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gian_18778
11-14-05, - 09:44 PM
As no one knows the date it was written - that is overstated. Most of it was likely written during the Babylonian Captivity (586 - 538 B.C.) The writers relied heavily on the Babylonian writings such as the "Epic of Gilgamesh" where the story of the worldwide flood was taken. They also had a similar account of creation.



The Bible's primary language was Hebrew, and it's secondary language was Greek. The Hebrew language is the original language of the Old Testament and of the Jewish (or Hebrew) people. It is a precise, pictoral, and personal language. Bible scholar F.F. Bruce wrote that Hebrew is "the right sort of language for the record of the self-revelation of a God who does not make himself known by philosophical propositions, but by controlling and intervening in the course of human history."

Greek is the primary language of the New Testament, and again, there is a reason. For one thing, it was the language spoken by most of the world at that time of Christ. This meant that the scriptures which were distributed to the known world after Jesus left earth could be read by most people. It was the ideal language for the transmission of the gospel. Furthermore, as Geisler says, Greek was an intellectual language, which was perfect for expression of the "propositional truth" of the New Testament.


Just as the two major languages of the Bible were important to its accuracy and reliability, the materials on which the words were recorded had to be reliable as well. Here's a list of different materials use:

Clay - Used as early as 3500 B.C., clay was practical because the material could be inscribed with a stylus while soft

Stone - The Biblical writers chisled the words onto stone tablets. This method was very permanent and probably the reason why God asked Moses to record his law with it (Exodus 24:12). This is also the first portion of Scripture to go into a second printing (Exodus 32:19, 34:1).

Papyrus - This material was huge in Eygpt as early as 3100 B.C. Papyrus is a plant whose fibers were pressed together to create a writing surface.

Vellum, parchment, leather - Various animal skins were popular forms of writing material.

Paper - The Chinese invented paper in the 2nd century.


God used the Holy Spirit to inspire 40 different writers over a period of 1500 years to write down HIS words. When we get inspired we get motivated. But literally speaking, inspire means "to breathe or blow into". Inspiration describes the process by which God gave HIS message to human authors, who received it and wrote it down.

All scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It straightens us out and teaches us to do what is right. (2 Timothy 3:16)

God, who is perfect, used a foolproof means to get HIS message into print. He "breathed in" what HE wanted. Nothing more, nothing less. God's breath gives life. When God breathed into human authors, He gave LIFE to HIS word. God also gave life to man when HE created him. The Bible says that when God formed Adam's body from dust of the ground, He "breathed into it the breath of life."









That remains to be seen, as "all time" has not expired yet! Also, many people do not find it true or relevant at all now a days!
The Bible is a book of faith and some facts, and some history, but it is more a book of faith.(Just like every other Holy Book.) If it is read like a history book, the meaning of its faith message is lost and one is left with cold "facts."



The Bible is infallible and inerrant, which means that it is completely true. This is because God, who is the Author, is incapable of error. With that said, the writers of the early Bible were using the most practical and reliable materials availible at the time. The total canon of scripture, that is, all 66 books of the Bible, was recogized as the authorative Word of God by the 4th century A.D. After that time, there had to be a process in which the Bible was preserved for the future.


Another important factor is the Bible's *canonicity*, which is the process by which church leaders recognized certain books of the Bible as being *inspired by God*. The canon describes which books make up the bible we use today. The word comes from the root word *reed*, which was used as a measuring stick in ancient times. When applied to scripture, canon indicates the measure or standard used to evaluate which books were inspired and which one's weren't.

Some Bibles, most notably, the New Jerusalem Bible, include a section of books between the Old and New Testaments called the Apocrypa. The name itself means "hidden", or "non-canonical." Although these books have historical value, the early church fathers decided that they were not inspired. More than a thousand years later (in 1546 at the Council of Trent), the Roman Catholic Church declared the following apocryphal books to be canonical: Tobit, Judith, the Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, and I and II Maccabees.

According to Geisler, the scriptures had to be copied, translated, recopied, and retranslated. This process not only provided the Scriptures for other nations, but for other generations as well. The accuracy of these copies is critical to the Bibles we currently use, which is why God selected to transmit his word through language. God did not choose Hebrew and Greek at random, but for specific purposes, which helped transmit the Bible accurately from ancient times to today. God enabled people to use language, and then he picked the best languages possible for communicating HIS message to us.


