If a child is being excessively unruly, I say call their parents to come and remove them off school property. Do not allow them back into the classroom. I feel sorry for our educators who have to deal with the stress of unruly kids, on top of having to teach. Put the buggers out, and you will be surprised at how quickly the attitudes of many lazy parents will change when they realize their child has been put out of school and may not be able to return.


I say different. I say, unless they have committed a crime, I say we should converge on them and keep them in school longer.
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It's about time we stop washing our hands clean on our kids, and surround them with positivity.
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We need to get our kids right, and we need to secure their future.
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These at risk kids, need attention and extra-supervision, not to be discarded because we can not control them.
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They are our kids to control, they do not control us.
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I say different. I say, unless they have committed a crime, I say we should converge on them and keep them in school longer.
:hammer:
It's about time we stop washing our hands clean on our kids, and surround them with positivity.
:hammer:
We need to get our kids right, and we need to secure their future.
:hammer:
These at risk kids, need attention and extra-supervision, not to be discarded because we can not control them.
:hammer:
They are our kids to control, they do not control us.
:hammer:


They are their parents' kids to control. It is unfair for a teacher to be expected to control a child that their parents are either unable or unwilling to control. What we need is accountability by parents. The recent child protection bill is a start but we have a long way to go.

I say different. I say, unless they have committed a crime, I say we should converge on them and keep them in school longer.
:hammer:
It's about time we stop washing our hands clean on our kids, and surround them with positivity.
:hammer:
We need to get our kids right, and we need to secure their future.
:hammer:
These at risk kids, need attention and extra-supervision, not to be discarded because we can not control them.
:hammer:
They are our kids to control, they do not control us.
:hammer:


All of what you say needs to occur in the home with PARENTS. If it did, these kids would more than likely not be acting out when they come to school. We need to create an environment of learning again in our public schools, and rid ourselves of this fearful one created by overly rude and violent kids and retaliating parents. It is becoming too much of a burden on our educators.

These unruly kids need to be seperated from the general school population, so they are not a distraction (bully, mischief maker, class disrupter) to other kids who desperately want to learn and progress. These unruly delinquent kids need special attention that many cannot receive within the general school setting.

All of what you say needs to occur in the home with PARENTS. If it did, these kids would more than likely not be acting out when they come to school. We need to create an environment of learning again in our public schools, and rid ourselves of this fearful one created by overly rude and violent kids and retaliating parents. It is becoming too much of a burden on our educators.
These unruly kids need to be seperated from the general school population, so they are not a distraction (bully, mischief maker, class disrupter) to other kids who desperately want to learn and progress. These unruly delinquent kids need special attention that many cannot receive within the general school setting.



I agree with Teniel that many of these kids need to be removed from the general school population. Its just not a distraction to other kids eager to learn but is also a distraction for the educators. I think the problem stems from a disconnect from 'old school' education to 'new school' education. We continue to believe that without implementing change and upgrading our educational system everything will continue to operate smoothly. We all can agree that our problem as Bahamians is change. The current educational system needs complete restructuring because it has failed us for too long. Like other members pointed out, parents have to take more responsibility for their children because it is not the educators job to discipline a child. If we were to have a disciplinary programme for unruly children during school hours it would significantly reduce unnecessary distractions.

All of what you say needs to occur in the home with PARENTS. If it did, these kids would more than likely not be acting out when they come to school. We need to create an environment of learning again in our public schools, and rid ourselves of this fearful one created by overly rude and violent kids and retaliating parents. It is becoming too much of a burden on our educators.
These unruly kids need to be seperated from the general school population, so they are not a distraction (bully, mischief maker, class disrupter) to other kids who desperately want to learn and progress. These unruly delinquent kids need special attention that many cannot receive within the general school setting.


The fact you are missing is, they can not be controlled by the parents. That is the thing.
How can you train an adult, when you can not even break a child. Why would you want a wayward parent, to learn to "look" like they can control their kids?
With that, wayward parents have just as much to do with an Economic problem, than it is to do with bad mind. With that, attaching the issue of bad parents, to bad kids can become problematic because they are not linking issues.

This is the part of the problem, you just can not grasp. Because, you are from a spoiled mindset if I am so good, virtuous and holier than thou...others should be the same and do as I know what is best that I do.

