You seem to miss the mark though - he wasn't just a human.
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD.................And the WORD BECAME FLESH!
:)although flesh, he was still God!

I do not believe that sorry. To me Jesus was a techer, profit but not the Creator. He never said pray to me he said when you pray to your Father. Even when he prayed he never prayed to himself.

you just digging up all these old threads. Are you having fun??

I saw this movie and i love it,its one of the best movie i have ever seen,its truth will grab you and hold you for life.i wish everyone alive on this planet will or could see this movie.i have a copy,but i cant bear to watch it again,
it hurt my heart to see what he when true just for me.this movie makes it real in away too real,but i love this movie it one of my favorite.GO SEE IT AND GET A COPY.

I saw a man who stood for what he believed in, that is the hypocrisy of religious leaders in his time and place. He gave his life to prove that they would even kill to keep their power. HHHHmmm sounds like christianity killing for power, wealth and glory, cause the Creator is not powerful enough to kill for him/her self.

I do not believe that sorry. To me Jesus was a techer, profit but not the Creator. He never said pray to me he said when you pray to your Father. Even when he prayed he never prayed to himself.

you just digging up all these old threads. Are you having fun??



It does not matter what you believe, the facts are facts.

You ask how could a human survive such beating-

The answer, because he was also God. Case close. Take it or leave it.

:)think about it....just because you "believe" you are a woman does not make you one....

It does not matter what you believe, the facts are facts.
You ask how could a human survive such beating-
The answer, because he was also God. Case close. Take it or leave it.
:)think about it....just because you "believe" you are a woman does not make you one....

Though this matter is between you and Vicky, let me inject some food for thought into this discussion.

Your very own words can be used against you, for the book known as the bible is not the only "sacred" book in the world that was written by the hands of man.

Let's look at your statement: "It doesn't matter what you believe, the facts are facts"

-The book known as the bible was written by man

-Man's interpretation of anything beyond his comprehension at that time is largely flawed due to the imperfect filter that he is (we must admit this), and thus the entire validity of such "important" information that man wrote can be questioned until more details are presented or becomes available.

-The book known as the bible is not a complete or unedited work. Biblical scholars admit even to this day that there were problems with the translation.

-What you saw in the movie "The passion of the christ" was a depiction of an event in such a way as to evoke intense emotion in the viewer. Crucifixions of such nature were known to be common in those days, so do not confuse what a mere movie depicts and reality. Many men suffered the same fate and survived longer. Scientists admit that the death blow was due to the spear wound inflicted upon Jesus. Otherwise he would have lasted longer on the cross. Crucifixions were a form of extended torture, which inevitably lead to death due to dehydration and blood loss.

-I said this in another thread but it can be said again - Do you really consider the three days that Jesus spent in a tomb a sacrifice? Even if we were to go with the christian interpretation of the bible which was borrowed and morphed from Judaism, there are anomalies in and question which arise from the story. Jesus is said to have "died" on the cross but yet three days later he was "risen". The problem with that is whether one can truly "kill" a deity. The book says that "the great one in the sky" gave his only begotten son - yeah, for three entire Earth days.

So the question remains, "If Jesus is still "alive", does that truly count as a sacrifice?" Wasn't that grand gesture of death (which all humans must face) retracted? And wouldn't mere man at that time, recounting this tale, totally look over that glaring fact?)

You see, death was largely feared in those times, and it still is feared to this day. So the story passed on would have been miraculous to those of that time and obviously here in the present to believers. Due to the rampant socialization of such beliefs, humans have passed them on without question or without discernment. Your deep-rooted belief in such systems was programmed into you. Questioning them was never an option, so psychologically everything should feel "just right" (Note: this feeling is heightened especially when using religion to deal with some emotional or psychological trauma). You should feel a sense of gratitude. You should feel that you belong to a special club of people who believe in the things that Jesus did. Those feelings though need to be properly analyzed as to why they have such a hold on some of you. Religion as practiced by many (not all) is a form of discrimination, for it invokes a rejection of those not "in the club" and the resulting need to "change" those others in a way that they can see only that particular way forward through life.

Life is about asking questions and finding one's own path. Any religion that promises eternal damnation to those who don't adhere is suspect and is only playing on the human fear of the unknown.

It is not surprising that the Passion of the christ has become such a propaganda piece for christianity. Mel Gibson did a good job with evoking human sympathy in that piece. The problem is that many persons take the movie to be a testament to what really happened. This is deception - well-intended - but deception nonetheless.

