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Uncle Bob
11-29-02, - 08:28 PM
Sha`bez, don't get me wrong a Pitbull in the hands of a foolish owner is a dangerous thing indeed,but let's not forget that any furious dog is dangerous.
P.S. Police use them in the U.S.A. Trust me dear I have owned them for years never had a problem.

sha`bez
11-30-02, - 12:20 PM
I agree any dog can be dangerous esp. with bad ownership. But we are not talking but n e dog, we r talkin bout PITBULLS to be exact.

The U.S.A. can use as much dogs as possible, cause you know why, they train them and keep them well. For if they didn't, believe you me, there would have been a big problem with that. They keep dogs like that in kenels, or if they have them out they would have been muzzled. In the states u don't see pitbulls walking around like over here. If you did, the owner would be fined hard or even jailed, people take things very serious over there. But we are talking about over here. I don't know where u come from buddy, but they don't have any dog control in Nassau.

We need to do something, make a law or something. Something really really needs to be done.

I take it you know how to mantain the dogs that u owned, right. Which is good. Then why don't you offer your services to teach dog owners how to maintain there pets. Every one don't have the knowledge you have, so you maybe you would like to offer some, share the knowledge my brother....*Smiles*.

Anyway, we just need to do something with this pitbull situation, do u agree. If they can't maintain them, take them away. If you see owners, esp. young boys walking the street with them with out proper attirement, most perferably a muzzle, report them to the police so they can go and confiscate the dog, or at least go and see how the dog is being maintain and find out why it was out with out a muzzle, or what ever else. DO you agree.

I'm not saying take all the pitbulls and kill umm, my gracious that's creul. i'm saying if the owners cannot maintain take them away.

Until next time........................

Uncle Bob
12-02-02, - 02:14 AM
I agree with the fact that the pitbull is a sort of status symbol for some .And I do agree that we need to do something about dog control in this country.As it relates to Pitbulls being Muzzled in public in the USA or the Police having there dogs in a kennel ,let me say that any dog
can be train dear.If you train your dog to be aggressive that's what he willl reflect.I can tell you dear that Pitbulls are not blood thristy beast they are made out to be.Pitbulls have been around for hundreds of years.This is there time to be ridiculed as was the German Shepherd ,Doberman and the Rottweiler.Any dog that became popular faced the same.

sha`bez
12-02-02, - 10:21 AM
I agree.

The dogs behave the way their trainer train them o be.

But my point here is that the pitbulls i have been seeing on the street lately, don't look like they have been train in a good way.

Just yesterday i saw five pitbulls at the least on the streets being gaurded by young boys. Suppose those young boys are in a gang, they can easily unleash those dogs on any one.

All i am asking here is for someone to take a look at this situation and try to resolve it. That's all.

Pitbulls or anydog can become dangerous. I have seen an increase of pitbull action on the street lately so that's why i generally mention them, an me having the knowledge that one of those dogs owned by the wrong person can be treacherous, and the guys aint hiding it. If they wanna walk their dog, go to a park or a secluded place where no one is around, not on public streets.

Something must be done......or watch it, another tragety will smack Nassau.

Until next time........................

Uncle Bob
12-02-02, - 10:55 AM
Well said, I agree 100%.

Bahamas Writer
12-07-02, - 02:17 PM
I saw a teenage boy taking his pit bull dog for a walk through the Westward Villas area yesterday - or rather, the dog was "taking him for a walk"!

The boy had him on a lead (no muzzle), but the dog was pulling his owner along and the boy seemed to have no control over him.

Also, did anyone read The Punch on Monday, December 2 - "Animal Action" column? It's on Page 37.

It's about illegal dog fighting in the Bahamas and what these poor pit bulls suffer. It's cruel, wicked and shouldn't be allowed to continue in a country that professes to be "Christian".

The article states that young children are even allowed to watch the dog fighting and they become insensitive to violence, as well as developing an enthusiasm for it.

