Just a little something I found

http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexual/gaymarriagerite.html

Interesting, and if Mr. Duffy's hypothesis is correct, a bit upsetting to the modern church I would think.

why would 2 men want to be married, or 2 women?
I notice that with doth sex (my neighbours 2 females) one is femine and one is muscline, whats with that?
I mean if a women would sleep and live with another woman, how is it that there are not two females and not one female and the other hemale. It appears that one part is always womanish and the next manish...come on man/woman something is very wrong with this.

When I think about the act itself, for the men it must be so painful...wow.
and the women so strange, beside with a man and woman you can get lick and stick (excuse me all)...it just this matter is just crazy.

And the children...oh man this is bad!
You dont want to live according to God plan and what is natural, but you want to have children, come on people...
Two men want to raise children... and two women the same...
this is a mess...

...You dont want to live according to God's plan.....

Dacy2003, what is God's plan, as you understand it?

(Anyones views are welcome also.)

I dont think quoting anymore scripture is going to make any difference with this site...on any issue, saints and devils alike are just using, abusing and mis-using the Bible to justify and discredit each other.

So commonsense (not always common) tells me that if two individuals comes together for whatever reason it must make sense. That is what I tell my children it just must make sense.

When my husband is tired or stress for anyreason, he lay is head on my breast and is comforted, I can not imagen him or any or male getting the same comfort by lying his head on another man's chest. Rubbing and caressing soft round and nurturing breast...nor a woman unless she is still breastfeeding.

that does not make sense, and there is no website you can send me to can make that make sense!!

And to see a woman putting on a penis to pleasure another woman is a waste of time, when there are men equip to do the job. And communication still works in bed, "right there honey, touch right there that feels good! " stills work ladies!

Consider the sexual act that the gay guy endures. Your rectum, have any of you ever had a bad case of constipation,...and your rectum is made to get rid of the body waste, when my husband loves me when he withdraw from my body he do not take my waste with him... Does any of this make any sense??

And there is no way that two men or two woman can produce any form of live by joining together, there is no chance of that happening, unlike a woman who has problem conceiving because of whatever reason...but there is no chance of a man coming in another man's rectum, or a woman using a toy to pleasure another woman gonna produce anything. But they want to enjoy parenthood...

This homosexuality is just people making this choice to do what they want, the desire to marriage and have children and laws rewritten is just a way to involve the rest of us.

I believe that God's plan was establish with the connecting parts. A penis fits well in a virgina. Children are produced from serm and an egg, Penis - serm, virgina - egg. From my spelling you call tell I am not a scientist...LOL
But it must make sense, that's all I'm saying

Consider the sexual act that the gay guy endures. Your rectum, have any of you ever had a bad case of constipation,...and your rectum is made to get rid of the body waste, when my husband loves me when he withdraw from my body he do not take my waste with him... Does any of this make any sense??


what about the hetro women that like anal sex??? Not my cup of tea, its like you said, the waste area of our bodies, but there are plenty of them out there that do that. Gay sex (between 2 men) does make me sick, but its their choice, just dont make me look at it.

Hi Dacy2003 How can you make a person who was born blind make sense of the color red? How can you make a person born deaf understand the beauty of birds singing.
How can a heterosexual make sense of comfort with the same sex?
How can a non-transgender person make sense of why someone who wants to live dress and be accepted as someone of the opposite sex?
How can a right-handed person understand what it is to be left-handed?

A person with sight can never understand how normal darkness is to someone born blind. Nor can someone born blind every understand color.

I am transgendered I am not homosexual I am not attracted to the same sex at all. How ever I am attracted to the same gender. Let see if you can begin to understand that.


You see to you homosexuality is about sex not love. As a female bisexual friend once told me it takes a woman to understand how to please a woman. There are things men just don't understand.



Have you ever asked a gay guy if it hurts? I have I aslo asked about the mess.


Yet the population of the world grows even with all the wars and genocides the population still grows. Have you ever thought why???



So then when and how did you choose not to be homosexual??? Did you really get up one morning and say I guess I will be heterosexual? UUHh chocolate or honey-glazed doughnut is a choice.


The penis fits in the mouth and in a hand, The mouth and the hand fit the virgina to, and that does not produce children. So what are you saying is, sex is only for producing children. Ok how many times have you had sex? How many children do you have? According to you last paragraph it should match or at least be close.

Dacy2003, when I asked about God's Plan I was thinking in the larger sense. Sex is but a part of that plan, but I can see your position. However, it is interesting to note that throughout the history of Religions, celibacy has been considered the greatest path a person can take to come closer to God. Sex was, and is, considered to be a hindrance to spiritual growth and understanding. Even to this day, Buddhist monks, some Christian groups, all Nuns (of many faiths) do not engage in sex of any kind. The two most spiritual men I can think of: The Pope and the Dalai Lama are both celibate. So as we struggle to be for or against homosexuality the most spiritual path to take (traditionally) is celibacy.

Is the Celibate going against Gods' plan?
(Just trying to show you that God's Plan is not as easy to fathom as some might think.)

"When my husband is tired or stress for any reason, he lay his head on my breast and is comforted, I can not imagen him or any or male getting the same comfort by lying his head on another man's chest."

Maybe you should ask some of the Christian men in this forum what one of the first things (if not the first) they would like to do when they meet their Lord and Saviour.

OK, lemme just say this, I surprised Vicki. Long time no see eh? Do me a favor please? In your free time, I would like for you to look up "Cush, Nimrod and Semiramis." If you can't find it, I do my best to find it for you.
If you find a thorough examination of their existence, you'll find that they reappear many times in art. But with different names.
But my point is this. Alot of the "Saints" of The Roman Catholic faith that surfaced around the Byzantine and High Renaissance Era in its art and lore were archetypes pulled from the different occult theologies and esoteric religions of ancient Rome, Greece and other predating civilizations.