Falk that. When parents are incapable of giving their kids the extra, the state and society needs to step and make sure that they have that privilege. Education is the one linking point, where we can get at kids who have wayward parents. This world is un-even. In this imperfect world, not everyone has decent parents liek you Teniel, or do they have the common sense to understand how to maintain a child. These things are unfortunate. Ostrasizing a child, who NEEDS to learn about social graces and social training, does this society a dis-service. Only an arrogant fool who believes in his or her own superior lifetyle, would NOT be able to grasp that.....
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Surely you are not one of them....no?
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I am not for throwing our kids away...
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I am not for allowing failed parents, do more damage to their kids...
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The issue has to be tackled from two sides, not a one sided approach...
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Kids need to be trained, if the parents are incapable, then we should step in as decent human beings and provide that...
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The child is only as healthy as his society...Poor kids, reflect a breakdown on all of falking us. It takes a village to raise a child, and each individual is linked to us, because the system we provide in our society dictates how people should behave and react.
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We need to converge on our kids, and save them from themselves and from their "imperfect" home lives...
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This arrogance and snotty self approval attitude of what people should be, because it is what I am needs to falking stop...
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We need to start protecting the children, and quit prosecuting and persecuting them, which deepens the problem....
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The education system can work. In fact, I am trying to save you from your own self Teniel. With your approach, in 10 years time they will be raping your kitty, because they have TRULY no care for you, because when you had a chance to instil the graces, care and respect for property and individual, because of the fact that their parents were wayward, you chose to cut them out of the system entirely. We need to get on it harder now, accept that we have a cycle of bad seeds, that will continue if we let it steep by allowing the cycle of anti-social behavior continue.

Why in the world, would you want to reinforce bad behavior, by sending a kid into the world of animals whee he comes from?
That does not make sense.

We can do better. I thought Commisioner Farquhason was being a iron azz military man when he said this in a meeting..."we need to surround these kids"...and he is falking right.

It takes a village to raise a child. People from your ivory tower TENIEL we do NOT need. But, you are allowed to throw verbal stones, and I am glad your ivory tower is HOPEFULLY the closest you would get to policy making.
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:rolleyes: LoL @ yk2bad

:rolleyes: LoL @ yk2bad


Man can I rant.
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when i went to school in the bahamas people got beat all the time. it made us better people, and dare i say that it would make for a better bahamas.

perhaps if the child in question was behaving himself he wouldna got struck.

The fact you are missing is, they can not be controlled by the parents. That is the thing.
How can you train an adult, when you can not even break a child. Why would you want a wayward parent, to learn to "look" like they can control their kids?
With that, wayward parents have just as much to do with an Economic problem, than it is to do with bad mind. With that, attaching the issue of bad parents, to bad kids can become problematic because they are not linking issues.

This thread is dealing with one side of a complicated jigsaw puzzle of social problems in this country. Many different approaches (including the one I suggested) can be used to tackle this bigger than life problem we have here in the Bahamas. Bad parenting IS an issue in wayward kids, and THAT is another issue that needs a different angle. I still say remove the excessively rude and violent kids from the system. We need to take a utilitarian approach to this in my opinion.


This is the part of the problem, you just can not grasp. Because, you are from a spoiled mindset if I am so good, virtuous and holier than thou...others should be the same and do as I know what is best that I do.

Dont get your french cut panties in a knot because I make YOU feel inferior about YOURSELF. Don't try to study who I am or how I grew up by my posts. I can gurantee that you are not that smart, no matter how much you rant on.


Falk that. When parents are incapable of giving their kids the extra, the state and society needs to step and make sure that they have that privilege.

Parents also need to acknowledge and take care of their responsibility, instead of having them wander the streets during school hours and after hours. There is only so much society can do to make one a good and conscientious parent. You couldnt pay some people to be good parents.


Education is the one linking point, where we can get at kids who have wayward parents.
Absolutely! However what you fail to realize is that these wayward kids need attention. The kind of attention that they cannot get in an overcrowded classroom and the teacher is trying to cater to them and everyone else. If we are truly serious about targetting these kids in a positive way, we have to commit ourself to giving them the attention that they need, but not at the expense of other kids. As well discipline will have to be in that mix, one cannot let bad behaviour slide. There has to be balance in that regard.

