Oh yes you will get a rebuttal all right.
Here it is.

What was the ancient Hebrew word for Eunuch? The word that eunuch was translated from. I don't know do you??
Just because we have no clue as to the exact reference as to what Christ was referring to when he speaks of born eunuchs we can only guess. The only people that are born other than male or female are now called hermaphrodites. The general term now used to describe humans born with ambiguous sex. Much study has and is being done on this subject. One of the big discoveries is that hormones in the womb have a great effect on the fetus. Brain included. They have concluded that hormones can affect the brain and still develop a (so called) normal looking child. Now if you want to think the world is flat that’s up to you.
Have you ever met a eunuch from their mother womb????

To receive it is to understand it even with your descriptions above the person receiving it would have to understand what there are receiving.

Also with the above why did not the passage read like this?
Matthew 19
12 there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
But it is like this.
Matthew 19
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

re·ceive ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-sv)
v. re·ceived, re·ceiv·ing, re·ceives
v. tr.

1. To take or acquire (something given, offered, or transmitted); get.
2. To hear or see (information , for example): receive bad news; received a good report of the group's activities

Sorry if you are so lost as to think eunuchs have no sex drive and that a limp penis has no feeling.
Let me help you. Male to female post operative Transsexuals are castrated males by your definition. The have no penis or testacies. The nerve area of the penis in inverted to help form their virgina. But here is the end of your theory. They still have a sex drive. They still can reach orgasm. Then you have the male to female pre operative transsexuals. These are the ones chemically castrated. Anti androgens prevent testosterone for doing its job in the body just like removing the tentacles. Yet they are very sexually active. Just look at the porn industry it’s filled with them (not that I condone or condemn porn I just don't permote it.)


Vicky, where are you coming from with the transexuals thing? I spoke nothing of it....it seems you're still confusing eunuch with a hermaphrodite......and I never said that eunuchs have no desire or drive to have sex. I said that they can't because their organs are not functioning as they should.
You take eunuch to mean ambiguous sex...bnut how can that be?....all it means is a man whose sexual organs (penis/testicles) are not functioning. It isn't a person who has 2 sex organs......It can also mean a castrated man.....but I am not speaking of that.....and I doubt that was what Christ was speaking of. The eunuch comes from the Greek word "eunoukhos" , and they were men used to guard women's bedrooms because they were unable to have sex due to castration (however castration doesn't mean their penises were cut off....the may have simply been deprived of sexual capacity).
SO the bottom line what I am saying...is that there is no way that you can interpret a eunuch to be a person with 2 sex organs......and you can dance around that all you want, and try to change my points or find little flaws, whatever, but the point is that you are still wrong when it comes the Christ speaking of eunuchs......

Vicky, where are you coming from with the transexuals thing? I spoke nothing of it....it seems you're still confusing eunuch with a hermaphrodite......and I never said that eunuchs have no desire or drive to have sex. I said that they can't because their organs are not functioning as they should.
You take eunuch to mean ambiguous sex...bnut how can that be?....all it means is a man whose sexual organs (penis/testicles) are not functioning. It isn't a person who has 2 sex organs......It can also mean a castrated man.....but I am not speaking of that.....and I doubt that was what Christ was speaking of. The eunuch comes from the Greek word "eunoukhos" , and they were men used to guard women's bedrooms because they were unable to have sex due to castration (however castration doesn't mean their penises were cut off....the may have simply been deprived of sexual capacity).
SO the bottom line what I am saying...is that there is no way that you can interpret a eunuch to be a person with 2 sex organs......and you can dance around that all you want, and try to change my points or find little flaws, whatever, but the point is that you are still wrong when it comes the Christ speaking of eunuchs......

And you can avoid the fact that in context and time Christ could not say hermaphrodite because it was the name of Greek god/goddess so he would have to say the Aramaic word close to the meaning. You have to remember Christ could not tell of the space shuttle either. How could he make them understand what it was with the limited vocabulary they had back then?
What is the Aramaic word for eunuch?

