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The Barn’s on Fire! – Part 2

By Apostle Cedric Moss

Last week, I made the point that the day Great Britain passes their same sex law (which the Queen foreshadowed in her November 2003 speech from the throne), because of our vulnerability to the Privy Council, “sparks of fire” would be kindled against the “house” of traditional marriage in our nation. Therefore, those of us who want to save it must not be exhausted from fighting “the barn fires” of homosexual land and sea tourist groups. Further, I made the point that if we sit idly by now and do nothing to protect the house of traditional marriage from the impending fire hazard foreshadowed by the Queen, like the crowd in last week’s parable, we will regret missing our opportunity to prevent it from burning down.

The Ultimate Goal
It is becoming increasingly evident that one does not need visionary sight to see where the legalization of homosexual civil unions and domestic partnerships will ultimately lead. It will lead to that ultimate goal that strategists for the cause (of homosexuality) always had in mind…full marriage as enjoyed by heterosexuals. This has always been their plan, even though not publicly stated initially. It’s an installment plan of sorts. With their ultimate goal in mind, they have been making their demands in a piece meal manner in “progressive” nations and states until they get the “whole car”, one part at a time.

Redefining Words
I’m amazed that those who call themselves progressive are appeased by this charade of allowing two persons of the same sex to be legally joined to access the institutional benefits enjoyed by those in traditional marriages (and then deceptively call them civil unions or domestic partnerships). It is clear that they are seeking to redefine the meaning of both marriage and progressive without success. The reality is that such “progressiveness” is really regressive and will not redefine marriage but instead destroy it.

A Word to the wise
Last week, on February 4th, in response to their request for an advisory opinion, the Massachusetts Judicial Supreme Court advised the state legislature, in patently clear terms, that laws providing homosexual couples anything short of marriage will not satisfy their initial ruling that these couples be afforded the exact union privileges as heterosexual couples. Massachusetts and all of the United States are reeling from this opinion but much good has come out of that ruling, the primary one being that the ultimate agenda of the homosexual lobby is now clear.

Now even those who cowed towards or ignorantly approved of civil unions and domestic partnerships are repulsed of the whole thing by that brazen ruling. Fortunately, the wheels have already been put in motion to vote on the Marriage Affirmation and Protection Amendment, which, in the words of Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, “would give the people of Massachusetts -- rather than four activist judges -- the power to decide whether marriage will be protected or deconstructed.” I have no doubt that the majority of people in Massachusetts will vote to protect marriage.

For those of us in The Bahamas, this should be a word to the wise. Let’s not wait for some legal crisis as they did in Massachusetts before we decide to amend our constitution.

Let’s Be Wiser
I believe the legally promiscuous decision to grant civil unions and domestic partnerships creates a dangerous fault line under the house of marriage that will progressively cause that house to come crashing down. Therefore, in The Bahamas, we must be wiser and ensure that our constitution is amended to not only reflect the clear definition of marriage, as one man and one woman, but also that our constitution reflects the prohibition of all forms of legal accommodations for same sex unions. My reasoning for this is simple: If we allow civil unions and domestic partnerships, they will sooner or later demand full marriage. And things being as they are, this demand will come sooner rather than later.

It should be clear to those who follow this issue that the marriage and civil union cries of homosexual couples really have nothing to do with any legal difficulties. Every one of those cries can be answered through means afforded by our current laws. Here’s what I mean: A homosexual couple can purchase property together, make a joint will, grant each other far reaching powers of attorney for sickness, incapacity, death and whatever legal agreements they wish. Therefore, they do not need any legal accommodation for their union. That being the case, it is easier to see that what homosexual couples really seek is not a legal union in itself but general acceptance and a “legitimizing” of their unions by the state so as to remove the stigma attached to it.

While Men Slept
In Matthew 13, Jesus told the profound parable of the wheat and tares. Concerning the tares, he said the enemy sowed them among the wheat while men who should have been watching were asleep (see verse 25). The lesson of this parable has relevance for those of us in The Bahamas who are concerned about protecting traditional family structures and standards based on our Judeo-Christian heritage. We cannot afford to be “asleep”, especially when we have what I believe is a divinely ordered opportunity to appropriately amend our constitution and safeguard these structures and standards.