The article also highlights the dreadful power and effects of an attack by a pit bull on its victim, which has at least on one occasion that I know of in the Bahamas, been on an innocent little girl, resulting in her death.

Spread the word. Lets get some legislation on this problem.

Fay
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Uncle Bob
12-07-02, - 03:45 PM
I must have missed that article.However
if I ever was to be invited to, was to some how find the location of one of these sites ; let's just say I have a few friend in the Police K-9 Unit that may just appear .I would support any legislation against dog fighting and irresponsible owners on the hold.I believe that any of the large breed dogs should be given obedience training. Responsible Ownership is the Key!!!!!

sha`bez
12-09-02, - 10:41 AM
I have seen an increase of pitbull action on our streets. And none, an i mean none, had on any thing to prevent a disaster.

I do believe that everyone agree that something should be done about it. Right!!

Until Next time...........................

sha`bez
12-19-02, - 10:30 AM
Is there any movements on this issues any where.

I need to know if what we are saying is getting to those who need to hear this.

There's an increase on the increase of pitbulls being displayed in public.

Is there any action taking place. Are the right people seeing our concerns.

If you read all the replys on this subject you'll see that we all agree that owners of pitbulls must be responsible for their dog, and beig responsible is also making sure that if they decided to walk their dog in public, make sure it's sporting a muzzle and a secure leash and is being carried around, if not by owner by a responsible person.

Or should we call the police about dogs in public with out the requirements. But is that a law, is there such a requirment for dog owners over here. My concerns are increasing every time i see a pitbull (not only pitbull) in the public with out the needed necessities.

Is there any one out there listening to us.

Until next time....................

Bahamas Writer
12-19-02, - 05:47 PM
I suggest we each speak to our local M.P.s about our concerns, before it takes another tragedy for people to sit up and take notice.

It also wouldn't do any harm to mention it to the police.

Fay
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Rory
12-23-02, - 02:32 AM
Originally posted by Uncle Bob
I beleive in and support responsible ownership. Pitbulls as with any other dog from the Guard Dog Family needs to have proper Training and responsible owners .I also feel that they should have muzzles when being taken in Public as with any other aggessive dog. An old proverb says "if you don't step on the dogs tail he won't bite you"

Pitbulls are not from the guard dog family. You will not see them at any guard dog company in the rest of the world, at least in the civilised countries. In fact they are stupid dogs. German Sheppherds, Doberman Pinchers, and Rot Wilers are used for guard dogs, and the police, as they are the smartest breeds and "learn quick". Pitbulls are bred all over the world for fighting, they are NOT pets. Obviously dont kill the existing ones, but take them out of the hands of people that do not know how to take care of pets properly, as is 90% of people with animals in the Bahamas today. Throwing a dog a chicken leg in the front yard (with no fence) once a day is not considered taking care of the animal.

"An old proverb says if you don't step on the dogs tail he won't bite you" - this does not count for most pitbulls, like chows and potcakes there is a good chance of them snapping at you, thats just how those dogs are, bad breeding.

Uncle Bob
12-23-02, - 08:19 PM
Well ,here we go again!!!!!!!I must say, you're either more knowledgeable than I am or just the average Bahamian that becomes an expert on a subject by hearing about it.Firstly, the term Guard Dog Family means that they are used widely as Guard Dogs pal.German Shepherds were orginally bred to herd and protect sheep,nothing else.Other uses came later.If you think Pitbulls are only use is to fight ,why did they use a Pitbull as the pet of choice on the 70's TV Show 'The Little Rascals".The last time I mentioned that here,I was told it may have been only as a contrast ,Please try to come up with something better than that .Pitbulls have been here since the 1700's pal .Only since the irresponsible persons started to kept them we have had problems. Here's a link to a site you guys should read; there hundred others out there . Read up on the dogs that we call stupid .http://www.pitbulls.com/USMCpitbull.html .Knowledge is power .Empower yourselves before speaking on something you don't know. The danger with that is to someone who also does not know, may think what you say are facts and repeat or worst form a misguided opinion.That's how things get out of control.Remember; If I'm buying a car I want the best for my money.If I'm getting a guard dog I want the most capable of them all.That is all that a Pitbull is the most physically capable GUARD DOG ever created!!!To protect my family that's my choice.Please let's have the pharse "a dog is a man's best friend changed to some dogs are man's best friend".When listening to a someone speak'please try to remember that all horses look fast when they are running by themself.Please research what you hear and then decide base on facts.Step out of the Box PLEASE!!!!

