume that a castreted male can't have sex or orgasim. Wake up call they can.

Others will never have sexual union for the Kingdom of God's sake. In other words, like Paul (Who wished that all were as he, Unmarried - 1st Cor 7:7). Those who remain unmarried for the Kingdom of God's sake do so by design to place all the emphasis on Christ, and not caring for a wife. So we have all sorts of reasons why one would have no sexual union. God never intended that all would get married, therefore, it is not a failure or a cause for despair that one remains unmarried, it very well may be a special calling of God or something which is for the best. And so yes, Jesus says in matthew, it's not for everyone to have sexual union in marriage and receive his command not to divorce, but to he who can receive this, let them receive it. Are you trying to say that Christ said because you can't have sex in marrage you can't get a divorce???? Because you are eunuch you can't get married and you can't get a divorce???? He who will never marry cannot receive this Jesus says, but to he who does marry it is "till death do them part". Therefore, to them, these words of Christ about divorce and two flesh being one, apply.
Matthew 19 11 But he said unto them, All men can not receive this saying. Save those to whom it is given. Not all men can understand this except thoes to whom it is given. Another words you so called normal people have no way of preceiving what it is to be Eunuch transgendered transexual.

Those who attempt to have this word eunuch mean homosexuality, actually have Jesus saying here that some were born "homosexuals" for the kingdom of God's sake. That is a ludicrous and quite blasphemous as it was blasphemous to say lefthanded people where born that way. by the way so called Christians mudered hundredsof thousands of people for being left handed. statement for man to make. And just another example of the rationalizations of man, and proof that these eunuchs cannot be homosexuals.
Hi Priscilla
Let me make it clear again.
I never said or implied that eunuch = homosexuality
Eunuch = ambiguous sex a human born with genatalia not clearly male or female.
And that medical science has discovered that the same hormones in the womb that develop a human with ambiguous sex develop the brain the same way. And there are those humans born with normal genitalia but have ambiguous gender. (sex is between your legs and gender is between your ears)
Which would then equal a human with gender dysphoria aka transgender.
Now I also said that there are those in medical science that feel this is how a homosexual is developed.

How is it we have left handed people???

Now how would Christ explain this to the people back then? They had no clue about blood type much less hormones. They were just starting use iron and the wheel.

So the question now becomes, how is it that so many today think that these verses which speak of eunuchs are talking about homosexuality? The answer is the "political correctness" which is sweeping the world. It's the way of the world today which turns everything upside down, esteeming bad as good, and good as bad. That makes quoted scripture evil legalism and un-compassionate, but smooth words of nullification as good christian compassion. That makes those who witness to truth the bad guys, and those who say "ye are all saved and ye shall have peace" loving and Christlike. Sadly, sloppy exegesis mixed with carnal or humanistic thinking has also brought these abominable ideas right into some churches. Many today just don't care what the Word of God says, they just want to be called Christian and live in peace with the world. They just are too deceived to understand that peace with the world, is enmity with God.

Isaiah 4:1

"And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach". To be called Christian, and yet not put on His apparel, is not to be Christian at all. It's to not have your reproach taken away, though you be called by His name all the day long! And in our day, many are called by his name, but refuse to put on the robe of the righteousness of Christ. They want their own apparel. It is for this reason abominations like (supposed) compassion for Homosexuals has come up into our Churches, and that ideas like "eunuchs must be homosexuals" have found place there. But there is no Biblical warrant for, and ample warrant against such conclusions. "

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