Ever since Bishop Niel Ellis has been accused of giving directions to his congregation as to how they ought to have voted in the 2002 General Election , individuals all over the Bahamas have been criticizing and condemning Bishop Ellis for having the will and fortitude to carry out his spiritual obligation as a church leader. Ironically, other church leaders from different denominations were involve in Mr Ellis' condemnation as well, which in my opinion is drastically and spiritually wrong. Nevertheless, if the church is serious about winning the war against satin, they need to support Bishop Ellis and be on one accord on this fundamental issue.

On the other hand however, the politician who seems to be vex and most critical about this matter only deals with the political aspect of the “man” which is very deceptive; and the church who are obligated to deal with the whole “man” is being criticized.

In my opinion and sincere belief, The church mission is to deal with the mind, body and soul; and by extension: spiritually, socially, economically and politically

Ever since Bishop Niel Ellis has been accused of giving directions to his congregation as to how they ought to have voted in the 2002 General Election , individuals all over the Bahamas have been criticizing and condemning Bishop Ellis for having the will and fortitude to carry out his spiritual obligation as a church leader. Ironically, other church leaders from different denominations were involve in Mr Ellis' condemnation as well, which in my opinion is drastically and spiritually wrong. Nevertheless, if the church is serious about winning the war against satin, they need to support Bishop Ellis and be on one accord on this fundamental issue.






On the other hand however, the politician who seems to be vex and most critical about this matter only deals with the political aspect of the “man” which is very deceptive; and the church who are obligated to deal with the whole “man” is being

criticized.



In my opinion and sincere belief, The church mission is to deal with the mind, body and soul; and by extension: spiritually, socially, economically and politically
Niel Ellis does not even try to live as Christ did. I don't think Christ would build a huge Church while there are homeless. Not to mention the huge house.

Be careful of this man he talks the talk but he does not walk the walk.

Ever since Bishop Niel Ellis has been accused of giving directions to his congregation as to how they ought to have voted in the 2002 General Election , individuals all over the Bahamas have been criticizing and condemning Bishop Ellis for having the will and fortitude to carry out his spiritual obligation as a church leader. Ironically, other church leaders from different denominations were involve in Mr Ellis' condemnation as well, which in my opinion is drastically and spiritually wrong. Nevertheless, if the church is serious about winning the war against satin, they need to support Bishop Ellis and be on one accord on this fundamental issue.

On the other hand however, the politician who seems to be vex and most critical about this matter only deals with the political aspect of the “man” which is very deceptive; and the church who are obligated to deal with the whole “man” is being criticized.

In my opinion and sincere belief, The church mission is to deal with the mind, body and soul; and by extension: spiritually, socially, economically and politically

helen are you jealous of the bishop.

Ever since Bishop Niel Ellis has been accused of giving directions to his congregation as to how they ought to have voted in the 2002 General Election , individuals all over the Bahamas have been criticizing and condemning Bishop Ellis for having the will and fortitude to carry out his spiritual obligation as a church leader. Ironically, other church leaders from different denominations were involve in Mr Ellis' condemnation as well, which in my opinion is drastically and spiritually wrong. Nevertheless, if the church is serious about winning the war against satin, they need to support Bishop Ellis and be on one accord on this fundamental issue.

On the other hand however, the politician who seems to be vex and most critical about this matter only deals with the political aspect of the “man” which is very deceptive; and the church who are obligated to deal with the whole “man” is being criticized.

In my opinion and sincere belief, The church mission is to deal with the mind, body and soul; and by extension: spiritually, socially, economically and politically

to me, there is no law agaisnt what he did, or does, in fact, it is up to him, and his congregation who took him serious.
the catholic church has been deciding elections all over europe and the united states.
which is not the best way a church should be run, becasue it takes time away from salvation, but if he decides to watse his time, then it is on him!

laters!

helen are you jealous of the bishop.
I am not Helen I am Vicky. I give Helen credit for her quote.

I am in no way Jealous of the bishop or any other church leader especially those that get rich using religion.
Just saw in the punch that Ellise is going to spend 4.5 million to expand his church. Please show me in the Bible where Christ taught to erect buildings to worship him in while there are homeless and hungry.

i actually agree with vicky on this point. This is why i gave up on religion. people often gets that confused with athiesm but it's not. i just dont adhere to the rules that man created. when i bring up the point of the church not being a physical structure and it being one of a spiritual nature it always stirs up emotions.

he is a moron, and his followers are lacking intelligence following this maniac! He will take them all to hell, not heaven...

