Very good point. I'll also add...
Mr. Josh McDowell, a noted Bible teacher, says that only God could have created a book which:
1. Has been transmitted accurately from the time it was originally written.
2. Is correct when it deals with historical people and events.
3. Contains no "scientific absurdities"
4. Remains true and relevant to all people for all time.
Additionally, God has chosen written communication as the primary means to deliver his message about the meaning of life. The reason is simple. For reliability you can not beat the written word. If you verbally tell someone something to someone, and that someone tells someone else, then the chances of something changing is very high. But when you write your message down and give it to someone else, there's no question as to what you said.



I will have to correct you the Bible is not accurate this was proven when the found the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Gnostic gospels. This is a fact (please note I said fact) The words of Buddha seem to be as accurate and much older so do some research and try again.
Try #2 read the last words of Jesus as he died on the cross, from Matthew Mark Luke and John. They are not the same which one is the accurate one??
Oh abd in ref to #3 KJV
# Numbers 23:22
God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.
Numbers 23:21-23 (in Context) Numbers 23 (Whole Chapter)
# Numbers 24:8
God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.
Numbers 24:7-9 (in Context) Numbers 24 (Whole Chapter)
# Deuteronomy 33:17
His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
Deuteronomy 33:16-18 (in Context) Deuteronomy 33 (Whole Chapter)
# Job 39:9
Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
Job 39:8-10 (in Context) Job 39 (Whole Chapter)
# Job 39:10
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
Job 39:9-11 (in Context) Job 39 (Whole Chapter)
# Psalm 22:21
Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
Psalm 22:20-22 (in Context) Psalm 22 (Whole Chapter)
# Psalm 29:6
He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.
Psalm 29:5-7 (in Context) Psalm 29 (Whole Chapter)
# Psalm 92:10
But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.
Psalm 92:9-11 (in Context) Psalm 92 (Whole Chapter)
# Isaiah 34:7
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
Isaiah 34:6-8 (in Context) Isaiah 34 (Whole Chapter)

big old round of appluase to CG. also how do i know i shouldnt be reading the koran (sp), maybe the jehovah witness bible, maybe i should become morman or luthran. all i know is in any event it seems as though the majority of us are goin to hell (believers, of the wrong faith; and non believers) and it is a toss up of who is goin the other direction.

I don't believe in hell as you seem to. If you are a Muslim then that is the Creators will. The Creator knows/knew you before the earth was Created. The Creator knew/knows who is saved as you think of it.
This might confuse you a bit more.
The Creator is just now Creating the earth and destorying it at the same time, The Creator is just now looking at your brith and death at the same time.

Hi all this is one that I feel is a very good question. I hear (so call them selves) Christians say this all the time “The Bible is the word of God”.

I say ok Prove it.

How about this? You prove that its not the word of God and then, we can go from there.

How about this? You prove that its not the word of God and then, we can go from there.


First you have to prove that god exists .. and i mean scientific facts :D

(playing devils advocate here)

How about this? You prove that its not the word of God and then, we can go from there.

I don't need to prove anything I am not the one telling people its the truth, the only way of life and salvation am I?
The burden of proof is on the ones saying we should believe.

If you are looking for rightness and wrongness, look to religion. If you are not, then don't. There is no such things as a right or wrong religion. That notion is dumb. That's like asking for a right or wrong language. All religions are the same. The right or wrong religion depends on you. Claiming that the Bible is false is childish.

Remember when you were 14 or 15 and you found out your parents lied about the tooth fairy or santa claus. But lying is malicious. They didn't maliciously mislead you. They were trying to teach you in a way that you could comprehend the lesson. When you become an adult you realize that lesson and recognize that it didn't matter if Santa was real or not. So you teach your children about Santa too, because upon adulthood you realize the value of faith.

So you can continue to be children and rant and rave about how wrong the Bible is and completely miss the valuable lessons, or you can grow up and stop this foolishness.

