Hi,

Persons who punish young children should be punished severely whatever their posotion is.:fly:

Hi,
Persons who punish young children should be punished severely whatever their posotion is.:fly:


Thank you for your input and welcome. You must have been waiting a very long time, to say that.
:)

Ohhhhh...I joined this site jus to post about this topic. I am not against a spanking once in awhile.. I have a five year old sister who is wild as the day is long but trust me no amount of beating (and her dad whoops her) changes her behaviour. A spank is probably the first gut reaction most ppl have when dealing with rude kids or sassy ones. But positive discipline that corrects the behaviour and gets to the root of the problem helps kids grow and mature into better problem solving adults who don't resort to violence as a way to solve their problems. Many times when my sis is acting out I try and sit and talk to her calmy and I am suprised that she is feeling angry, sad, or that no one is paying attention. Kids who act out are doing it for a reason and simply beating them (and not assessing what is really wrong) only makes the problems worse.

"When I caned him I told him to put his hands away because if you don't put your hand away it might be broken, there's a possibility his hand might be damaged." press release by school's principal.

Wow...If that isn't a flippant answer to the press, I don't know one...
Imagine...sending your child to school to learn...He got disiplined bythe principal, subsequently the child was punished to harshly with a cane that it broke and destroyed the young man's hand, to the point he has to wear a cast. Surely this is child's abuse and this act needs to be investigated.

The principal purposefully and maliciously struck this 12 year old child with all of his might knowing fully well that it could break a child's hand with ease. Then to add insult to this brutal injury, the principal has the gall to say, " It was a cane-if you put your hand in the way of the cane when the cane is used there's a possibility that could happen."
Wow...the very idea that he struck the child so hard that it broke and disfigured the childs hands suggest abuse. If his mother had punished him like that, police would have arrested her on sight.

so true ... This is horrible & very sad to hear. I feel for that child and parent.:heartbeat

Hi,
Persons who punish young children should be punished severely whatever their posotion is.:fly:


In my opinion, that is a reckless statement. We must remember that all punishment is not physical. There are many other ways to discipline a child. I wonder how many of us here on this forum have interacted with some of these so called troublesome students we have in our schools? Well I have. Just the other day a student told me that if he goes to jail its okay he doesnt mind, you have to die someday. My reply: make it a life long goal to do whatever you can to stay out of jail and although tomorrow isnt promised it may come so you must be prepared. It may be a broad statement to make, but the mentality of some students will surprise you.

I agree that we must not give up on our children, however i also agree that the extremely disruptive ones not be allowed to prohibit others from recieving quality instruction. I've had a class in recent years that was termed "troublesome", all boys. It took me the whole year but some off them bought into what I was trying to instill in them. From time to time, physical punishment was necessary, but only in extreme cases. Also, the boys and girls industrial schools as well as other programs are doing a good job in rehabilitating our youth. But we must never lose grap of right and wrong. Thats why there is law and punishments foir breaking them.

We must delve into the minds of our youth. We must work on their minds. Yes many may not be academically inclined but we can change their mindset and outlook on life. The child who doesnt mind going to jail will be a hard shell to crack, but if people continue to promote changing the mindset of our children we will get through to many wayward youths. Sparing the rod will spoil the child, but changing his mindset can improve the future of our country.

Thank you for your input and welcome. You must have been waiting a very long time, to say that.
:)

:D

Ohhhhh...I joined this site jus to post about this topic. I am not against a spanking once in awhile.. I have a five year old sister who is wild as the day is long but trust me no amount of beating (and her dad whoops her) changes her behaviour. A spank is probably the first gut reaction most ppl have when dealing with rude kids or sassy ones. But positive discipline that corrects the behaviour and gets to the root of the problem helps kids grow and mature into better problem solving adults who don't resort to violence as a way to solve their problems. Many times when my sis is acting out I try and sit and talk to her calmy and I am suprised that she is feeling angry, sad, or that no one is paying attention. Kids who act out are doing it for a reason and simply beating them (and not assessing what is really wrong) only makes the problems worse.


Hhmmm.....
A say admister a fatal beating to the little devils, and that should teach them good.
;)

I went to catholic school as well. I don't see what the big deal is. The parent should've handled this better if she thought the principal's behavior was inappropriate. This is giving the child too much credit and control. Rather than understanding that he did something wrong and accepting his punishment, he sees that he can have his way even when he may have been wrong in the first place. Just play the victim and these bleeding heart tree hugging liberals will cuddle you so that you can grow up to become a drug-dealing grandmother raping psycho and rather than punish you for it - they'll forgive you and say that its not your fault.

I agree that this is a complex issue but in this case it did not have to go to the level it is now at.
The parent had a right to complain if the child was injured. When she complained to the principal he/she should have apologized to the parent and the child for the INJURY but not for the spanking. If there were medical bills involved then the principal should have made an offer to cover them. And the issues should have rested there.