Bible translators worked from the most reliable (which usually means the oldest) manuscripts of the original Bible languages availible. The oldest and most trusted Bible manuscripts, called the Dead Sea Scrolls, were not uncovered until 1947. Most Bible translations since then, have been based on these historic Bible manuscripts.


From the earliest times, Jewish scribes had to follow detailed procedures for copying scripture. These rules helped to ensure total concentration and accuracy. Their meticulous approach set the standard for monks and other scholars who have transcribed the Bible through the ages.


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No word or letter or any other mark maybe written from memory. The scribe must look directly at the original scroll for every stroke.


And that's only one of many!

i-omega
11-14-05, - 09:51 PM
are you kiddin?

RockWell
11-14-05, - 10:07 PM
are you kiddin?
Hey! Where ya been man,long time no hear from. :bye:

bahmaboy
11-15-05, - 12:03 AM
thanks for that history lesson on the bible. when u spoke of god inspiring the writers of the bible I could help but think about the preachers, bishops, pastors,profets etc. who get up in front of a crowd and says God told me to tell you all, or God inspired what I am about to say, I got this message from God etc.

perhaps thats why there are soooo many plain ole contridictions in the bible, man wrote what they thought god said or what they thought he inspired them to do. it is my thought that if they bible was truely 100% inspired by God alot of the mis nomers would not be there.

BTW- has anybody on here been inspired or lead by god to do something, if so what was it and how do you truely know it was God and not just ur subconscious or hidden desires.

also does anybody on here speak in tongues, I just learned how to.

Rory
11-15-05, - 12:09 AM
i never said I didnt believe in a god, like i said, was playing the advocate, maybe i dont believe what everyone else does ...i know there has to be something that created the earth, and somethings that happened to me, surviving them happened for a reason . dont know what that is, but im still here..

bahmaboy
11-15-05, - 12:23 AM
i never said I didnt believe in a god, like i said, was playing the advocate, maybe i dont believe what everyone else does ...i know there has to be something that created the earth, and somethings that happened to me, surviving them happened for a reason . dont know what that is, but im still here..


who r u talkin.

BTW i think that is just randomness and destiny. When u spray up the room with roach spray and 1 survive do u think it was the lord almighty that cuased his survival? I am just asking, not tryin to vinditivie

Rory
11-15-05, - 12:29 AM
who r u talkin.
BTW i think that is just randomness and destiny. When u spray up the room with roach spray and 1 survive do u think it was the lord almighty that cuased his survival? I am just asking, not tryin to vinditivie



Huh ..?? Lord Almuighty .. :rolleyes:

canitry
11-15-05, - 01:33 AM
I do speak in tongues, but that private to recharge me, I don't agree with your view about their being mistakes in the bible, look at how God allow us to see all the things we are doing now was done already and we can see and learn not too or how to move away from it I think the bible is Awesome and is for real, it doesn't hide anything the way man would have, if he did it on his own, without being inspired.:dancer2:

Rory
11-15-05, - 05:06 AM
I do speak in tongues, but that private to recharge me, I don't agree with your view about their being mistakes in the bible, look at how God allow us to see all the things we are doing now was done already and we can see and learn not too or how to move away from it I think the bible is Awesome and is for real, it doesn't hide anything the way man would have, if he did it on his own, without being inspired.:dancer2:


So how do you know, or prove, the bible is not fictitous, as really it is just a book of fiction that has been translated too many times ? This is the current topic .. ??

BTW: Christians back in the day, burned people on the cross that spoke in toungues. HHHhhhmmmmm.. can u say witchcraft ....

Vicky
11-15-05, - 07:07 AM
thats the thing I am not sure if I do believe in heaven or hell. I am leaning towards nothingness becuase there is simply more evidence of that, I am just working through all these things that have been instilled in me,This is good seek for your self. But don't just look within Christianity and you may see as I have that the Creator exists in all things. I aslo need to look for a new religion/denomantaion. when I get some time I need to check the methodist out.
I got the part where u said the creator knew me b for i was created and knew id i /we are going to hell be fore hand and who will be save d and who wont b. that was apart of me religious upbringing god/creator is all knowing.
the part about looking at my birth and death the same time excapes me

Do you think the Creator is existing in time as we are???

i-omega
11-16-05, - 11:45 AM
Hey! Where ya been man,long time no hear from. :bye:
just blowin in tha winds,i miss the site no doubt :D bless

Great Demos
11-16-05, - 10:02 PM
i dont know about the other but I am not loooking for proof such as god coming down and saying yeah i wrote it u got beef? or a pic of him writing it or dictating to a profet. I would just like some of these big mass wholes to get smaller, I can not believe in something that is illogical, that just against my nature. I have tried to look past it but cant so I decided let me stop foolin the public and myself by sittin in church, knowin I have doubts.
some logical conclusions would be nice but I have to say the christian faith doesnt seem to have any and what ever is offered turns out to be deductive conclusions.

