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chancellor
02-22-04, - 09:19 PM
Since the day I knew myself, there have been lingering issues in this country that we as a people continue to ask. Things like:

Will we legalize gambling?

How long will we depend on tourism?

Will we have income, vat, sales tax?

National Youth Service a possibility?

These are just the most popular and controversial questions that are left unanswered time after time, generation after generation, government after government. They are considered by the government of the day, taken to the public, and then placed back into the files for the next government to take care of. We need to answer and resolve these issues once and for all! These are questions that every country is faced with at some period of its development and if we as a people and a nation cannot face these issues, then how are we gonna handle even bigger issues or even solve the problems of others. Whats the problem. Does the government, that we the people elected, feel now that the people are too incompetant to determine how do we want to shape our nation. My God! Are we only good for general elections!!!??? Why cant these things be put to referendums once and for all so that this country can move on. Or at least lobby for change. I'm sure we don't need pay redundant commissions and foreign consultants thousands of dollars to say the same things that we the people have been saying for decades! We must not be afraid to handle these issues, and the government which allegedly represents the voice of the people must listen to the voice of the people and act. For the people do know what they want!

Delroy
02-22-04, - 11:42 PM
Excellent thread chancellor :tup:

I will wait to see the responses to your questions.

Nicholas Jacques
02-23-04, - 12:58 AM
chancellor,
I must say that you are quite correct, but what will you do about it? continue to post threads on websites? That will not help the situation, because the powers that be know that people like you are only blowing off steam;and they know that is all to you.Personally, I came to the same conclusion, because any man who are afraid to use his own name or post his photograph while speaking to important issues such as these, are testicleless and don't empress me. Nevertheless my brother, dont be discourage, because my opinion does not remove the facts about what you have uttered. However, my advise to you is: whenever you are uttering political statement, always give your real name and show your face, it will have a greater impact.

chancellor
02-23-04, - 01:38 AM
As an individual who is under 18, and uneligible to register for voting, I am not in a position to even make such an initiative. I can only post for now. I do however observe this country and post on this site and share my views and ideas to people who are registered voters in this nation. So that maybe you the current generation of voters can become even more aware of the state of this nation and speak up to the government of the day. We all can come on this site both identified and unidentified, and talk and complain about the government and criticise authorities, but do nothing about the situation. We are in situations like these because you the voters do not speak up. Some may not even post on a public website, some share the same view as mine and want a better country, but do not even register to vote, scared to speak as if they live under a dictatorship. If you hear an adult pass by and complain or citicise, you should ask them the same question. Do you vote? and What do you as a voter intend to do about it?

Delroy
02-23-04, - 09:18 AM
As an individual who is under 18, and uneligible to register for voting, I am not in a position to even make such an initiative. I can only post for now. I do however observe this country and post on this site and share my views and ideas to people who are registered voters in this nation. So that maybe you the current generation of voters can become even more aware of the state of this nation and speak up to the government of the day. We all can come on this site both identified and unidentified, and talk and complain about the government and criticise authorities, but do nothing about the situation. We are in situations like these because you the voters do not speak up. Some may not even post on a public website, some share the same view as mine and want a better country, but do not even register to vote, scared to speak as if they live under a dictatorship. If you hear an adult pass by and complain or citicise, you should ask them the same question. Do you vote? and What do you as a voter intend to do about it?

Excellent chancellor :hammer:
Excellent.

Great Demos
02-23-04, - 08:52 PM
Will we legalize gambling?

How long will we depend on tourism?

Will we have income, vat, sales tax?

National Youth Service a possibility?


The Above burning questions have been asked by Chancellor -- I am surprized that Mr Jaques did not give his views on any of them, and in my opinion, his response to Chancellor was not too nice. I would have thought that he would know how Bahamas Governments (notice I say Governments), have this habit of victimizing persons who speak out against their stance on issues! And even though I couldn't care less if they victimize me personally, I still prefer to remain anonymous -- they might just mess with my close relatives, then all hell could broke loose!). But here are my views.

I don't think we should legalize gambling on any large scale, that is, other than for the tourist trade. Remember the race track (Hobby Horse Hall) when many fathers would lose thier weekly pay betting on horses and, as a result, could hardly pay rent and feed their families? Furthermore, this is a Christian nation, and I don't think it would please God for people to make slack money and make a living by such wicked means. Just today a talk show host talked about the bad work ethic and attitude of Bahamian workers, and if many of them become gamblers, that certainly would not make them good disciplined citizens. "By the sweat of your brow, you shall eat bread"

Depending forever on tourism, I believe, is another thing that doesn't make sense. But the present Minister of Agriculture seems to be on the right track in trying to develop agriculture and fisheries. Let us hope he gets support from the Prime Minister and others Ministers, farmers and fishermen, etc.

