Da power mongers and politicians of the Christian faith (catholics in particular)committed untold atrocities.Don't blame the religon or Jesus Christ for the human shortcomings of the men that promoted those crimes.Even to suggest such is wrong and an insult to the educated folks on this forum.Keep it real.....we know da forest from da trees thank you!

The atrocities started when christianity became an organized religion that it still is to this day. When the Bible was cannonized all other documents on Jesus were ordered distoried and all who believed by them killed. The very foundation of christanity was built on murder and hate, something Jesus spoke out against.
christianity from the time Emperor Constantine has had some type of people to hate.

christians have been mistaken and made mistakes what makes you think they are perfect/correct now??? Are not christians right now saying to people because you do not believe as we do or live by our ideals (which they them selves can't) we will treat you as a lesser human being??

Prove Valhalla is not Heaven.
Remember "In my Fathers house there are many mansions"

Mr vicky it's up 2 you 2 prove that it is,did you 4get "I am the Lord thy GOD,thou should have no other Gods before me,thou should have no images or likeness of anything in the heavens above or the earth below,or the waters under the earth"and "i am the Lord thy GOD,from the land of Egypt.

Mr vicky it's up 2 you 2 prove that it is,did you 4get "I am the Lord thy GOD,thou should have no other Gods before me,thou should have no images or likeness of anything in the heavens above or the earth below,or the waters under the earth"and "i am the Lord thy GOD,from the land of Egypt.

Miss i-omega its a stipulation found in most all religions It is a matter of faith.
My faith is there is a Creator every culture has its perception of the Creator.
Being multiple deities under one head or one deity with angels or one deity with multiple parts..

BTW what is it if you have Jesus as God?? After all Jesus never said worship him now did he...

Miss i-omega Jesus never said worship him now did he...
yes mam Mr vicky,you're right He never said worship me,accordin 2 scriptures He did say"follow me,4 i am the way and truth and THE light"

My personal faith.
The fact that there are more than just me.
The fact that there are those that are born with external proof that not everyone is male or female.
The fact that it is even taught by Jesus that we are born other than male or female.
The fact that sicence has documented differaence in the brain and chromosomes other than the so called normal male and normal female.

That is not proof. That is a mixture of your faith (since you mentioned Jesus) and a mixture of citing evidence to suggest. You have yet to PROVE the cause of such things. All you are doing is citing conditions..not FIRST CAUSE.


Uh Gender dysphoria... Nothing exists unless the Creator intended it to not even demons.. pyschological abberation may be or could it be that you have a pyschological abberation believeing that there are only be male and female humans and none are born different from the other. Except when you can outwardly see the difference.

That is not proof. Now you are citing faith again, because you are basing your argument on what the Creator has done. I asked you to prove - you stated your faith - yet throughout this thread you argue that faith is NOT FACT.


I have my mothers words of my birth. and see 1

That is not proof.


The Creator has set the standard and it is not found in a book.(but then again that is my faith)

Prime examle of your love for hate is your lack of respect and attempts to insult me at the start of your post.

Once again you are going back to faith (mixed in with the obviously ridiculous and erroneous red-herring) at the end for bad measure in an obvious passive-agressive attempt to deflect attention from what is truly obvious - which is...

...That you are just like everyone else on this site you try to argue with.
1. You CANNOT PROVE any of what you believe. All you can do is site evidence that exists and deduce what that evidence means TO YOU. This is not proof my friend, sorry. You declare "proof" as a badge of honor, yet you do not know or understand what the word - a scientific measurement - actually means.

2. You return to your FAITH for essentially every precept you believe forms the foundations for the facts you espouse.

3. You rely on explaining what you can see (creation) by citing what you cannot see (God).

Congratulations Vick. You have PROVEN what has always been clear - that your constant challenging and arguing is not a result of you understanding the dynamics of religious belief (and the deceptions therein) more than anyone else...