Bahmaboy, when considering the Bible and God's word, *logical* is hardly the word to use. Our little human pea-size brain is as NOTHING compared to the all-encompassing power, knowledge, wisdom, etc, of Almighty God! And as the Bible says, "our (man's) wisdom is foolishness to Him!"

The following statement, which I mentioned on this forum some years ago, I believe will help when dealing with things divine. It is from an old spiritual author: "Human knowledge must be understood to be believed, but divine knowledge must be believed to be understood!" Hope this helps.

bahmaboy
11-17-05, - 12:47 AM
Bahmaboy, when considering the Bible and God's word, *logical* is hardly the word to use. Our little human pea-size brain is as NOTHING compared to the all-encompassing power, knowledge, wisdom, etc, of Almighty God! And as the Bible says, "our (man's) wisdom is foolishness to Him!"
The following statement, which I mentioned on this forum some years ago, I believe will help when dealing with things divine. It is from an old spiritual author: "Human knowledge must be understood to be believed, but divine knowledge must be believed to be understood!" Hope this helps.

Been there heard it before GD, ......God is so all knowing, powerful etc we insignificant humans could never understand him or his ways.
unfortunalty I do not believe this is the proper way of "understanding" or not trying to understand god,life,earth,heaven,hell etc. I WILL NOT lay back and take it. ie I believe in God, heven,helll etc and I will never/shouldnt/couldnt seriously question the reality of these things becuase I could never possible understand it.
Also in reality I am not questioning god/creator/heaven/hell etc, I am question what has been put before me as such. When I say put before me I dont mean just the way I was raised but also how the world and the majority of people seem to align with this view of things. How many cartoons/tv shows have I seen where they made references to hell as if it was real. How many times have I heard people say,"it is hot as hell in here" as if it was a real place. how many depictions of angels have I seen as if they were real. All of these have been presented to me all my life from all different arena's as if they were real
Perhaps this is why so many believe in it no matter how illogical it is, becuase we are subconsciously bombarded with references to its realism 24/7
well my brudda I am questioning and finding answers, conclusions.
one thing i have concluded is that many principles of christianinity play on our emotions and use deductive logic and arguments to make its beliefs sound or at least seem sound.
u know what i was just thinkin today. Is religion, any kind of religion, for the uneducated? I am not saying that people that believe in religion are uneducated or dim witted I use the term uneducated loosely cuase I am at a lose for another word.
what I mean is: you know how in previous times people would believe in several gods, they would pray to the god of rain for rain, the god of harvest for a good farming season etc., on top of that they would throw festivals to apease the god or gods, they would sacrifice humans, alot of the times it had to b a virgin, they did things like chanting a line 5 hundred times, every 2 days etc. throw some bird poop over their shoulder (lol. I dont know if they did that).
My point is it all seems silly and most of us would say, "them pple fool hey." but isnt that basicaly the same thing people do today. So is all religions just a bunch of sillyness. And thes religious periodicals are just the sillyness being passed down for yrs. Growing up I was tuaght any other religion outside of ours religion was foolishness, now it seems to me we are just apart of that bunch.
to vik- thats a very good question. Do I think the creator is existing in time as we are. It depends on your view of the creator. Based on my socialized view no he doesnt. that view says the creator can not die, he doesnt age, and 1 day to him is like a thousand to us. so it seems his existence in time is different. Also if he/she/it existed in time as we did how can he/she/it sit back and do nothing whilst all this crap takes place. If he/she/it has the power to do so y not make this poop end right now. The longer the wait the worse it gets and the more people are born to endure it.
Maybe that one day to him/her/it is 1k to us, might have some validity to it. ie when he/she/it does finally do something about this mess he/she/it created it could be 1 million plus yrs to us but 36 months to he/she/it
I know some are like where this he/she/it comin from but I have had a picture of jesus in my house for the longest time and just relise that, that image of a pretty white man, glowing all over is definatly a false depiction. likewise Believing that god/creator has a penis, the criteria to be reffered to as a he, is silly and a false depiction that has been passed down for yrs, i mean what would he do with thing. that means there must be a miss god/creator doesnt it. worst yet that means he must have a brain,heart,lungs etc.
Also I am questing christianity most becuase it is the religion with the most serious implications ie eternity in hell, oh no. Perhaps this is another reason so many people cloak up in their sunday best, putting aside their doubts. They aint tryin to gamble on being wrong. LOL. This is probably the reason christianinty is sooo wide spread.
on the speaking in tongues issue, how can a true christian not believe in it?