:dancer: There you go dancing again.....I know that hermaphrodite is a combination of Hermes and Aphrodite...and the fact that they came up with a biological term from a myth still boggles my mind ...but anyway.....who you think you talkin to? LOL!..... but Christ could have said man & woman, or male and female....don't you think.....? It's because he wasn't speaking of that!....LOL!!! you're funny ...vocabulary was not limited back then....that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard of...hermaphrodite may be a word that was used long after his time on earth but that doesn't mean he didn't have words to describe what hermaphrodite now means.....LOL!!!
And you are back on this eunuch thing again to support this? hahaha....So is a woman who was born with breasts, a vagina....and all the feminine attributes, but happened to be born with a penis as well... a Eunuch? I'll answer that for you......NO!!!! a eunuch refers to a MAN whose sexual organs do not function as they should.....Not a person who has a vagina and a penis.....LOL!....you are cracking me up on this topic Vicky!

quite right, a eunuch is not the same as a hermaphrodite.

Jesus was talking about a man being born without a fully functioning penis and testicles - can't get an erection, or can't reproduce.

If he meant both sexes he would have said that, you are desparately looking for loopholes in the bible.

but I still don't see the bible quote that can be read as - it is ok for 2 men or 2 women to get married.

can please provide that scriptural reference for us.

we already know where homosexuality is forbidden...

Before we look at gay marriage, first we have to remember what the Bible says about homosexuality. The Bible clearly and consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1Corinthians 6:9). God does not create a person with homosexual desires. A person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Rom 1:24-27), and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving into their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for then to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true for homosexuality.

http://gotquestions.org/gay-marriage.html

... we want where it is now ok :liar:

:dancer: There you go dancing again.....I know that hermaphrodite is a combination of Hermes and Aphrodite...and the fact that they came up with a biological term from a myth still boggles my mind ...but anyway.....who you think you talkin to? LOL!..... but Christ could have said man & woman, or male and female....don't you think.....? It's because he wasn't speaking of that!....LOL!!! you're funny ...vocabulary was not limited back then....Hate to be the one to break it to you but we already touched on the subject of vocabulary. It was established even here on Bahamas issues they did not have the vocabulary back then as we do to day. that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard of...hermaphrodite may be a word that was used long after his time on earth but that doesn't mean he didn't have words to describe what hermaphrodite now means.....LOL!!! Greek empire was B.C. The fact is it was a referance to a god/goddess is why Christ would not have used it. I talked with a Rabbi on this.
And you are back on this eunuch thing again to support this? hahaha....So is a woman who was born with breasts, a vagina....and all the feminine attributes, but happened to be born with a penis as well... a Eunuch? YES. I'll answer that for you......NO!!!! a eunuch refers to a MAN whose sexual organs do not function as they should.....Not a person who has a vagina and a penis..... Ok lets say you are right on this. What would Christ call a person born with a penis and virgina? We know they exist why is there no referance for them in the Bible? Oh just in case you don't know a penis and clitoris come from the same fetal tissue. It develops according to the hormones in the womb. LOL!....you are cracking me up on this topic Vicky!

I do not need a lesson in biology Vicky :)....but anyway....when I say vocab wasn't limited..by that I mean simply.....that CHrist could have used other words to describe what he was talking about..(note i didn't say Christ used the word hermaphrodite...do you actually read what people type?) ....there are far more complicated things written in the bible that Christ said that if there wasn't much vocab as you suggest....would not be there.....point is ...if i wanna say nocturnal...but i'm talkin to a child or someone who would not understand the word..i can say live at night, be awak in the night...etc...there are ways to get the point across...and I'm sure Jesus could have done it....anyways....to finally put dis crap to rest about eunuch....look in the dictionary and find the definition of eunuch.....and where it is derived from....I'm through with this ...i'm really tired....and bored with this.....

you're the only one I see who consistently posts about homosexuality.....it seems to interest you sooooo much....but anyway...I'm done with this because you hardly ever have anything else to talk about.....(giving you the benefit of a few posts that started out off the topic of homosexuality...but still ended up there) :bye:

i really think that the films "priscilla, queen of the desert" and "hedwig's angry inch" ought be required viewing for the entire world, given their emphatic messages of inclusiveness, acceptance and tolerance.

we're all much more similar than we are different, you know. and using the bible to support some sort of exclusionary tactic seems to me to be the height of hypocrisy. jesus christ himself turned his back on no one, and it's time we tear a page out of his book. straight or queer or transgendered, we're all in this together.

Hermaphrodite (n): one having both male and female sexual characteristics and organs; at birth an unambiguous assignment of male or female cannot be made.