This world is un-even. In this imperfect world, not everyone has decent parents liek you Teniel, or do they have the common sense to understand how to maintain a child. These things are unfortunate. Ostrasizing a child, who NEEDS to learn about social graces and social training, does this society a dis-service. Only an arrogant fool who believes in his or her own superior lifetyle, would NOT be able to grasp that.....
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Surely you are not one of them....no?
No I am not, but I dont need to ask you the same question. You have already proved that in the affirmative.


I am not for throwing our kids away...

Don't then. Obviously no one threw you away, cord and all. So everyone else is as least worth saving.


I am not for allowing failed parents, do more damage to their kids...

Not all of these parents are the drudges of society. They simply need a harsh wakeup call to transition their failure into a success. Simple things they overlook in their parenting approach.


The issue has to be tackled from two sides, not a one sided approach...


Agreed.

Kids need to be trained, if the parents are incapable, then we should step in as decent human beings and provide that...

Not every parent is incapable. We need to force more parents to submit to their roles, or else society will break under the weight of trying to do their job.

The child is only as healthy as his society...

And the family is the frame work and foundation of society.


This arrogance and snotty self approval attitude of what people should be, because it is what I am needs to falking stop...

And you need to quit it with the gutter language. You are the one acting arrogant and snotty. How many wayward kids have you taken from their wayward parents and raised?



The education system can work. In fact, I am trying to save you from your own self Teniel.

No thanks, I think you will be busy with thine self.

With your approach, in 10 years time they will be raping your kitty, because they have TRULY no care for you, because when you had a chance to instil the graces, care and respect for property and individual, because of the fact that their parents were wayward, you chose to cut them out of the system entirely.

The more you talk, maybe you were a wayward abused child who raped his mothers kitty. Get help son, and let go of the past. I certainly didnt push you into your misery.


It takes a village to raise a child.
Absolutely, I just dont agree that the entire village should have to go up in smoke for it.


People from your ivory tower TENIEL we do NOT need. But, you are allowed to throw verbal stones, and I am glad your ivory tower is HOPEFULLY the closest you would get to policy making.
:)


Think again, you may just be answering to me one of these days :hammer:

If a child is being excessively unruly, I say call their parents to come and remove them off school property. Do not allow them back into the classroom. I feel sorry for our educators who have to deal with the stress of unruly kids, on top of having to teach. Put the buggers out, and you will be surprised at how quickly the attitudes of many lazy parents will change when they realize their child has been put out of school and may not be able to return.


it is clear u r not an educator or are related to any (at least bahamian educators) and u call me disconnected. this teachers have problems gettin this people to pick up a piece of paper in the form of a report card and u think they will speed down there to pick up stinkin rude dutty chirren!?

alot of these people use the schools as baby sittin service. the parents wont care if the child is kicked out and never returned to school and the child most def wont care.

then if u have all these stinkin dutty rude chirren not in school and not being supervised by their parents the public has to deal with them. now u will have these stinkin dutty rude chirren roamin bay street and residencial area's harrasin tourist and breakin into peoples house's.

unfortunately my dear these teacher and principals are the last frontier for dicisipline for many of the brats who are the products of hood rats.

I appluad these educators efforts to instill discipline in these chirren which in turns helps them to bahave accourdingly in society later on.

its very simple: BEHAVE UR SELF AND U WONT GET UR HIP TEAR UP. I know thats what I did so my principal didnt drag me in front of assembly or my class for a flogging.

what happened in this case was an accident.

suck teet. i could neva go home tellin my ma i got my hand broke while tryin to deflect a canning from the principal cuase that would be a next cut skin. then to the doctor office (hell she might have made me work off the bill with chores)

now thats parenting

This thread is dealing with one side of a complicated jigsaw puzzle of social problems in this country. Many different approaches (including the one I suggested) can be used to tackle this bigger than life problem we have here in the Bahamas. Bad parenting IS an issue in wayward kids, and THAT is another issue that needs a different angle.
Blah blah blah blabbersmith. I thought you had the answers. Just remove the kids, fix the parents. NOW all of a sudden, its a complicated jigsaw puzzle.
Jokes!
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I still say remove the excessively rude and violent kids from the system.
Who will deem excessive?
With that, this is what they HAVE been doing, with no results. So are you saying, more of the same?
Your way has not worked. It is obvious.

We need to take a utilitarian approach to this in my opinion.
Big verds. Utilitarian is the mode we have been using. Is it better?
Those same kids, we ostrasize will be the same kids, with no training, who will be succeptible to breed effectively. Utilitarian does not fix the problem.