Vicky
11-17-05, - 05:15 PM
Been there heard it before GD, ......God is so all knowing, powerful etc we insignificant humans could never understand him or his ways.
unfortunalty I do not believe this is the proper way of "understanding" or not trying to understand god,life,earth,heaven,hell etc. I WILL NOT lay back and take it. ie I believe in God, heven,helll etc and I will never/shouldnt/couldnt seriously question the reality of these things becuase I could never possible understand it.
Also in reality I am not questioning god/creator/heaven/hell etc, I am question what has been put before me as such. When I say put before me I dont mean just the way I was raised but also how the world and the majority of people seem to align with this view of things. Just a quick clear up majority of the world is not Christian. How many cartoons/tv shows have I seen where they made references to hell as if it was real. How many times have I heard people say,"it is hot as hell in here" as if it was a real place. how many depictions of angels have I seen as if they were real. All of these have been presented to me all my life from all different arena's as if they were real
Perhaps this is why so many believe in it no matter how illogical it is, becuase we are subconsciously bombarded with references to its realism 24/7
well my brudda I am questioning and finding answers, conclusions.
one thing i have concluded is that many principles of christianinity play on our emotions and use deductive logic and arguments to make its beliefs sound or at least seem sound.
u know what i was just thinkin today. Is religion, any kind of religion, for the uneducated? I am not saying that people that believe in religion are uneducated or dim witted I use the term uneducated loosely cuase I am at a lose for another word.
what I mean is: you know how in previous times people would believe in several gods, they would pray to the god of rain for rain, the god of harvest for a good farming season etc., on top of that they would throw festivals to apease the god or gods, they would sacrifice humans, alot of the times it had to b a virgin, they did things like chanting a line 5 hundred times, every 2 days etc. throw some bird poop over their shoulder (lol. I dont know if they did that).
My point is it all seems silly and most of us would say, "them pple fool hey." but isnt that basicaly the same thing people do today. So is all religions just a bunch of sillyness. And thes religious periodicals are just the sillyness being passed down for yrs. Growing up I was tuaght any other religion outside of ours religion was foolishness, now it seems to me we are just apart of that bunch.
to vik- thats a very good question. Do I think the creator is existing in time as we are. It depends on your view of the creator. Based on my socialized view no he doesnt. that view says the creator can not die, he doesnt age, and 1 day to him is like a thousand to us. so it seems his existence in time is different. Also if he/she/it existed in time as we did how can he/she/it sit back and do nothing whilst all this crap takes place. If he/she/it has the power to do so y not make this poop end right now. The longer the wait the worse it gets and the more people are born to endure it.
Maybe that one day to him/her/it is 1k to us, might have some validity to it. ie when he/she/it does finally do something about this mess he/she/it created it could be 1 million plus yrs to us but 36 months to he/she/it
I know some are like where this he/she/it comin from but I have had a picture of jesus in my house for the longest time and just relise that, that image of a pretty white man, glowing all over is definatly a false depiction. likewise Believing that god/creator has a penis, the criteria to be reffered to as a he, is silly and a false depiction that has been passed down for yrs, i mean what would he do with thing. that means there must be a miss god/creator doesnt it. worst yet that means he must have a brain,heart,lungs etc.
Also I am questing christianity most becuase it is the religion with the most serious implications ie eternity in hell, oh no. Perhaps this is another reason so many people cloak up in their sunday best, putting aside their doubts. They aint tryin to gamble on being wrong. LOL. This is probably the reason christianinty is sooo wide spread.
on the speaking in tongues issue, how can a true christian not believe in it?

Renee Forbes
07-12-06, - 03:55 PM
It is so easy to prove the Bible is the word of the Creator: Just DO what he says! Jesus Christ taught "If any man do the will, he will know the doctrine whether it is of God or not..." (John 7) If you DON'T DO what He says, you will still find out what He says is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH! That's the interesting and exciting thing about the Bible!