'nough said!

he is a moron, and his followers are lacking intelligence following this maniac! He will take them all to hell, not heaven...

'nough said!

moron??
:hammer:

ruling from the webmaster council of order!!
:hammer: :hammer:

is calling bishop ellis a MORON acceptable??

the crowd awaits the descision!
:friday:

you ARE kidding, ain't ya, y2kbad?

In this I have to agree that before a 'church' builds another building that it should make sure that it is out in the communities serving the needs of the people.

A 'church' is really the people belonging to a certain religion and the main purpose of the 'church' is to be in service to the needs of people in the communities. Emphasis have to be made to ensure that the 'whole' of a person in need of service is met before any 'church' invest its monies elsewhere. No religion needs to have an expensive beautiful looking building to attract people. They need to search inside themselves to beautify their hearts and souls to minister to the needy and be of a giving spirit instead of displacing it where it is not going to do anything for an individuals soul.

To me, investing in a building before investing in the basic needs for the poor and inflicted is not what true religion is all about. I do believe in God, The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and everyday I ask myself, 'What would Jesus do'?? And another thing that I always try to remember is this, How do I want to be treated, what would I be most concerned with if I was in need? What are the Pros and Cons of each decision I make today? What is better for the person's livelihood?
As Christians, are we to build temples for admiration or are we to be in service to the needy and afflicted? Yes, it is good to have a building to house the people but what should come first?? I pray that each of us be guided in our daily lives and be of service to the best of our abilities and see that what we do makes a difference to someone's lives in their time of need.
Each morning I wake, I think and pray to myself for direction in being of service, unselfishly to others and that what I may do to help them will give them hope for their tomorrow. Living my life as I feel that I am guided by the Holy Spirit.

.......In my opinion and sincere belief, The church mission is to deal with the mind, body and soul; and by extension: spiritually, socially, economically and politically

The church's mission is to deal with the soul! Once the soul is properly informed all the rest will follow as naturally and as gracefully as the night follows the day.

he is a moron, and his followers are lacking intelligence following this maniac! He will take them all to hell, not heaven...

'nough said!

Here is 1 thing I disagree with. I do not believe the Creator condemns anyone for ignorance. How can you blame some one for stealing if they have been taught stealing is right their whole lives.

In this I have to agree that before a 'church' builds another building that it should make sure that it is out in the communities serving the needs of the people.

A 'church' is really the people belonging to a certain religion and the main purpose of the 'church' is to be in service to the needs of people in the communities. Emphasis have to be made to ensure that the 'whole' of a person in need of service is met before any 'church' invest its monies elsewhere. No religion needs to have an expensive beautiful looking building to attract people. They need to search inside themselves to beautify their hearts and souls to minister to the needy and be of a giving spirit instead of displacing it where it is not going to do anything for an individuals soul.

To me, investing in a building before investing in the basic needs for the poor and inflicted is not what true religion is all about. I do believe in God, The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and everyday I ask myself, 'What would Jesus do'?? And another thing that I always try to remember is this, How do I want to be treated, what would I be most concerned with if I was in need? What are the Pros and Cons of each decision I make today? What is better for the person's livelihood?
As Christians, are we to build temples for admiration or are we to be in service to the needy and afflicted? Yes, it is good to have a building to house the people but what should come first?? I pray that each of us be guided in our daily lives and be of service to the best of our abilities and see that what we do makes a difference to someone's lives in their time of need.
Each morning I wake, I think and pray to myself for direction in being of service, unselfishly to others and that what I may do to help them will give them hope for their tomorrow. Living my life as I feel that I am guided by the Holy Spirit.

Hi Ejluv looks like you have had a change of heart. I say keep it up I am beginning to think there is hope for all humans.
This is what you posted before. You have come a long way.


