You still (not surprisingly) havent responded to the meat of my post to you. You are asking for proof. State your parameters. Responding to my question by putting one to me doesnt exactly cut it.
As for your statement on God's existance, I didnt say you said God doesnt exist. If, respectfully, you had read carefully or understood what I posted you would have seen that I used the Einstein model as an example that even though he concluded God must exist, that conclusion doesnt cause those who just dont believe God exists, to suddenly believe.
As for your question about how I would treat a homosexual..I would treat him the same way I do now - JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
So then - parameters please...

Try to prove the Bible is the word of God the creator with what ever you wish except the Bible itself. Because the Bible is what is in question.

BTW I believe the Bible contains the word of the Creator like many other holy writings contain the word of the Creator. But that is not what is in question here now is it.

Try to prove the Bible is the word of God the creator with what ever you wish except the Bible itself. Because the Bible is what is in question.
BTW I believe the Bible contains the word of the Creator like many other holy writings contain the word of the Creator. But that is not what is in question here now is it.
lol...oh I get it..so now you actually BELIEVE in what you are asking people to prove..you just want them to prove it to tickle your penchant for trying to outwit persons of faith..oh ok I get it now.

Meanwhile you are asking for proof, but you dont really know what proof constitutes, or what the substantive elements of that proof would be.

I see. You still mixed up. Thats fine. We are all still on a journey.

I did write Viking Prayer above it or did you miss it..
DEATH ma bey, DEATH PRAYER.

lol...oh I get it..so now you actually BELIEVE in what you are asking people to prove..you just want them to prove it to tickle your penchant for trying to outwit persons of faith..oh ok I get it now.
Meanwhile you are asking for proof, but you dont really know what proof constitutes, or what the substantive elements of that proof would be.
I see. You still mixed up. Thats fine. We are all still on a journey.

You don't understand it only contains as in different parts much of it is folklore myth, history, out dated laws and some good suggestion to live by. Do I believe it is the only way to be close with the Creator. No All are part of the Creator's plan.

In a court of law, the accused would be allowed to defend him/herself when faced with the claims of his/her adversary. If the adversary was calling the defendant a liar, and at the same time quoting the words of the defendant to support the adversary's point, that may be well and good. But the scenario would take on an interesting twist, if after all the accusations were made, the adversary throws in a stipulation to the court that the defendant not be allowed to answer the charges by speaking one word in his/her defence. Witnesses would then have to be called in who can refute the allegations. Jesus Christ is not short on witnesses! You see, I was lost in sin when I had occasion to read a New King James Version of the Holy Bible. After reading, I came to the conclusion, that "If this Bible is true, I am going to hell!" I had to find a way of escape. I kept reading the Bible when I came to the scripture "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believe in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16 "So God loved the world? Hmmm... well that includes me!" I thought, and "Yes, I do believe in His Son! hmmm... so I don't have to perish? What a relief!" I repented of all my sins, without being told that this was a criteria for forgiveness. After I did this, God spoke to me in an audible voice and this is what He said: "You must be born again!" I said, "Yes! If there is anything I need, I need to be a brand new person!" I made up my mind that the first church I walked into that preached the sermon "You must be born again" I would surrender my life to Jesus Christ. Shortly thereafter, a friend of mine invited me to visit a church which she said would make a nice church home, I went to the night service with her. Lo and behold the Pastor opened his Bible and said, my topic tonight is taken from John 3:3 'You Must Be Born Again!'" That happened 24 years ago. Jesus Christ walked with me every step of the way to that altar and He is still with me today and will be with me forever and I could go on and on and tell you of my friends he has healed from AIDS, Cancer, Heart conditions, etc. I could tell you of the innumerable people I have met with powerful testimonies of God's miracle working power in their lives. He can do the same for you too, if you would only let Him. Will you?:angel:

:"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved." John 3:16-17[/COLOR]]
In a court of law, the accused would be allowed to defend him/herself when faced with the claims of his/her adversary. If the adversary was calling the defendant a liar, and at the same time quoting the words of the defendant to support the adversary's point, that may be well and good. But the scenario would take on an interesting twist, if after all the accusations were made, the adversary throws in a stipulation to the court that the defendant not be allowed to answer the charges by speaking one word in his/her defence. Witnesses would then have to be called in who can refute the allegations. Jesus Christ is not short on witnesses! You see, I was lost in sin when I had occasion to read a New King James Version of the Holy Bible. After reading, I came to the conclusion, that "If this Bible is true, I am going to hell!" I had to find a way of escape. I kept reading the Bible when I came to the scripture "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believe in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16 "So God loved the world? Hmmm... well that includes me!" I thought, and "Yes, I do believe in His Son! hmmm... so I don't have to perish? What a relief!" I repented of all my sins, without being told that this was a criteria for forgiveness. After I did this, God spoke to me in an audible voice and this is what He said: "You must be born again!" I said, "Yes! If there is anything I need, I need to be a brand new person!" I made up my mind that the first church I walked into that preached the sermon "You must be born again" I would surrender my life to Jesus Christ. Shortly thereafter, a friend of mine invited me to visit a church which she said would make a nice church home, I went to the night service with her. Lo and behold the Pastor opened his Bible and said, my topic tonight is taken from John 3:3 'You Must Be Born Again!'" That happened 24 years ago. Jesus Christ walked with me every step of the way to that altar and He is still with me today and will be with me forever and I could go on and on and tell you of my friends he has healed from AIDS, Cancer, Heart conditions, etc. I could tell you of the innumerable people I have met with powerful testimonies of God's miracle working power in their lives. He can do the same for you too, if you would only let Him. Will you?:angel:
Thanks to all those who welcomed me!

DEATH ma bey, DEATH PRAYER.


You said Viking death prayer.
I said Viking prayer. I am not wrong it is still a Viking prayer.

In a court of law, the accused would be allowed to defend him/herself when faced with the claims of his/her adversary. If the adversary was calling the defendant a liar, and at the same time quoting the words of the defendant to support the adversary's point, that may be well and good. But the scenario would take on an interesting twist, if after all the accusations were made, the adversary throws in a stipulation to the court that the defendant not be allowed to answer the charges by speaking one word in his/her defence. Witnesses would then have to be called in who can refute the allegations. Jesus Christ is not short on witnesses! Now you are using hear sayand that is not proof. You see, I was lost in sin when I had occasion to read a New King James Version of the Holy Bible. After reading, I came to the conclusion, that "If this Bible is true, I am going to hell!" If is a very big word I had to find a way of escape. I kept reading the Bible when I came to the scripture "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believe in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16 "So God loved the world? Hmmm... well that includes me!" I thought, and "Yes, I do believe in His Son! This is good I am glad for you. But it will never make it fact. But here is a fact. Virgin birth is not new to religion. Nor is the sacrafice of a godman for the salvation of the world. hmmm... so I don't have to perish? What a relief!" I repented of all my sins, without being told that this was a criteria for forgiveness. After I did this, God spoke to me in an audible voice and this is what He said: "You must be born again!" I said, "Yes! If there is anything I need, I need to be a brand new person!" I made up my mind that the first church I walked into that preached the sermon "You must be born again" I would surrender my life to Jesus Christ. Shortly thereafter, a friend of mine invited me to visit a church which she said would make a nice church home, I went to the night service with her. Lo and behold the Pastor opened his Bible and said, my topic tonight is taken from John 3:3 'You Must Be Born Again!'" That happened 24 years ago. Jesus Christ walked with me every step of the way to that altar and He is still with me today and will be with me forever and I could go on and on and tell you of my friends he has healed from AIDS, Cancer, Heart conditions, etc.Uh cured of HIV prove it. I could tell you of the innumerable people I have met with powerful testimonies of God's miracle working power in their lives. He can do the same for you too, if you would only let Him. Will you?:angel:

None of this proves the Bible is the word of the Creator. All faith have ther miracals nothing new.

You said Viking death prayer.
I said Viking prayer. I am not wrong it is still a Viking prayer.