asterz57
02-26-03, - 11:26 PM
Owners of Pitbull dogs who raise them to fight should be brought before the law. Raising dogs to fight is pure and simple animal cruelty. Its not a matter of people owning Pitbull dogs, but owners who are irresonponsible in keeping their animals.

When owning a dog especially a Pitbull extra effort should be given in making sure that these dogs are properly secured and restrained. Too many dog owners either let their dog roam freely or if they are kept in the yard they have access to the street.

I feel that the Government should ensure that all owners of Pitbull dogs properly secure their animal within in their premises, and that the dog is being taken care of. When this criteria is not met the owners should be held responsible of any action on the part of their animal.

mp0sta
03-22-03, - 03:59 AM
ok.

asterz57, i kno this is a pitbull post mainly, but i had to agree with you just now. the owners should be responsible for any actions their "pets" do. btw, not only pitbulls are the attackers. my sister and i were walking from church last sunday...and the owner of two dogs; a shepherd and a mixed-breed dog; has a minimally restrictive fence.

we were walking down collins avenue approaching doctors hospital, and were passing some oncoming people. the oncoming people looked a little concerned that the dogs were jumping up and down and leaning on the metal fence-style gate. just when my sister and i were almost past the gate itself, the shepherd and the other dog must've leaned on the gate at the same time and the gates burst open.(might i note that the fence-gate was not chained, but the hook-style latch that most fences are installed with, was closed) my sister had already been bitten by another dog days before and it was frightening enough for her to have to run from another set of dogs.

i myself have no remorse in hurting a dog if it hurts me. especially with the lack of responsibility that most Bahamians tend to have when they own dogs. they believe that their dogs are so well behaved that they can afford to leave their dogs in any space; confined or not.

the personal issue was this: i saw the dogs break out of the gate before my sister did, and was able to tell her to run before the dogs even reached her. what if i wasn't walking with her? what if that was a pregnant woman walking with her young child walking on collins avenue sidewalk? would the owner have said sorry if either pregnant mother or child was mauled?

i own 4 potcakes and a collie-mix breed. the 4 potcakes are behind a white picket-fence with a 6 and a half foot tall fence surrounding the backyard. the 4 potcakes have never smelt the front yard. the collie stays in front. i love my dogs, but they are under control. the picket fence is double locked by barrel bolts on either side of the house.

the collie is growing old and hardly barks unless he doesn't recognize you. i've walked through corners, and along open roads where i am more afraid of the dogs than the groups of fellas that live in the area. this "lack of animal control" should be addressed. ....before i shoot someone's dog....and don't care.

sha`bez
03-23-03, - 08:23 PM
Uncle bob...u still educating us bahamains about our lack of knowledge when it comes to pitbulls huh......

well, I've been MIA fa a while but i'm still sticking to and agreeing with everyone that says, pitbulls are dangerous...and even more dangerous in the hands of owners who have no knowledge in keeping umm.

Yes mpOsta......dogs in general can be very dangerous. Every time i c a group of dogs just walkin the street i hurry turn the other way because when untrain dogs get into groups they tend to be more agressive.

and remeber some dogs were train to bite people, and plus they don't even have a suitable place to keep them....

so what u have for me now...Mr. Bob.....*smiles*