Fire Prevention
Today as we watch so called “progressive” nations burn down the house of traditional marriage, the foundational human institution created by Almighty God, we have a wonderful opportunity to prevent that fire from spreading to The Bahamas. Therefore, we must diligently be about protecting and insulating marriage from all potential fire threats. Obviously, this means ensuring that when our constitution is amended, citizens of The Bahamas are given an opportunity to decide whether or not they wish to encode in our constitution the clear definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman and the prohibition of all forms of legal accommodations for same sex unions. Accordingly, we must make representation to the Constitutional Reform Commission requesting that they offer this as an option for change. Otherwise, our former colonial masters on the Privy Council will have the last say and soon we will find ourselves regretting our missed opportunity and praying and hoping they will see things the way majority of Bahamians do. To think that they will is wishful thinking.

Apostle Cedric Moss serves as Senior Pastor at Kingdom Life World Outreach Centre. Commentary and feedback may be directed to: apostle@kingdom-life.org.

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The Barn’s on Fire! – Part 2

By Apostle Cedric Moss

Last week, I made the point that the day Great Britain passes their same sex law (which the Queen foreshadowed in her November 2003 speech from the throne), because of our vulnerability to the Privy Council, “sparks of fire” would be kindled against the “house” of traditional marriage in our nation. Therefore, those of us who want to save it must not be exhausted from fighting “the barn fires” of homosexual land and sea tourist groups. Further, I made the point that if we sit idly by now and do nothing to protect the house of traditional marriage from the impending fire hazard foreshadowed by the Queen, like the crowd in last week’s parable, we will regret missing our opportunity to prevent it from burning down.

The Ultimate Goal
It is becoming increasingly evident that one does not need visionary sight to see where the legalization of homosexual civil unions and domestic partnerships will ultimately lead. It will lead to that ultimate goal that strategists for the cause (of homosexuality) always had in mind…full marriage as enjoyed by heterosexuals. This has always been their plan, even though not publicly stated initially. It’s an installment plan of sorts. With their ultimate goal in mind, they have been making their demands in a piece meal manner in “progressive” nations and states until they get the “whole car”, one part at a time.


Hi Cedric Please state what you see as the difference between the legal rights of the civil union of a same sex couple and a marriage of a heterosexual couple.
Under the law what rights would a heterosexual marriage have that a same sex union not have??


Redefining Words
I’m amazed that those who call themselves progressive are appeased by this charade of allowing two persons of the same sex to be legally joined to access the institutional benefits enjoyed by those in traditional marriages (and then deceptively call them civil unions or domestic partnerships). It is clear that they are seeking to redefine the meaning of both marriage and progressive without success. The reality is that such “progressiveness” is really regressive and will not redefine marriage but instead destroy it.


4 pieces of food for thought.
A pastor saw and Indian sitting on a tree stump on a hill over looking some road construction. The Indian was crying, the pastor asked why are you crying? The Indian said look they are building a road. The pastor thought for a moment and said yes look at the progress we will be able to bring much to this land on this road. The Indian said you call it progress. They built the road over my parent’s grave. I begged them not to but they did anyway.

Point being made progressiveness or regressiveness if it makes someone less equal it is wrong.

A few hundred years ago a young boy lay dieing and his grand mother was on her way to him with medicine. The Christian witch hunters caught her found the medicine and accused her of being a witch. In the name of Christ she was burned at the stake. As she was being led out to her death the clergyman saw she was crying and said are you repenting your sins the old woman said no I just heard my grandson died.

How about all the Bahamians Indians that were here before. Christians converted them right out of existence.

The above is Christianity at it best

A long time ago a blind man asked a young man for help the young man gathered up some mud and rubbed it into the mans eyes and when the man washed his eyes he could see. The young man only wanted to help people but he was nailed to a cross.