Your constant challengings (some of which have legitimacy) is a direct result of you slamming the ONE RELIGION whose followers speak out most frequently about homosexuality and other gender related matters.

You, on a consistent basis, are intellectually dishonest on this board, because while you act as though your problem is with all faiths acting like faith is fact - it is VERY clear that your real problem is with the Christian Church and Christianity.

In fact, you started this thread about CHRISTIANITY and CHRISTIANS, not about all faiths and what they believe about their sacred writings. Your words constantly betray you.

You can say if you choose, "oh I dont have a problem with christianity, but with the way many christians live out their faith." Thats cool. So do I as a matter of fact. But the problem with you is that you try to act like you are as familiar with and as passionate about all religions as you are Christianity and as such, have chosen christianity as your springboard for all things unjust and mislead. Give me a break ok.

The truth is you are attacking what you preceive is and has been attacking you and others like you. This is an understandable action on your part.

If I were different from the majority of other people around me, and felt that a powerful, pervasive, worldwide system of thought felt I was sinful, sinning or evil for being that way - I would launch an attack on that system too, or I would want to.

And you would do better to admit that to yourself and to everyone on the board so atleast you can be upfront about what drives you as opposed to trying to appear as though you are just someone who wants to help christians understand their faith more.

My My!

That is not proof. That is a mixture of your faith (since you mentioned Jesus) and a mixture of citing evidence to suggest. You have yet to PROVE the cause of such things. http://www.aaa.dk/TURNER/ENGELSK/KLINEN.HTM
http://www.susanohanian.org/show_inthenews.html?id=298
"There's a peak of testosterone in males at birth that's very important for future sexual behavior," said Dr. Sophie Messager of Paradigm Therapeutics in Cambridge, England. "If you block that, the male rats behave like females for the rest of their life."
All you are doing is citing conditions..not FIRST CAUSE.
That is not proof. Now you are citing faith again, because you are basing your argument on what the Creator has done.
That is not proof.
I have posted what medical science has documented many times. for 1 see above.
Once again you are going back to faith (mixed in with the obviously ridiculous and erroneous red-herring) at the end for bad measure in an obvious passive-agressive attempt to deflect attention from what is truly obvious - which is...
...That you are just like everyone else on this site you try to argue with.
1. You CANNOT PROVE any of what you believe. All you can do is site evidence that exists and deduce what that evidence means TO YOU. This is not proof my friend, sorry. You declare "proof" as a badge of honor, yet you do not know or understand what the word - a scientific measurement - actually means.
2. You return to your FAITH for essentially every precept you believe forms the foundations for the facts you espouse.
3. You rely on explaining what you can see (creation) by citing what you cannot see (God).
Congratulations Vick. You have PROVEN what has always been clear - that your constant challenging and arguing is not a result of you understanding the dynamics of religious belief (and the deceptions therein) more than anyone else...
Your constant challengings (some of which have legitimacy) is a direct result of you slamming the ONE RELIGION whose followers speak out most frequently about homosexuality and other gender related matters.
You, on a consistent basis, are intellectually dishonest on this board, because while you act as though your problem is with all faiths acting like faith is fact - it is VERY clear that your real problem is with the Christian Church and Christianity.
You can say if you choose, "oh I dont have a problem with christianity, but with the way many christians live out their faith." Thats cool. So do I as a matter of fact. But the problem with you is that you try to act like you are as familiar with and as passionate about all religions as you are Christianity and as such, have chosen christianity as your springboard for all things unjust and mislead. Give me a break ok.
The truth is you are attacking what you preceive is and has been attacking you and others like you. This is an understandable action on your part.
If I were different from the majority of other people around me, and felt that a powerful, pervasive, worldwide system of thought felt I was sinful, sinning or evil for being that way - I would launch an attack on that system too, or I would want to.
And you would do better to admit that to yourself and to everyone on the board so atleast you can be upfront about what drives you as opposed to trying to appear as though you are just someone who wants to help christians understand their faith more.