Eunuch

Arabic: 'al-khasiyy

Castrated human male. In the Middle East the eunuch was castrated for practical reasons, and served in positions where only castrated men were allowed. The eunuchs were either guards and servants in harems or chamberlains to kings. These were the original positions for the eunuchs, but many succeeded in climbing in social status, and could reach positions like bodyguards, confidential advisers, ministers, even generals and admirals. Many of the advisers under the Ottoman Empire were eunuchs.
The reasons to castrate men entering such positions, are rather obvious: For the eunuchs working in the harems, there was a need for men who could not make the women pregnant. Another reason was that many meant that eunuchs personality was more favourable for important positions. And also the fact that eunuchs never could have any children made them less threatening for rulers and important people: the eunuchs had no sons who could challenge their own sons' future positions.
There were 3 levels of castration: 1) Removal of both testicles and penis, leaving the man with only a hole for urination. 2) Removal of only testicles before the boy reach puberty, leaving the future man totally non-sexual. 3) Removal of testicles after puberty, leaving the man capable of achieving erection but no ejaculation.
Men or boys who were castrated could either be accepting the castration voluntarily, in order to enter certain attractive positions. Or they were men who were punished for certain errors or crimes. Or they were boys sold by their parents, and hence slaves, and therefore under the total will of the owner.
In ancient Egypt, a court officer was called eunuch whether or not he had castration. Most were castrated, hence the use of the term.





Just some definitions I found on the internet, so as people wont be confused about the two terms. :D

I do not need a lesson in biology Vicky :)....but anyway....when I say vocab wasn't limited..by that I mean simply.....that CHrist could have used other words to describe what he was talking about..(note i didn't say Christ used the word hermaphrodite...do you actually read what people type?) I never said that you said Christ used hermaphradite. And yes I do read what you write. ....there are far more complicated things written in the bible that Christ said that if there wasn't much vocab as you Post one. suggest....would not be there.....point is ...if i wanna say nocturnal...but i'm talkin to a child or someone who would not understand the word..i can say live at night, be awak in the night...etc... Uh let me see if I can say this right.
Do you think the people around Christs time knew what we refer to as a hermorphradite???
I am sure even the Jews gave birth to what we now call hermaphradites. What would they call them???
What would they call a person born with a sex that was not clearly male and not clearly female?????????????? They would use the word eunuch. :cutie:
there are ways to get the point across...and I'm sure Jesus could have done it....anyways....to finally put dis crap to rest about eunuch....look in the dictionary and find the definition of eunuch.....and where it is derived from....I'm through with this ...i'm really tired....and bored with this.....

you're the only one I see who consistently posts about homosexuality.....it seems to interest you sooooo much....but anyway...I'm done with this because you hardly ever have anything else to talk about.....(giving you the benefit of a few posts that started out off the topic of homosexuality...but still ended up there) :bye:

Hermaphrodite (n): one having both male and female sexual characteristics and organs; at birth an unambiguous assignment of male or female cannot be made.



Eunuch

Arabic: 'al-khasiyy

Castrated human male. In the Middle East the eunuch was castrated for practical reasons, and served in positions where only castrated men were allowed. The eunuchs were either guards and servants in harems or chamberlains to kings. These were the original positions for the eunuchs, but many succeeded in climbing in social status, and could reach positions like bodyguards, confidential advisers, ministers, even generals and admirals. Many of the advisers under the Ottoman Empire were eunuchs.
The reasons to castrate men entering such positions, are rather obvious: For the eunuchs working in the harems, there was a need for men who could not make the women pregnant. Another reason was that many meant that eunuchs personality was more favourable for important positions. And also the fact that eunuchs never could have any children made them less threatening for rulers and important people: the eunuchs had no sons who could challenge their own sons' future positions.
There were 3 levels of castration: 1) Removal of both testicles and penis, leaving the man with only a hole for urination. 2) Removal of only testicles before the boy reach puberty, leaving the future man totally non-sexual. 3) Removal of testicles after puberty, leaving the man capable of achieving erection but no ejaculation.
Men or boys who were castrated could either be accepting the castration voluntarily, in order to enter certain attractive positions. Or they were men who were punished for certain errors or crimes. Or they were boys sold by their parents, and hence slaves, and therefore under the total will of the owner.
In ancient Egypt, a court officer was called eunuch whether or not he had castration. Most were castrated, hence the use of the term.





