actually its a faith so noone really has to prove it doesnt exist, and that said, a person that believes in said faith, shouldnt need to prove it exists either .. once they believe in it themselves, then it matters not what anyone else believes.

Can anyone prove water is water without using H2 O????? Why then ask to prove the Bible is the word of the Creator without using the Word of God. Nevertheless, Jesus did say tell them Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. He also promised to be with His disciples confirming the Word with signs following. Jesus wants you to know the truth and when it is faithfully proclaimed, He will let you know in a way you personally can understand that "That's the truth you just heard!"
It is time to get serious about your eternal destination. It is not worth the risk you are taking. Job asked a question: "Where can you find wisdom?" He concluded by saying that God can tell you where to get wisdom and how to find understanding and this is what he says God said: "The fear of God, that is wisdom and to depart from evil, that is understanding."

Can anyone prove water is water without using H2 O????? Why then ask to prove the Bible is the word of the Creator without using the Word of God. Nevertheless, Jesus did say tell them Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. He also promised to be with His disciples confirming the Word with signs following. Jesus wants you to know the truth and when it is faithfully proclaimed, He will let you know in a way you personally can understand that "That's the truth you just heard!"


Good point Renee, welcome to the site :)

Hey Vicky..just as an interesting sidebar question to you..given the times in which we live, YOU are a walking, breathing contradiction too - so I guess you, like the Bible, aint as authentic as is vehemently argued either eh?
Just a question...

I am not sure I understand your question
But I am not saying the Bible is not the Bible. The Bible is very much the Bible. But no one has yet to prove the Bible is the word of God the Creator.

Can anyone prove water is water without using H2 O????? Why then ask to prove the Bible is the word of the Creator without using the Word of God. Nevertheless, Jesus did say tell them Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. He also promised to be with His disciples confirming the Word with signs following. Jesus wants you to know the truth and when it is faithfully proclaimed, He will let you know in a way you personally can understand that "That's the truth you just heard!"

Water is water you can touch it
The Bible is the Bible you can touch it no argument there. But it does not prove it is the word of the Creator.
Most all religions say there holy writings come for the Creator and other gods.

Here try this one. Is Valhalla any less than Heaven. Or is it Heaven by a different understanding??
Viking Prayer:
Lo, there do I see my father
Lo, there do I see my mother, my sisters and my brothers
Lo, there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo, they do call to me. They bid me take my place among them in the halls of Valhalla
Where the brave may live forever.

There are many things that make someone brave.

actually its a faith so noone really has to prove it doesnt exist, and that said, a person that believes in said faith, shouldnt need to prove it exists either .. once they believe in it themselves, then it matters not what anyone else believes.

Now you have said a mouth full Rory and you hit the nail on the head.

Faith is believing with out proof and there is nothing wrong with that, it is actualy an awesome thing to have.

And just because some one does not believe as you do makes them no greater or lesser a human being.

But when people try to say their faith is fact they out right LIE.

and its over with just these 2 words... Prove it.

Water is water you can touch it
The Bible is the Bible you can touch it no argument there. But it does not prove it is the word of the Creator.
Most all religions say there holy writings come for the Creator and other gods.
Here try this one. Is Valhalla any less than Heaven. Or is it Heaven by a different understanding??
Viking Prayer:
Lo, there do I see my father
Lo, there do I see my mother, my sisters and my brothers
Lo, there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo, they do call to me. They bid me take my place among them in the halls of Valhalla
Where the brave may live forever.
There are many things that make someone brave.
Hmm! You do know that thats the Viking's Death Prayer right?

Now you have said a mouth full Rory and you hit the nail on the head.
Faith is believing with out proof and there is nothing wrong with that, it is actualy an awesome thing to have.
And just because some one does not believe as you do makes them no greater or lesser a human being.
But when people try to say their faith is fact they out right LIE.
and its over with just these 2 words... Prove it.

Boy some people really kill me. Since you appear to want to be the poster man for "proof", care to share the parameters for this proof you are demanding?

You are obviously not a man of science so I dont expect anything scientific to be proferred by you - but nonetheless, please state the laymen's parameters for the proof you want.

Not that it would ultimately matter, because for example of research and belief for instance - even Einstein in his writings at the end of his life concluded that God must exist, but he could not resolve in his mind to serve God because of all the evil that existed in the world - you are aware of his research and writings on First Cause right?

Notwithstanding his conclusions on First Cause, it would still not cause a doubter or a person who has obvious reasons to challenge, to believe..because no matter what "proof" is presented here - if its doesnt match VICK's truth, VICK still wont accept it - so just be real and quit acting like you are actually willing to accept something you have already decided you will not accept.

Because suppose you do get your "proof" that the Bible is indeed God's word, and suppose you do get "proof" that God doesnt approve of homosexuality - will YOUR view change?

Boy some people really kill me. Since you appear to want to be the poster man for "proof", care to share the parameters for this proof you are demanding?
You are obviously not a man of science so I dont expect anything scientific to be proferred by you - but nonetheless, please state the laymen's parameters for the proof you want.
Not that it would ultimately matter, because for example of research and belief for instance - even Einstein in his writings at the end of his life concluded that God must exist, but he could not resolve in his mind to serve God because of all the evil that existed in the world - you are aware of his research and writings on First Cause right?
Notwithstanding his conclusions on First Cause, it would still not cause a doubter or a person who has obvious reasons to challenge, to believe..because no matter what "proof" is presented here - if its doesnt match VICK's truth, VICK still wont accept it - so just be real and quit acting like you are actually willing to accept something you have already decided you will not accept.
Because suppose you do get your "proof" that the Bible is indeed God's word, and suppose you do get "proof" that God doesnt approve of homosexuality - will YOUR view change?
NOPE & NO!

Faith is believing with out proof and there is nothing wrong with that, it is actualy an awesome thing to have. .. Prove it.
:dgi: :footmouth :dgi: :voodoo: :shhh: :voodoo: :gi: :titongue: :tdown:

Hmm! You do know that thats the Viking's Death Prayer right?

I did write Viking Prayer above it or did you miss it..

Here try this one. Is Valhalla any less than Heaven. Or is it Heaven by a different understanding??
Viking Prayer:
fat chance:footmouth

Because suppose you do get your "proof" that the Bible is indeed God's word, and suppose you do get "proof" that God doesnt approve of homosexuality - will YOUR view change?

Yes

Now how about you what will you do if you learn the Creator created homosexuals and approve of them what would you do will you accept it??
Would you treat homosexuals with equality and respect if told to by the Creator????

Not realy part of this thread but anyawy.


Oh I never said the Creator does not exist.

Yes
Now how about you what will you do if you learn the Creator created homosexuals and approve of them what would you do will you accept it??
Would you treat homosexuals with equality and respect if told to by the Creator????Not realy part of this thread but anyawy.
Oh I never said the Creator does not exist.
You still (not surprisingly) havent responded to the meat of my post to you. You are asking for proof. State your parameters. Responding to my question by putting one to me doesnt exactly cut it.

As for your statement on God's existance, I didnt say you said God doesnt exist. If, respectfully, you had read carefully or understood what I posted you would have seen that I used the Einstein model as an example that even though he concluded God must exist, that conclusion doesnt cause those who just dont believe God exists, to suddenly believe.

As for your question about how I would treat a homosexual..I would treat him the same way I do now - JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

So then - parameters please...

fat chance:footmouth

Prove Valhalla is not Heaven.
Remember "In my Fathers house there are many mansions"

And here is somting I found very interesting
http://www.livingstonemusic.net/godmen.htm