It is a simple response I reference christians as that is who I am responding to.
I do research other religions, all have had the chance to touch on have their good points and bad points. I have found none greater than the other.

Other than that I was brought up Christian so it is what I am familiar with.

Funny how christians get so upset when one questions their religion. Especially when its the questions you are not supposed to ask.

“When the angels said: ‘O Mary, indeed Allaah gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be honored in this world and the next and will be of those close to Allaah.’ ” Qur’aan, (3):45
“She said: ‘O my Lord, how can I have a son when no man has touched me?’ He said: ‘Even so—Allaah creates what He wishes. When He decrees something, He only has to say to it: “Be!” and it is.’ ” Qur’aan, (3):47
However, the Qur’aan clarifies that Jesus’ virgin birth did not change the state of his humanity. His creation was like the creation of Aadam, who had neither father nor mother.
“Surely, the example of Jesus, in Allaah’s sight, is like that of Aadam. He created him from dust and said: ‘Be!’ and he was.” Qur’aan, (3):59
Other than christian
http://www.al-sunnah.com/true_message_of_jesus.htm
http://www.al-sunnah.com/qj.htm
ABOUT HIS BIRTH:
And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree, she cried (in her anguish) Ah ! would that I had died before this ! would that I had been a thing forgotten. But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree) grieve not ! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulent beneath thee; and shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree, it will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee. So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man say, I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious and this day will I enter into no talked with any human being. At length she brought the (babe) carrying him (in her arms) they said: O Mary truly strange things has thou brought. O sister of Aaron ! thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste. But she pointed to the babe. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle? He said: I am indeed a servant of Allah, He hath give me Revelation and made me a prophet. And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be. And hath enjoined on me prayer and zakat as long as I live. (He hath made me) kind to my mother, and not overbearing or unblest. So Peace on me the day I was born. The day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again). Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. (HOLY QURAN – 19: 23-34)

There is more to Jesus than what is in the Bible...
Thus more to Christianity than what is in the Bible..

Can we just respect what other peoples believes are without trying to convert them or ostracizing them.

Can we just respect what other peoples believes are without trying to convert them or ostracizing them.

I grew up seeing my family in religions debate all the time, and from all of that I only learned one thing, faith is never based on proof, on physical proof. If it was then it would be called a faith. Faith is believing something beyond physical and factual properties and possibilities.

It's foolish for someone of one faith, to go to a person of another and say "prove your faith is true" the debate of both will only be founded upon the basic principles of their own faith which will ultimately prescribe that your faith is not true, it is nonscence, it is crap because......My faith is real...(Duh!), my faith says your's does not exist. It's a never ending cycle.

I really think some people just get into these things to seek affirmation of their faith in the ability to always comeback with religious theory, or the disability of another to rebut their righteous claim. People rejoice in seeing other people's personal integrity destroyed for the expense of compensating their own lack of sense of self and awareness of weak faith. It's simply bullying...from both sides.

What I never get is that people think that they can "convert" or whatever by bullying others. Why do you think faith of any kind, along with simple conscience and love for neighbour and community and country is being increasingly rejected in this country? we try to make peace from the same instrument that is ripping us apart, and I am supposed to stand by and condone it. In this fight to claim all under one banner of faith, in this fight to make everyone bow to the "Christian Nation" we have slowly killed hunanty in the Bahamas.

Anyway getting back to this thread, I will condense all I just said in this one post:

You cannot prove faith.

Faith is something that is apart of your being. Faith is a part of what shapes you.

Everyone has a faith, From Christians to Bhuddists to animists, to satanists, even atheists have a faith that there is no god. Faith is the foundation of your life, becasue it spawns belief, whether that be belief in a higher power that can or cannot interceed, or plain old beleive in yourself and your own physical limitations or lack there of.

Becasue of that, it is pointess and dangerous at the same time to destroy someones faith, because without that humans are not human.