If you are looking for rightness and wrongness, look to religion. If you are not, then don't. There is no such things as a right or wrong religion. That notion is dumb. That's like asking for a right or wrong language. All religions are the same. The right or wrong religion depends on you. Claiming that the Bible is false is childish.
Remember when you were 14 or 15 and you found out your parents lied about the tooth fairy or santa claus. But lying is malicious. They didn't maliciously mislead you. They were trying to teach you in a way that you could comprehend the lesson. When you become an adult you realize that lesson and recognize that it didn't matter if Santa was real or not. So you teach your children about Santa too, because upon adulthood you realize the value of faith.
So you can continue to be children and rant and rave about how wrong the Bible is and completely miss the valuable lessons, or you can grow up and stop this foolishness.


one to talk, that was a childish rant, and this is a childish reply .. :D :escape:

If you are looking for rightness and wrongness, look to religion. If you are not, then don't. There is no such things as a right or wrong religion. That notion is dumb. That's like asking for a right or wrong language. All religions are the same. The right or wrong religion depends on you. I don't know what your hammer is made of but you are causing the nail heads to explod. Claiming that the Bible is false is childish. I never said the Bible is false.
Remember when you were 14 or 15 and you found out your parents lied about the tooth fairy or santa claus. But lying is malicious. They didn't maliciously mislead you. They were trying to teach you in a way that you could comprehend the lesson. When you become an adult you realize that lesson and recognize that it didn't matter if Santa was real or not. So you teach your children about Santa too, because upon adulthood you realize the value of faith.
So you can continue to be children and rant and rave about how wrong the Bible is and completely miss the valuable lessons, or you can grow up and stop this foolishness.

Faith is not fact if it were fact there would be no need for faith.

Faith is fact.

Is it a fact that the Sun will come out tomorrow?? Facts show that it normally does. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it will. A fact is historical. There are no facts about the future. We believe that there is. We build our whole loves having faith that the future is 1 milli-second from now. Its all the same kettle of fish.

Faith is fact.
Is it a fact that the Sun will come out tomorrow?? Facts show that it normally does. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it will. A fact is historical. There are no facts about the future. We believe that there is. We build our whole loves having faith that the future is 1 milli-second from now. Its all the same kettle of fish.


faith - Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

Faith is fact.
Is it a fact that the Sun will come out tomorrow?? Facts show that it normally does. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it will. A fact is historical. There are no facts about the future. We believe that there is. We build our whole loves having faith that the future is 1 milli-second from now. Its all the same kettle of fish.

Fact if you die right now the sun will still rise tomorrow. I totaly understand what you are saying but it is out of context here. The faith that is being referred to in this thread is religious faith.

Fact the Bible will never be proven to be fact by human beings. To have faith that the Bible is fact is nothing more than faith.

First you have to prove that god exists .. and i mean scientific facts :D
(playing devils advocate here)


Hey! Devil advocate! Where do we start? Research 101...you start scientific research with the null hypothesis! And the null usually attempts to prove absence not presence of the variable of interest! Sooooo, you first! :duh:

By the way...use any scientific fact you like, then you prove that God does not exist!

Remember, all facts now...no hoky poky stuff! In case you have forgetten, the protocol for determining scientific facts goes roughly like this::rolleyes:

1. Observation
2. Collection of data
3. Demonstration/experimentation
4. Presentation or display of findings

:dancer2:

You are the one with something to prove, something we cant see, or touch, something that cant be tested, metered, or sold on Ebay ... so there is nothing of existence that anyone has to prove doesn't exist, first you need to prove it exists, besides the fact that noone cares enough to try to prove it doesnt exist, only those that think something exists, seems to believe it is real, and since it is not something you can prove, that is why you havent been able to bring forth any proof ..

:D :what:

I don't believe in hell as you seem to. If you are a Muslim then that is the Creators will. The Creator knows/knew you before the earth was Created. The Creator knew/knows who is saved as you think of it.
This might confuse you a bit more.
The Creator is just now Creating the earth and destorying it at the same time, The Creator is just now looking at your brith and death at the same time.


thats the thing I am not sure if I do believe in heaven or hell. I am leaning towards nothingness becuase there is simply more evidence of that, I am just working through all these things that have been instilled in me, I aslo need to look for a new religion/denomantaion. when I get some time I need to check the methodist out.

I got the part where u said the creator knew me b for i was created and knew id i /we are going to hell be fore hand and who will be save d and who wont b. that was apart of me religious upbringing god/creator is all knowing.

the part about looking at my birth and death the same time excapes me

How about this? You prove that its not the word of God and then, we can go from there.


i dont know about the other but I am not loooking for proof such as god coming down and saying yeah i wrote it u got beef? or a pic of him writing it or dictating to a profet. I would just like some of these big mass wholes to get smaller, I can not believe in something that is illogical, that just against my nature. I have tried to look past it but cant so I decided let me stop foolin the public and myself by sittin in church, knowin I have doubts.

some logical conclusions would be nice but I have to say the christian faith doesnt seem to have any and what ever is offered turns out to be deductive conclusions.