A Word to the wise
Last week, on February 4th, in response to their request for an advisory opinion, the Massachusetts Judicial Supreme Court advised the state legislature, in patently clear terms, that laws providing homosexual couples anything short of marriage will not satisfy their initial ruling that these couples be afforded the exact union privileges as heterosexual couples. Massachusetts and all of the United States are reeling from this opinion but much good has come out of that ruling, the primary one being that the ultimate agenda of the homosexual lobby is now clear.

Here you are clearly manipulating words to make a false point to create fear. You are trying to say that legal rights between marriage and civil union are different. If a man and woman want to marry in a church or a civil union in a court their legal rights are the same. What the homosexual community is looking for is the legal right to enter a civil union. There for having no effect on your faith or marriage.
To manipulate the truth is wrong you claim your self to be a Christian hhhmm.

Now even those who cowed towards or ignorantly approved of civil unions and domestic partnerships are repulsed of the whole thing by that brazen ruling. Fortunately, the wheels have already been put in motion to vote on the Marriage Affirmation and Protection Amendment, which, in the words of Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, “would give the people of Massachusetts -- rather than four activist judges -- the power to decide whether marriage will be protected or deconstructed.” I have no doubt that the majority of people in Massachusetts will vote to protect marriage.

Majority or those in power/authority are not always right. Most especially when they imposes the rules of their faith on others. Example In and around the time of Christopher Columbus Christians executed people because they were left-handed. Christian leaders used people ignorance to make them afraid of left-handed people.

For those of us in The Bahamas, this should be a word to the wise. Let’s not wait for some legal crisis as they did in Massachusetts before we decide to amend our constitution.

The Christians leaders here in the Bahamas have already attacked the Rasta and the Muslims. How soon till the Christian leaders press to make them or any one else that is not in their view a practicing Christian less equal. How soon till they have laws that enter you privacy.

Let’s Be Wiser
I believe the legally promiscuous decision to grant civil unions and domestic partnerships creates a dangerous fault line under the house of marriage that will progressively cause that house to come crashing down. Therefore, in The Bahamas, we must be wiser and ensure that our constitution is amended to not only reflect the clear definition of marriage, as one man and one woman, but also that our constitution reflects the prohibition of all forms of legal accommodations for same sex unions. My reasoning for this is simple: If we allow civil unions and domestic partnerships, they will sooner or later demand full marriage. And things being as they are, this demand will come sooner rather than later.

Again I ask what is the legal difference between civil union and marriage???

It should be clear to those who follow this issue that the marriage and civil union cries of homosexual couples really have nothing to do with any legal difficulties. Every one of those cries can be answered through means afforded by our current laws. Here’s what I mean: A homosexual couple can purchase property together, make a joint will, grant each other far reaching powers of attorney for sickness, incapacity, death and whatever legal agreements they wish. Therefore, they do not need any legal accommodation for their union. That being the case, it is easier to see that what homosexual couples really seek is not a legal union in itself but general acceptance and a “legitimizing” of their unions by the state so as to remove the stigma attached to it.

Again here you are making some Bahamians less equal than others based on your faith not humanity. Again I ask are some humans more equal than others???
I will ask this question again. What difference will it make in your life if provisions are made for same sex unions in our constitution since you say it is already there under the law?

How quick you turn a blind eye to stigmas. How about the stigma attached to bi racial couples years ago opps sorry it still exists to this day not as bad but still in the air.


While Men Slept
In Matthew 13, Jesus told the profound parable of the wheat and tares. Concerning the tares, he said the enemy sowed them among the wheat while men who should have been watching were asleep (see verse 25). The lesson of this parable has relevance for those of us in The Bahamas who are concerned about protecting traditional family structures and standards based on our Judeo-Christian heritage. We cannot afford to be “asleep”, especially when we have what I believe is a divinely ordered opportunity to appropriately amend our constitution and safeguard these structures and standards.

Oh yes this is a good one. Bishiop Desmond Tutu South Africa once said.
When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said "Let us pray." We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.
I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights.
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.