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03-10-04, - 02:26 PM
Ejluv
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Re: what the pastor does with tithes is none of our bussiness!!!
1 Please point out in the Bible where Christ said to build buildings in his name and call them church’s
2 Does you father’s church have a lock on the door so as to stop the poor from finding shelter? If Christ owned the building would there be a lock on the door?
3How hard is it to do a collection and give it to the poorest person there. You pass the basket find a poor person and give it to them simple. No group needed.
4 So you are saying the tithe was/is collected differently from the free will offering. What would Christ have done with the free will offering?????
5 Matthew 6 1-8 you do not need a church to pray, you do not need a congregation to pray with or in front of.


Answers to questions

1. Thank the Almighty for us to have minds to think with. "Church" given the name of any group of people that gather together in the same religion to share their doctrines and fellowship with each other. The buildings..be it hut, tents, thatched roof or whatever were put in place to give comfort and shelter from the environments. Like any business, the more monies taken in the more they can afford to build a place of worship and offer the community and their members better benefits..i.e. food, clothing, schooling, child care, and even sometimes with shelter/utility costs. Some people feel that you don't have to attend church and that is their decision but the 'church' is there to strengthen them, to share spiritually, and to rejoice. It is like a renewal of your spirit. Being able to come and rejuvenate yourselves, together.
2. There use to be a time when houses and churches could leave their doors wide open and all that needed comfort and shelter could enter in and recieve open arms and a warm hello. It was wonderful!!! Do you remember those days??? Sad to say, but those days are gone! All of us wish that wasn't the case but there are 'evil-doers' that come in and steal, destroy, and even murder!!! I am sure you know that because of these reasons many of us have had to locked up when we are not there and even some of us have to lock up even if we are at home. A church will generally have a phone number or address to where the 'poor' or person in need can come to or call for assistance. I know of many times when someone would call and express the desire to be inside the church that my father or another member of the church would go and open the doors for that person to enter in and would be there to assist them in their time of need. Like many pastors that I have known they are willing to go anywhere there is a need at any time day or night. Some people could not attend church services or social meetings and we would take those meetings and services to them.
3. With this, It does happen more than you would ever imagine. By word of mouth and/or someone knowing that a certain family/individual is in need of assistance that plate has been passed and the monies collected have been given to that purpose! My father would never draw anyone out of the crowd but just announce to the people that it has come to the church's attention that there is a dire need and wouldn't actually have to go into detail about it all but would ask that all that could please assist by giving what they could. In all matters of monies collected there would always be the trustees that would collect and count the money and give it to the person in an envelope. Good will offerings are seperate from any other collections made. Tithes are used to cover church specifics just like your paycheck has to be spread out to cover all the expenses that you have. But basically, all the monies collected within the church are used to help spread the word of God.
4. Now that one!! I have to laugh in a way because if you have never been in a pastor's life and seen the many hours of work that they honestly put into the community and what monies are collected and given to the pastor is always used for the purpose of serving the community. My father would use the money to fix the car or use the money for gas that would help him to get out into the community. He had a habit of having spare clothing in the car for if he ran into a person that stated that they didn't have anything decent to wear to church and were self conscience about their clothing.. he would pull out clothing and give them a nice church outfit. Another thing, you have to remember that pastors are human beings with their own set of problems and they also need time to relax and have time for themselves. Sometimes, after years of service and the people that attended the church knowing that 'their' pastor had not taken time out for a vacation would collect a good will offering to be used for the sole purpose of helping let him know how much they appreciated him and recognized that even he needed that time to himself.
5. No, you do not need a church to pray and I sure hope that any of us knows how to pray without being inside a church or a gathering of people. Again, the purpose of the church is to help with reviving your soul and of 'mingling' with fellow worshippers. It helps to have the church for spiritual guidance. As with any religion there are many people that are at a certain point in that religion and the church members are there as support. A church can consist of you and another person. The bottom line, when you are not around a certain thing or don't keep in touch with certain people it is hard to know what is going on and alot of people lose sight or stray away. It is for the sole purpose of keeping us in touch with our religious beliefs and the moralities of our religion. No matter how many people in the church, you own personal relationship with God is between you and God. How you live your life is important to your spiritual being. Why do you go to any social event? Why do you belong to organizations? Why do you hang out with that certain 'group' of people? Because they do something that helps you... so there is your answer.

Neil Ellis is a dangerous man...beware of him! A most ungodly soul who is leading others astray with his vitriol from the pulpit. Listening to a screaming whirling dervish on a Sunday (or any other day) is a very ugly way to establish a relationship with God.

Amen