It does not matter what you believe, the facts are facts. Facts are facts no lie there but we are talking faith not facts cause it was fact like the world being round there would be no other faiths. You cant even prove that Jesus ever lived... thats facts
You ask how could a human survive such beating- Uh fake blood duh it was a movie. Do you really think the people being riped apart by monsters are really dead. Or that the monsters are real.
The answer, because he was also God. Case close. Take it or leave it. I will leave it
:)think about it....just because you "believe" you are a woman does not make you one....

Duh I will never be a natal woman I am a transsexual woman
I never said I was a natal woman.
people again I did not bring up gender or sexuality someone else did and I am responding to it.

Though this matter is between you and Vicky, let me inject some food for thought into this discussion.

Your very own words can be used against you, for the book known as the bible is not the only "sacred" book in the world that was written by the hands of man.

Let's look at your statement: "It doesn't matter what you believe, the facts are facts"

-The book know as the bible was written by man

-Man's interpretation of anything beyond his comprehension at that time is largely flawed due to the imperfect filter that he is (we must admit this), and thus the entire validity of such "important" information that man writes can be questioned until more details are presented or becomes available.

-The book known as the bible is not a complete or unedited work. Biblical scholars admit even to this day that there were problems with the translation.

-What you saw in the movie "The passion of the christ" was a depiction of an event in such a way as to evoke intense emotion in the viewer. Crucifixions of such nature were known to be common in those days, so do not confuse what a mere movie depicts and reality. Many men suffered the same fate and survived longer. Scientists admit that the death blow was due to the spear wound inflicted upon Jesus. Otherwise he would have lasted longer on the cross. Crucifixions were a form of extended torture, which inevitably lead to death due to dehydration and blood loss.

-I said this in another thread but it can be said again - Do you really consider the three days that Jesus spent in a tomb a sacrifice? Even if we were to go with the christian interpretation of the bible which was borrowed and morphed from Judaism, there are anomalies in and question which arise from the story. Jesus is said to have "died" on the cross but yet three days later he was "risen". The problem with that is whether one can truly "kill" a deity. The book says that "the great one in the sky" gave his only begotten son - yeah, for three entire Earth days.

So the question remains, "If Jesus is still "alive", does that truly count as a sacrifice?" Wasn't that grand gesture of death (which all humans must face) retracted? And wouldn't mere man at that time, recounting this tale, totally look over that glaring fact?)

You see, death was largely feared in those times, and it still is feared to this day. So the story passed on would have been miraculous to those of that time and obviously here in the present to believers. Due to the rampant socialization of such beliefs, humans have passed them on without question or without discernment. Your deep-rooted belief in such systems was programmed into you. Questioning them was never an option, so psychologically everything should feel "just right" (Note: this feeling is heightened especially when using religion to deal with some emotional or psychological trauma). You should feel a sense of gratitude. You should feel that you belong to a special club of people who believe in the things that Jesus did. Those feelings though need to be properly analyzed as to why they have such a hold on some of you. Religion as practiced by many (not all) is a form of discrimination, for it invokes a rejection of those not "in the club" and the resulting need to "change" those others in a way that they can see only that particular way forward through life.

Life is about asking questions and finding one's own path. Any religion that promises eternal damnation to those who don't adhere is suspect and is only playing on the human fear of the unknown.

It is not surprising that the Passion of the christ has become such a propaganda piece for christianity. Mel Gibson did a good job with evoking human sympathy in that piece. The problem is that many persons take the movie to be a testament to what really happened. This is deception - well-intended - but deception nonetheless.

you hit the nail on the head..

Though this matter is between you and Vicky, let me inject some food for thought into this discussion.

Your very own words can be used against you, for the book known as the bible is not the only "sacred" book in the world that was written by the hands of man.

Let's look at your statement: "It doesn't matter what you believe, the facts are facts"

-The book know as the bible was written by man

-Man's interpretation of anything beyond his comprehension at that time is largely flawed due to the imperfect filter that he is (we must admit this), and thus the entire validity of such "important" information that man writes can be questioned until more details are presented or becomes available.

-The book known as the bible is not a complete or unedited work. Biblical scholars admit even to this day that there were problems with the translation.

-What you saw in the movie "The passion of the christ" was a depiction of an event in such a way as to evoke intense emotion in the viewer. Crucifixions of such nature were known to be common in those days, so do not confuse what a mere movie depicts and reality. Many men suffered the same fate and survived longer. Scientists admit that the death blow was due to the spear wound inflicted upon Jesus. Otherwise he would have lasted longer on the cross. Crucifixions were a form of extended torture, which inevitably lead to death due to dehydration and blood loss.