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Fire Prevention
Today as we watch so called “progressive” nations burn down the house of traditional marriage, the foundational human institution created by Almighty God, we have a wonderful opportunity to prevent that fire from spreading to The Bahamas. Therefore, we must diligently be about protecting and insulating marriage from all potential fire threats. Obviously, this means ensuring that when our constitution is amended, citizens of The Bahamas are given an opportunity to decide whether or not they wish to encode in our constitution the clear definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman and the prohibition of all forms of legal accommodations for same sex unions. Accordingly, we must make representation to the Constitutional Reform Commission requesting that they offer this as an option for change. Otherwise, our former colonial masters on the Privy Council will have the last say and soon we will find ourselves regretting our missed opportunity and praying and hoping they will see things the way majority of Bahamians do. To think that they will is wishful thinking.

Again you are saying some Bahamians should be less equal than others because of what you believe to be fact. Based on your interpretation of faith.
God/The Creator created everything and I mean everything even mankind in 6 days. When the Creator was finished the Creator said it is good.
Every human no matter how different is a result of this creation and there for good and serves some purpose of the Creator. Christ came and taught not to judge other least you be judged by the same rules you judge others. He also taught treat other as you want to be treated and he without sin cast the first stone.

You see if Bahamians do as Cedric suggest and make some Bahamians less equal. We go against Christ teachings. How would you feel if the constitution would not allow you to be in legal union and or a marriage with the person you loved because of some difference that the majority believed to be flawed?
If you believe in the teachings of Christ you must see to it that our constitution makes all Bahamians just as equal as you want to be. You cannot deny any person a right and expect to have that right for your self. Because then you are treating other people differently than you want to be treated.


Apostle Cedric Moss serves as Senior Pastor at Kingdom Life World Outreach Centre. Commentary and feedback may be directed to: apostle@kingdom-life.org.

As a resident of Massachusetts, I can tell you that this ruling by four activist judges has indeed caused a fire storm. The debate about civil unions vs gay marrige has been going on for about three years here. The politicians have had the constitutional admendment bottled up in committe after committee. It was never brought to the floor and voted upon. The SGL (same gender loving) activists used the vacum created by this inaction to get the extremely liberal court to order gay marriages. The reasoning given by the court was that the Mass Constitution forbids the creating of a 'second class' citizenship and it supports the afirming of personal freedom'. Based on this the court deemed that to not allow SGL people to marry was not 'affirming' and made them 'second class' citizens. This ruling is a exercise in isogesis if I ever saw one. They have clearly read into the constitution of Massachusetts an interpretation that is not there as it regards marriage.

Apostle Moss is correct in his analysis. This act pulled the covers off the agenda and exposed the true nature of this debate for what it is. This is not about rights it is about acceptance and affirmation. The SGL population of Massachusetts have the same rights today that everyone else has. They have the right to marry anyone of their choosing of the opposite sex and not closely connected by blood. What they are seeking now is a 'right' that no one else has. They demand the right to marry someone of the same sex. This is a matter for the legislative process not the judicial process. In the US we are a democratic republic. If the SGL folks want this right then they can protest the current laws and get them changed. This is what they did. The only problem is that the Supreme Court of Mass 'created new law' with this ruling hence the firestorm.

There have been five different bills offered in the last week to address this. All have them had a componet of civil union attached to it. It is my sense that the politicians want it both ways. They want to do what they believe the vast majority of Massachusetts citizes want which is ban SGL marriages but they don't want to alienate the SGL community in the process. They know that the majority of citizens in our state are against SGL people being married so they are trying to get a law established that would allow SGL unions but outlaw SGL marriage. The problem is that the people have to vote on all constitutional admentments. Most people in Massachusetts are against SGL marriage and SGL civil unions.

What we are being asked to do by the politicans is to compromise. Give the SGL community civil unions and we will outlaw SGL marriages. The SGL community smelling victory and embolden byt he SJC ruling are saying that they will not settle for anything less than SGL marriages at this point.

It is a fine pickle we find our selves in now! People of your country should heed the warning sounded here by Apostle Moss and others. You need to take action now to avoid the absoulute mess we find ourselves in here in Massachusetts!