On the issue of income tax, I don't know too much regarding this. But if we ever discontinue collecting Customs duties, well , definitely, I believe Government WILL have to introduce some kind of tax to make up for a huge lack of needed revenue.

Regarding National Youth service, I believe that anyone with half an eye or brain would agree that we should have had that about 30 years ago. There seem to be too many young people who need training in discipline and other matters which would help them to become upstanding citizens of integrity.

But I just hope that for our great nation and people we would reverse the saying, "When all is said and done, there is much more SAID than done!"

Rory
02-24-04, - 02:50 AM
Furthermore, this is a Christian nation

could have fooled me! :shaky:

100%Bahamian
02-24-04, - 08:18 AM
Will we legalize gambling?

How long will we depend on tourism?

Will we have income, vat, sales tax?

National Youth Service a possibility?


The Above burning questions have been asked by Chancellor -- I am surprized that Mr Jaques did not give his views on any of them, and in my opinion, his response to Chancellor was not too nice. I would have thought that he would know how Bahamas Governments (notice I say Governments), have this habit of victimizing persons who speak out against their stance on issues! And even though I couldn't care less if they victimize me personally, I still prefer to remain anonymous -- they might just mess with my close relatives, then all hell could broke loose!). But here are my views.

I don't think we should legalize gambling on any large scale, that is, other than for the tourist trade. Remember the race track (Hobby Horse Hall) when many fathers would lose thier weekly pay betting on horses and, as a result, could hardly pay rent and feed their families? Furthermore, this is a Christian nation, and I don't think it would please God for people to make slack money and make a living by such wicked means. Just today a talk show host talked about the bad work ethic and attitude of Bahamian workers, and if many of them become gamblers, that certainly would not make them good disciplined citizens. "By the sweat of your brow, you shall eat bread"

Depending forever on tourism, I believe, is another thing that doesn't make sense. But the present Minister of Agriculture seems to be on the right track in trying to develop agriculture and fisheries. Let us hope he gets support from the Prime Minister and others Ministers, farmers and fishermen, etc.

On the issue of income tax, I don't know too much regarding this. But if we ever discontinue collecting Customs duties, well , definitely, I believe Government WILL have to introduce some kind of tax to make up for a huge lack of needed revenue.

Regarding National Youth service, I believe that anyone with half an eye or brain would agree that we should have had that about 30 years ago. There seem to be too many young people who need training in discipline and other matters which would help them to become upstanding citizens of integrity.

But I just hope that for our great nation and people we would reverse the saying, "When all is said and done, there is much more SAID than done!"


That is exactly the way I feel about these issues. I agree with this post 100% and to the gentleman that lashed out talking about use your real name and picture, lets see how far that will get you. Don't you know if you say something insulting to another or if they just don't agree with you opinions they can bash you over your head when they see you in public. Now I don't know if chancellor was offended by the way you responded but chancellor now knows your name and what you look like. And you don't know what chancellor looks like. How would you know the person walking behind you isn't the person thats out to get you? Dummy! :dunce:

islandgyal
02-24-04, - 11:47 AM
that's a great idea, 100% ... we should post a picture of our sweetest enemy as our avatar!

Great Demos
02-24-04, - 07:46 PM
Thank you 100% Bahamian and others for agreeing with my previous post. At one point I felt that some would throw me out on my head for some of my views, especially on gambling, as it seems that the majority of Bahamians are for gambling. I recall a very long time ago, when we were still using pounds, shillings and pence, I loan a friend my last 4 shillings which I wanted to use to go to the theatre that holiday. He stopped at a dice game and betted with that 4 shillings and in about 15 minutes he won 25 pounds the exact amount of money I used to make per week. Man did that had an effect on me! I had to sweat and work very hard to make 25 pounds (which was top pay for most craftmen in those days), and this fellow won it in 15 minutes!? I went and begged a good friend to teach me how to shoot dice and he refused, saying that gambling would get in my blood like a disease and that in the long run I would lose and not win. I am glad I took my friend's advice!

And Rory, I believe if someone would sit down and explain how we are a Christian nation, I think you would understand and eventually agree. I believe you have much wisdom. When we accept Christ and are born again, it is our spirit (our inner man) who is saved, not our flesh body. And the flesh body, being weak, could easily fall back into sin if we don't keep studying and meditating on God's word. We have to renew our minds and be holy as God has commanded us to be. But I guess you know all these things. As the Bible says, things would continue to get worse until Christ returns to bring peace. And when you read the book of Revelation, there are only 2 churches out of 7 with whom Christ is fully pleased! So it seems that many will be lost when he returns!

A nice thought just ran across my mind: That the administrators of Bahamas Issues would take some of the better ideas and suggestions from time to time and present them to our Government for implementing. YES, let us get serious and hold thier feet to the fire so they can solve some of these disgusting problems which are dogging us! If not, they will continue to wait until general elections and do a few things which should have been done 20 years ago!