I have spoken to my childs teachers and will continue to do so as she moves through the education system. I tell them that I do not have a problem with punishment as long as it is reasonable (for the offence) and that I have a printed list of school and class rules and the punishments they warrant. Now I dont expect my kid to be punished for anything not on the list or punished in any way not previously stated in our discussion. I also state that I am available for consultation if an unusual situation arises. I dont want no foolishness cause like other parents I could go off!

VALUES EDUCATION AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO CORPORAL PUNISHMENT

The following are some excerpts from the link http://www.livingvalues.net/zimbabwe/ Fellow Bahamians who are interested in "Progressive Education", please take time and read the entire link:

"In many schools in Zimbabwe, teaching manners is one of the most important aspects in the upbringing of the younger generation. Unfortunately, corporal punishment is still lawful and supported by the Ministry of Education. Practised in many schools, especially "boys schools", it is supposed to make the pupils mannered "under the lash". Many pupils are polite, respectful, responsible and punctual not because these values appeal to their senses but because they are afraid of punishment by the prefects (manual labour) or by the headmaster or his deputy (caning)."

"When the focus in education is not only on the achievement of exam results but also on the development of positive human personality, teachers have the opportunity to introduce an individual approach in their teaching, therefore, seeing the solution of the problem not only in "a stick". More than once, the attention of the ministry of education has been drawn by the Zimbabwe National Guidance and Counselling Association, progressive teachers of the country and the organisation ?Education Without Fear?, to the idea of abolishing corporal punishment and finding an alternative that would make a pupil realise his own wrong doings and behave in a manner acceptable and expected by the parents, the school, headmaster, teachers and society."

"The child depends on his parent, needs his love, his soft touch and his protection. The use of punishment that causes pain and degradation does not contribute to the character or education of the child, but instead it harms his rights as a person. It harms his body, his emotions, his honour and his proper development. It distances us from our aspiration to be a society free of violence. Therefore, we will know that the use of physical punishments or derogatory or humiliating measures by parents as an educational system, is forbidden in our society today".


Israel Supreme Court judgment, January 2000

As a member of the gobal society, whatever takes place in our small nation of less than 300,000 peopel is indeed scutinzed by the entire world.

Go to the following link:

http://www.corpun.com/websch.htm#bahamas

Click on the Bahamas and the following excerpt comes up:

S.C. McPherson Teacher is Discharged
Tragic story from January 2001 about a 12-year-old boy who died after being caned on the hand at school. The child had an undiagnosed heart disease and the teacher was acquitted of manslaughter.

The Following are excerpts from a link by The American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry:

http://www.aacap.org/page.ww?section=Policy+Statements&name=Corporal+Punishment+in+Schools

Corporal Punishment in Schools

Approved by Council, June 1988

Corporal punishment is a discipline method in which a supervising adult deliberately inflicts pain upon a child in response to a child's unacceptable behavior and/or inappropriate language. The immediate aims of such punishment are usually to halt the offense, prevent its recurrence and set an example for others. The purported long-term goal is to change the child's behavior and to make it more consistent with the adult's expectations. In corporal punishment, the adult usually hits various parts of the child's body with a hand, or with canes, paddles, yardsticks, belts, or other objects expected to cause pain and fear.

The American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry opposes the use of corporal punishment and supports legislation outlawing its use. Research on corporal punishment has shown that it may be harmful. Many other methods of discipline are effective in promoting self-control, eliminating undesirable behaviors and promoting desired behaviors in children.

Corporal punishment signals to the child that a way to settle interpersonal conflicts is to use physical force and inflict pain. Such children may in turn resort to such behavior themselves. They may also fail to develop trusting, secure relationships with adults and fail to evolve the necessary skills to settle disputes or wield authority in less violent ways. Supervising adults who will fully humiliate children and punish by force and pain are often causing more harm than they prevent.

The American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry opposes the use of corporal punishment in schools and takes issue with laws in some states legalizing such corporal punishment and protecting adults who use it from prosecution for child abuse. The Academy joins with the National Congress of Parents and Teachers, the American Medical Association, the National Education Association, the American Bar Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and other groups calling for an end to this form of punishment.

My fellow Bahamians I offer for your edification the following link into Scholarly articles for research on corporal; punishment in school

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=research+on+corporal%3B+punishment+in+school&spell=1

Beating the Devil Out of Them (Ppr): Corporal Punishment ... - Straus -
Corporal punishment by parents and associated child ... - Gershoff -
Regional Differences in Attitudes toward Corporal Punishment - Flynn -

"Consider the injustice of hitting children. We hit in order to inflict pain. The law does not permit us to inflict pain on anyone other than our children. Floggings of prisoners and in the armed services, the beating of wives and servants are part of an unwanted brutal past. Our laws prohibit us from inflicting pain on animals. Why our children?".

Ian Hassall, New Zealand Commissioner for Children, 1993