Some interesting quotes for you:
"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain
"You can only find truth with logic if you have already found it without it." Gilbert Keith Chesterton
"What can you say about a society that says God is dead and Elvis is alive?" Irv Kupcinet
"Love truth and pardon error." Voltaire
"The first and last thing required of genius is the love of truth." Johann Wolfgang van Goethe
"If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed: And you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." Jesus Christ, John 8:31-32:angel:

Some interesting quotes for you:
"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain
"You can only find truth with logic if you have already found it without it." Gilbert Keith Chesterton
"What can you say about a society that says God is dead and Elvis is alive?" Irv Kupcinet
"Love truth and pardon error." Voltaire
"The first and last thing required of genius is the love of truth." Johann Wolfgang van Goethe
"If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed: And you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." Jesus Christ, John 8:31-32:angel:


Preach! Preach!
Vicky take da eye shadow off ya eye 'cause it blinding ya

Some interesting quotes for you:
"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain
And Christianity has gone how far???
"You can only find truth with logic if you have already found it without it." Gilbert Keith ChestertonThis is so true and it applies to you as well.
"What can you say about a society that says God is dead and Elvis is alive?" Irv KupcinetWho said the Creator is dead??
"Love truth and pardon error." Voltaire and be aware of those that claim truth when their very foundation is in error. Especaialy when they are willing to kill to maintain their truth.
"The first and last thing required of genius is the love of truth." Johann Wolfgang van Goethe Again another good one and this should make you look at youself and your faith.
"If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed: And you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." Jesus Christ, John 8:31-32:angel:

"Truth is truth no matter where it comes from"
"Blind faith is worse than ignorance"

Preach! Preach!
Vicky take da eye shadow off ya eye 'cause it blinding ya

Actualy da eye shadow made me see better the lies, hate, tourtur, murder, and theift in the name of christanity, Jesus, Christ, the Creator and other religions as well.

Christianity is a wonderful religion christians should try it some time.

So Vick, when Sir, are you going to PROVE..(notice I said prove, not site evidence for, because the two are not one and the same)...

1. That God made you or anyone else for that matter, and by extension, made you the way you are
2. That your gender dysmorphia is not a demonic manifestation or pyschological abberation (as is a commonly held view).
3. That your position on any of these issues is any more concrete, provable or verifiable than the next person's position.

Now be careful how you answer, because your credibility depends on how you answer these questions, given all the arguments you have made on all threads up to this point.

Once again, I said PROVE these things, not site chapters, verses, copies of research posted online, paraphrases from books you read - that is evidence to suggest - that is not proof.....So go ahead and PROVE these things for us please.

You want balance? Why dont you start the ball rolling then. Set the standard.

Actualy da eye shadow made me see better the lies, hate, tourtur, murder, and theift in the name of christanity, Jesus, Christ, the Creator and other religions as well.
Christianity is a wonderful religion christians should try it some time.

Da power mongers and politicians of the Christian faith (catholics in particular)committed untold atrocities.Don't blame the religon or Jesus Christ for the human shortcomings of the men that promoted those crimes.Even to suggest such is wrong and an insult to the educated folks on this forum.Keep it real.....we know da forest from da trees thank you!

So Vick, when Sir, are you going to PROVE..(notice I said prove, not site evidence for, because the two are not one and the same)...
1. That God made you or anyone else for that matter, and by extension, made you the way you are
My personal faith.
The fact that there are more than just me.
The fact that there are those that are born with external proof that not everyone is male or female.
The fact that it is even taught by Jesus that we are born other than male or female.
The fact that sicence has documented differaence in the brain and chromosomes other than the so called normal male and normal female.
2. That your gender dysmorphia is not a demonic manifestation or pyschological abberation (as is a commonly held view). Uh Gender dysphoria... Nothing exists unless the Creator intended it to not even demons.. pyschological abberation may be or could it be that you have a pyschological abberation believeing that there are only be male and female humans and none are born different from the other. Except when you can outwardly see the difference.
3. That your position on any of these issues is any more concrete, provable or verifiable than the next person's position. I have my mothers words of my birth. and see 1
Now be careful how you answer, because your credibility depends on how you answer these questions, given all the arguments you have made on all threads up to this point.
Once again, I said PROVE these things, not site chapters, verses, copies of research posted online, paraphrases from books you read - that is evidence to suggest - that is not proof.....So go ahead and PROVE these things for us please.
You want balance? Why dont you start the ball rolling then. Set the standard.

The Creator has set the standard and it is not found in a book.(but then again that is my faith)

Prime examle of your love for hate is your lack of respect and attempts to insult me at the start of your post.