For the skeptics, before you pounce, t'would serve to research the pre-existing relationships of "icons" as it pertained to Churches in Kiev. Leonardo Da Vinci's portraits of John The Baptist (amongst other artists) have long since shown that the artists at that time used these diverse celebrities abstractly. To clarify, it is the equivalent of using Bob Marley's portrait and calling it George W. Bush because they both happened to be males.
ALSO it is important to make note that these were artists of the caliber that joined Guilds and Orders with few specific loyalties or steadfast principles other than to their patrons or bretheren.

Michaelangelo (for example) had lovers of both sexes, Pope Julius commisioned him to paint, but he went on to paint something else entirely: the punishment for Sodomites. "The Last Judgement" (lower right corner).

I speak to insult no one here but I, personally knowing that the word "Catholic" meaning "universal" can not ever come to accept that paradox which presents itself in the name "Roman Catholic."
Furthermore, I cannot, with a sober mind understand how a country can accept the religious system of another country, switch their old gods names (the pantheon) with that of the disciples? What? Was their old religious system not good enough? What makes this one purer or holier than the last?
And if they can't seem to make up their minds and be sure about the names of these deities, demigods and goddesses is it a reasonable and sincere expectation that I be sure? Reconsider please, this is too awkward to swallow.

http://www.bahamasissues.com/images/top_frame_pic4.jpg

Go to the above link please and notice the individual in the leftmost corner.

http://www.tarothermit.com/pope.htm

Now go to the above link. Notice the mitres (hats)? Notice the history? Which came first Cartology & Tarot or Roman Catholicism? Is their ANY correlation between the roles of the "Heirophant" and that of the individual in the leftmost corner in the first link? Now, most people don't know this, but there was (and remains to this day) an organization of individuals that once claimed that the marriage of "black" people was invalid, the same strongly objects to same sex marriages but continues to nuture the atmosphere where children may be taken advantage of.

Vicky, Somebody born with a condition can not be compare and you know it. You have made your choice, reading your posts I realize that we are like...are minds are made up...

O3 you confuse me everytime I read your post, can you just speak plainly...LOL

Vicky, Somebody born with a condition can not be compare and you know it. You have made your choice, reading your posts I realize that we are like...are minds are made up...

O3 you confuse me everytime I read your post, can you just speak plainly...LOL

Hi Dancy2003

Matthew 19
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Please note born not choice.
There are those that are born that will not fit the male of female roll.
Homosexuality and transgender are conditions not choice.

As I asked before
When did you choose to be heterosexual?

Did you really have to think about it?

Vicky, how is it that you would bring the Scripture to me...you of all people who dont appreciate portions of Scripture being quote for their individual agenda.

Anyways enuchs... for the gospel sake, I think that is what the Catholics does...but the key in the phase is for the Kingdom of God...are you saying that the way you live is to bring attention and glory to the building and promotion of the Kingdom of God????

Some were born, some were made by man, and some become of their own choicing but to the glory of God!!!

If this is what you are about, than to God be the glory...if not dont play with the Word of God...or th God of the Bible, because when you can use words to mess with the minds of men, the God of the Bible promised that He will not be mock by His creation, for what a man sowth that shall he reap and for me that justice is good enough for.

So I sit, I read, I pray, and I wait...beside this chapter is soon to be concluded.

And on the matter of my sexuality...I was born female, I am female, I am woman, wife and mother...it is hard work, sometimes I would like to run away from the responsible of being a working homemaker, but we all cannt just give in to want we feel at times, Vicky...

Hi Dancy2003 whether you accept it or not in these few words Christ tells us that there will be human beings born that won't fit the male or female roll.

"and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake."

It does not say the born eunuch and the eunuch made by man is for the Kingdome of haven sake.

Also if you read Matthew 19 1-12 Christ gives two teachings here. 1 about marriage and divorce the other about human beings.

There is even visible proof in people born with ambiguous sex. In today’s western society they are looked on as abnormal. But are they really. Think about these words:
What is one-person trash is another person treasure.
What is one-person terrorist is another person freedom fighter.
What is one-person food is another person poison.
What is one person abnormal is another person normal.

That is why I say: you can never make someone who was born blind understand the color red.
I can in no way perceive what it is to be a real man never. I know how to act walk talk and dress like a man. I have learned to do it very well. But all the pretending and lying in the world will not make me a man.
Just because someone is born with perfectly good eyes, they might have still been born blind because of something in the brain. Someone may have been born with a perfectly good sex but because of something in the brain still can't fit the roll of the (so-called) normal male female.

WOW Vicky, who are you trying to convince here, me or yourself....
I mean you have to live with your choice and if there a consequences or rewards it is yours to bear....
You dont need to mix up the scripture to establish or justify you...Vicky
Besides we will all know one day...Until then in all things I will give God praise, and continue to learn about who He is and what He is about and would have me to do here on earth....fulfilling my role as a WOMAN!

Besides we will all know one day...Until then in all things I will give the Creator praise, and continue to learn about the Creator and what the Creator is about and would have me to do here on earth....fulfilling my role as a TRANSGENDER!
Not deviant or defective.

We are all part of the Creators plan. Nothing can exist with out the Creator creating it.

I have given you proof that humans are born different from being just male or female from Christ's own words in the Bible.

Yes we will all know on the Day of Judgment. But think about this. Did Christ treat people equal or did he discriminate. It’s all in the teachings of Christ the man who walked the earth.

What I see in most Christians is they draw a circle, which excludes those of us that are different. Christ welcomed all. So I draw a circle with an opening and all are welcome.