Anyway getting back to this thread, I will condense all I just said in this one post:
You cannot prove faith.
Faith is something that is apart of your being. Faith is a part of what shapes you.
Everyone has a faith, From Christians to Bhuddists to animists, to satanists, even atheists have a faith that there is no god. Faith is the foundation of your life, becasue it spawns belief, whether that be belief in a higher power that can or cannot interceed, or plain old beleive in yourself and your own physical limitations or lack there of.
Becasue of that, it is pointess and dangerous at the same time to destroy someones faith, because without that humans are not human.

* COUGH .. dragging up old threads *

Only thing SpamStopper got any faith in is that there will always be Spam to Stop .. :hammer:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith

1 a: allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1): fidelity to one's promises (2): sincerity of intentions

2 a (1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust

3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

I grew up seeing my family in religions debate all the time, and from all of that I only learned one thing, faith is never based on proof, on physical proof. If it was then it would be called a faith. Faith is believing something beyond physical and factual properties and possibilities.
It's foolish for someone of one faith, to go to a person of another and say "prove your faith is true" the debate of both will only be founded upon the basic principles of their own faith which will ultimately prescribe that your faith is not true, it is nonscence, it is crap because......My faith is real...(Duh!), my faith says your's does not exist. It's a never ending cycle.
I really think some people just get into these things to seek affirmation of their faith in the ability to always comeback with religious theory, or the disability of another to rebut their righteous claim. People rejoice in seeing other people's personal integrity destroyed for the expense of compensating their own lack of sense of self and awareness of weak faith. It's simply bullying...from both sides.
What I never get is that people think that they can "convert" or whatever by bullying others. Why do you think faith of any kind, along with simple conscience and love for neighbour and community and country is being increasingly rejected in this country? we try to make peace from the same instrument that is ripping us apart, and I am supposed to stand by and condone it. In this fight to claim all under one banner of faith, in this fight to make everyone bow to the "Christian Nation" we have slowly killed hunanty in the Bahamas.

what is happening in our country is that the people are becoming aware of the hypocricy of christianity as an organised religion. And that the leaders are just as blind as the layman. But they use there false athority to have power and take money. Many of these leaders think that they are more believeable when they have bigger churchers bigger mouths and they use fear and hate against non christians to seem even more believeable. But this is true of other religions.

I met 2 Raëliens and a Sataninst it was amazing to listen to them. But the Satanist caught my ear as she was directly related to my faith.
Here is something she said that kinda stuck and made lots of sence and she showed it to me in her if you will Bible. A Satanist does not pray as it is useless as it is far better to do something about the situation than to pray about it. If you can do nothing about a situation then praying about it is just as useless.
If a Satanist makes a mistake learn from that mistake and don`t do it again. It is usless to pray to be forgiven or to confess to another human being who is just as human as you are and go out and do the same thing again and again.
After talking with them their faith is just as valad as any other.

The question was asked how do you prove that the Bible is the Word of the Creator. To prove that the Bible is the Word of God, you can look at the influence it has on the World today, look, at the spiritual influence it has today. Even look at the influence it has on you, because we are talking about it. If you look down through the ages many people have tried to deny the Bible and God being its creator, many people have tried to destroy it. Thats telling me that there must be something about this book. You had people being place to death over this Bible. To prove it you would need to know Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal Saviour because the natural man cannot understand the things of the spirit. You would need to have a relationship with God in order to understand the things of God. Then keep in mind you then have to take what God's Word says by faith (This is the key factor). If you were to read John chapter 1, then if you would go to John chapter 17 The Lord Jesus said sanctify them by truth Thy Word is Truth.


Now a question has to be thrown in the air. What bible are you talking about. Don't think for a second that every so called black book that has Holy Bible on it is the inerrant, inspired, infallible, preserve Word of God.

.........Now a question has to be thrown in the air. What bible are you talking about. Don't think for a second that every so called black book that has Holy Bible on it is the inerrant, inspired, infallible, preserve Word of God.

So, which Bible would you say is?