-I said this in another thread but it can be said again - Do you really consider the three days that Jesus spent in a tomb a sacrifice? Even if we were to go with the christian interpretation of the bible which was borrowed and morphed from Judaism, there are anomalies in and question which arise from the story. Jesus is said to have "died" on the cross but yet three days later he was "risen". The problem with that is whether one can truly "kill" a deity. The book says that "the great one in the sky" gave his only begotten son - yeah, for three entire Earth days.

So the question remains, "If Jesus is still "alive", does that truly count as a sacrifice?" Wasn't that grand gesture of death (which all humans must face) retracted? And wouldn't mere man at that time, recounting this tale, totally look over that glaring fact?)

You see, death was largely feared in those times, and it still is feared to this day. So the story passed on would have been miraculous to those of that time and obviously here in the present to believers. Due to the rampant socialization of such beliefs, humans have passed them on without question or without discernment. Your deep-rooted belief in such systems was programmed into you. Questioning them was never an option, so psychologically everything should feel "just right" (Note: this feeling is heightened especially when using religion to deal with some emotional or psychological trauma). You should feel a sense of gratitude. You should feel that you belong to a special club of people who believe in the things that Jesus did. Those feelings though need to be properly analyzed as to why they have such a hold on some of you. Religion as practiced by many (not all) is a form of discrimination, for it invokes a rejection of those not "in the club" and the resulting need to "change" those others in a way that they can see only that particular way forward through life.

Life is about asking questions and finding one's own path. Any religion that promises eternal damnation to those who don't adhere is suspect and is only playing on the human fear of the unknown.

It is not surprising that the Passion of the christ has become such a propaganda piece for christianity. Mel Gibson did a good job with evoking human sympathy in that piece. The problem is that many persons take the movie to be a testament to what really happened. This is deception - well-intended - but deception nonetheless.


YB: :)not worth reading

To Vicky: meeh your responce is faulty

YB: :)not worth reading
To Vicky: meeh your responce is faulty

You mean you don't dare responde because it will make you and your faith look foolish

You mean you don't dare responde because it will make you and your faith look foolish

Aint a man or woman alive who can make one's faith look foolish to him who truly believes..and any man or woman who thinks they are all-knowing enough to do so is about as foolish as your assertion.

Aint a man or woman alive who can make one's faith look foolish to him who truly believes..and any man or woman who thinks they are all-knowing enough to do so is about as foolish as your assertion.

then respond

You mean you don't dare responde because it will make you and your faith look foolish



No, I mean I can put together a 5 - 10 page coherent argument that would embarrass both you and YB, however, neither of you are worth my time, energy or resources.



If you want to live in ignorance, so be it—I wash my hands of both of you

*Reenacts the scene where Pontius Pilate washes his hands*:)

No, I mean I can put together a 5 - 10 page coherent argument that would embarrass both you and YB.

Talk is cheap. You have nothing solid to bring to the table and that's why you back off.

And my contribution wasn't about embarrassing anyone. On this forum if you cannot logically bring your argument to the forefront without animosity or taking things personally, then perhaps your level of maturity is not appropriate.

Discuss the issues, don't attack the personalities.

No, I mean I can put together a 5 - 10 page coherent argument that would embarrass both you and YB, however, neither of you are worth my time, energy or resources.
If you want to live in ignorance, so be it—I wash my hands of both of you
*Reenacts the scene where Pontius Pilate washes his hands*:)

its not about embrrassing any one or how long it is, Its about passing on thoughts and ideas..

[QUOTE=Vicky;205596]I saw a man who stood for what he believed in, that is the hypocrisy of religious leaders in his time and place. He gave his life to prove that they would even kill to keep their power. HHHHmmm sounds like christianity killing for power, wealth and glory, cause the Creator is not powerful enough to kill for him/her self.[/QUOT

your point is what?

[QUOTE=Vicky;205596]I saw a man who stood for what he believed in, that is the hypocrisy of religious leaders in his time and place. He gave his life to prove that they would even kill to keep their power. HHHHmmm sounds like christianity killing for power, wealth and glory, cause the Creator is not powerful enough to kill for him/her self.[/QUOT
your point is what?
I saw a man Jesus who stood for what he believed in, that is the hypocrisy of religious leaders in his time and place. He gave his life to prove that they would even kill to keep their power. HHHHmmm sounds like christianity killing for power, wealth and glory, cause the Creator is not powerful enough to kill for him/her self.

You see as in Jesus time the relogous leaders killed for and in the name of the Creator.. Why? Did they think the Creator was not powerful enough to kill for Him/Her/It self..
Chirstianity was built on torture, murder, theft, and enslavement of other people because the Creator must not have been powerful enough to do it Him/Her/It self