Dont get your french cut panties in a knot because I make YOU feel inferior about YOURSELF. Don't try to study who I am or how I grew up by my posts. I can gurantee that you are not that smart, no matter how much you rant on.
Pissy little girl. LOL...
Obfuscating the issue now?
What about the complex jigsaw puzzle, we were trying to re-create?

Parents also need to acknowledge and take care of their responsibility, instead of having them wander the streets during school hours and after hours. There is only so much society can do to make one a good and conscientious parent. You couldnt pay some people to be good parents.
blah blah blah soapfrigginbox.
Get off of it.
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Absolutely! However what you fail to realize is that these wayward kids need attention.
I fail to realize?
You can NOT be reading my posts. Proof that you are a bottom feeder.
Re-read my post, and show me where I dis-agreed with that, and in fact I was the one who brought it to your damn attention missy.
Follow fashion.

The kind of attention that they cannot get in an overcrowded classroom and the teacher is trying to cater to them and everyone else. If we are truly serious about targetting these kids in a positive way, we have to commit ourself to giving them the attention that they need, but not at the expense of other kids. As well discipline will have to be in that mix, one cannot let bad behaviour slide. There has to be balance in that regard.
You have agreed with everything I have said. You took so long to understand what was being typed to you.
I feel proud that you have pulled your head out of your tail end this one time, and had a moment of clarity and progressive thinking.

No I am not, but I dont need to ask you the same question. You have already proved that in the affirmative.
Don't then. Obviously no one threw you away, cord and all. So everyone else is as least worth saving.
Nasty.
What about the complicated jigsaw puzzle?
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Not all of these parents are the drudges of society. They simply need a harsh wakeup call to transition their failure into a success. Simple things they overlook in their parenting approach.
You are fishing for my brain. Go read a book and get a clue.
Casting my pearls before swine. I just now got your game!
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You have no clue of people, and how this place revolves. To hear you speak of harsh wake-up calls, is reminiscent of the belt and drop cord beatings, I heard. You are a bloodthirsty animal if you think like this. What happened to the jig-saw puzzle. LOL....
When you finish your dissertation, the one person you should thank is me.
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Agreed.
Not every parent is incapable. We need to force more parents to submit to their roles, or else society will break under the weight of trying to do their job.
Say force. LOL....
You can't control their kids, who the feck are you going to force?
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And the family is the frame work and foundation of society.
blah blah blah soapfrigginbox...
I thought I was the one with the runny mouth avatar?
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And you need to quit it with the gutter language. You are the one acting arrogant and snotty.
LOL....

How many wayward kids have you taken from their wayward parents and raised?
What does that have to do with you?
Questioning an online persona, about his private life. What do you know, and why should I tell you?

No thanks, I think you will be busy with thine self.
The more you talk, maybe you were a wayward abused child who raped his mothers kitty. Get help son, and let go of the past. I certainly didnt push you into your misery.
Misery?
I enjoy this. Do I look in pain to you...certainly I have caused you some.
Well, it pains me to see how myopic you are really. Aren't you in college or something?
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Absolutely, I just dont agree that the entire village should have to go up in smoke for it.
With this, you have contradicted yourself in at least three different viens.
You are spinning out of control, this does not add up to anything you stand by on either end.

Think again, you may just be answering to me one of these days :hammer:

I can never say what may or may not happen, answer to you is something I would not say yay or nay to. And this response, is typical of your arrogant self riteous attitude. Why the feck, do you think I have to answer to you?
Eh?
Why is that an issue...talk about vicitimization and abuse of power.
You are a snotty little you know what.....hehehehe....
Not afraid to be over or under you, you will self destruct with this attitude before long.
Wise up.

*Walks away from this cat fight*

*Walks away from this cat fight*


The smartest thing you have done so far. The lion, will always beat the puttycat.
:)

The smartest thing you have done so far. The lion, will always beat the puttycat.
:)


Oh, I think you were a little mistaken. Not the cat in the jungle, the cat between your.......

Oh, I think you were a little mistaken. Not the cat in the jungle, the cat between your.......


Why would anyone want a cat between their legs?
That must be dangerous....especially if its a big jungle cat. What about the claws!?
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I know I have been cruel Teniel, it is all in fun take no seriousness in this...please.
This is internet banter, from a man who should have something better to do.

I wish you well with your studies and hope that you progress to higher heights.