Nicholas Jacques
02-24-04, - 10:32 PM
Hi Delroy:
I don't usualy respond to people's remarks after I had already made my point, because everybody has a right to their opinion; and I am one individual who respects other people's opinion. But having recieved three emails from you, requesting that I respond, I have decided to fulfill your request, but for two resons: Firstly, you asked me to respond and secondly all my colleagues on this website who responded to my opinion could used a little lecturing and hence knowledge.
Let me start by saying hellow to:Chancellor, Great Demos and 100% Bahamian, because my contribution to this frindly discussion will be directed to those three persons who remains nameless and faceless.
Stealth contribution by anybody only componds government politions attitude regarding victimization.Therefore, brother chancellor the excuse of being to young to vote is foolishness, because there are many ways to deal with government politions. Such as demonstrations; and if you really and trully want to make a political contribution to the development of our belove Bahamaland, you would demonstrate, because remember: you were not too young to make those highly political statement.

Rory
02-24-04, - 10:43 PM
And Rory, I believe if someone would sit down and explain how we are a Christian nation, I think you would understand and eventually agree. I believe you have much wisdom. When we accept Christ and are born again, it is our spirit (our inner man) who is saved, not our flesh body. And the flesh body, being weak, could easily fall back into sin if we don't keep studying and meditating on God's word. ......


Sorry, I dont get suckered into that born again thing, you are who you are and who you always were. no matter how born again you want to think you are. I am a christian by the way, just maybe not to many bahamian standards of the word.

I see the Bahamas has too many churches, that are not doing any good for the society, as other countries which have less churches, have less crime and less cultural issues than us. Church nowadays in the Bahamas = big money. Though there are churches here that are not like that and I know some people that are pastors at those.

But it is still better for people to go to church than turn to crime or drugs, so im not going to say anything bad against going to church, yet I can pray just as well in the safety of my home.

Delroy
02-24-04, - 10:57 PM
Hi Delroy:
I don't usualy respond to people's remarks after I had already made my point, because everybody has a right to their opinion; and I am one individual who respects other people's opinion. But having recieved three emails from you, requesting that I respond, I have decided to fulfill your request.

Hi Mr. Jacques,

I didn't send you any e-mails.
Those e-mails are sent automatically by the forums that you subscribe to.
You will receive an e-mail every now and then when someone replies to a thread that you have posted in.

You can unsubscribe at anytime if you wish by clicking the 'unsubscribe' link in the e-mail.

Nicholas Jacques
02-25-04, - 12:28 AM
Hi Delroy:
I don't usualy respond to people's remarks after I had already made my point, because everybody has a right to their opinion; and I am one individual who respects other people's opinion. But having recieved three emails from you, requesting that I respond, I have decided to fulfill your request, but for two resons: Firstly, you asked me to respond and secondly all my colleagues on this website who responded to my opinion could used a little lecturing and hence knowledge.
Let me start by saying hellow to:"Chancellor", "Great Demos" and "100% Bahamian", because my contribution to this frindly discussion will be directed to those three persons who remains nameless and faceless.
Stealth contribution by anybody only componds government politions attitude regarding victimization.Therefore, brother chancellor the excuse of being to young to vote is foolishness, because there are many ways to deal with government politions. Such as demonstrations; and if you really and trully want to make a political contribution to the development of our belove Bahamaland, you would demonstrate, because remember: you were not too young to make those highly political statement.
With respect to "Great Demo," who I assume is a Christian, and is afraid of being victimize by the government and said he will continue to be nameless and faceless: I say, "O ye have little faith."Because I sincerely believe the God I served will always protect me and you as well.But I guess it is ok to be a Christian and be faithless.
"Great Demos," you seem to be suprise that I did not give any answers on the four questen? Well, the truth of the matter is only government can answer those questens and I am not a member of the government and so I did not wast my time. However, I do believe that the government ought to make gambling legal, but to say wether or not, I can't.The same answer applies to the other three questens as well.
"100%" Bahamian, the fact that I post my photograph and my name on "Bahamasissues" website ought to tell you that I am a man who is not afraid of anything, but God. So I welcom a good chellange,if anybody wants to hit me over the head. because phylosophically anything is worth fighting for is worth dieing for.

100%Bahamian
02-25-04, - 07:22 AM
"100%" Bahamian, the fact that I post my photograph and my name on "Bahamasissues" website ought to tell you that I am a man who is not afraid of anything, but God. So I welcom a good chellange,if anybody wants to hit me over the head. because phylosophically anything is worth fighting for is worth dieing for.[/QUOTE]


That statement is foolishness and you know it! It is benneficial to the cause of our Bahamian advancement if by chance one who is knowledgable can manage to stay alive for a long time while preaching the words of his views. Unlike the deceased who can no longer speak and change the world, the living still carries the breath which carries the message thats is in dire need to be heard. The love of our Blessed and God given Bahamaland need people like us. Please try to stay alive!