Just some definitions I found on the internet, so as people wont be confused about the two terms. :D


We all know this defination not a problem here.
This issue many are having is Christ referance to those that are born eunuch.

i really think that the films "priscilla, queen of the desert" and "hedwig's angry inch" ought be required viewing for the entire world, given their emphatic messages of inclusiveness, acceptance and tolerance.

we're all much more similar than we are different, you know. and using the bible to support some sort of exclusionary tactic seems to me to be the height of hypocrisy. jesus christ himself turned his back on no one, and it's time we tear a page out of his book. straight or queer or transgendered, we're all in this together.

Very well said islandgyal
I suggest people should watch the movie "Saved" might be good for them.
To many people using the Bible as a weapon. A weapon of fear and hate.

I never said that you said Christ used hermaphradite. And yes I do read what you write. Post one. Uh let me see if I can say this right.
Do you think the people around Christs time knew what we refer to as a hermorphradite???
I am sure even the Jews gave birth to what we now call hermaphradites. What would they call them???
What would they call a person born with a sex that was not clearly male and not clearly female?????????????? They would use the word eunuch. :cutie:



First...here's something more complicated than speaking of a hermaphrodite.....and a person like you should appreciate it :)

Mark 10:5-9
"But Jesus said to them, because of your hardness of heart he wrote this commandment for you. But from the beginning of creation, "God made them MALE AND FEMALE". "For this reason a man should leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh". Therefore WHAT GOD HAS JOINED TOGETHER, LET NO ONE SEPERATE.

Now, that must have been really difficult to say if there was no vocab as you suggest....because just as he said male, female, joined together....don't you think he would have said the same if talking about hermaphrodites? :hammer: :gi:
((((((Furthermore to this point...I have to throw it in...this proves that Jesus condones heterosexual marriage and nothing else...because he says God made man and woman in the beginning, and that the man shall leave his parents and join his wife (marry the woman), and that this is what God put together, and no one should seperate it....NO ONE SHOULD SEPERATE THE FACT THAT GOD MADE MALE TO JOIN FEMALE! - - - - how you like that BSMBAHAMAS? :cool: ))))))
Now....I don't hink they would use one word to describe someone with male and female genitals....I think they would say just that....male & female....if they did use one word to describe it...i dunno what the hell it would be.....but i have an idea what it wouldn't be.....eunuch.....cuz I gave you the definition...so did Teniel...and you can see for yourself what it says....

First...here's something more complicated than speaking of a hermaphrodite.....and a person like you should appreciate it :)

Mark 10:5-9
"But Jesus said to them, because of your hardness of heart he wrote this commandment for you. But from the beginning of creation, "God made them MALE AND FEMALE". "For this reason a man should leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh". Therefore WHAT GOD HAS JOINED TOGETHER, LET NO ONE SEPERATE.

Now, that must have been really difficult to say if there was no vocab as you suggest....because just as he said male, female, joined together....don't you think he would have said the same if talking about hermaphrodites? :hammer: :gi:
((((((Furthermore to this point...I have to throw it in...this proves that Jesus condones heterosexual marriage and nothing else...because he says God made man and woman in the beginning, and that the man shall leave his parents and join his wife (marry the woman), and that this is what God put together, and no one should seperate it....NO ONE SHOULD SEPERATE THE FACT THAT GOD MADE MALE TO JOIN FEMALE! - - - - how you like that BSMBAHAMAS? :cool: ))))))
Now....I don't hink they would use one word to describe someone with male and female genitals....I think they would say just that....male & female....if they did use one word to describe it...i dunno what the hell it would be.....but i have an idea what it wouldn't be.....eunuch.....cuz I gave you the definition...so did Teniel...and you can see for yourself what it says....


Vicky has her own definition of eunuch, and the verse about daniel's tender love doesn't support her cause either.

the bible clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination to God, if he/she(vicky), can't understand that, that's just to bad I guess - the rest of the world certainly does.

arguing about left hand killing christians and the world being flat(which is what almost every living person believed at the time) does not support your cause in any way.

Jesus said to love one another, but that was second to loving God with all your heart and soul - and homosexuality is an abomination to God.

nuff said.

I already told vicky to show where the bible condones homosexuality or marriage of homosexuals - and don't call it same sex marriage, call it what it is, homosexuals wanting to be married - because they can only have homosexual sex with one another.

like I already said many times, homosexuality is not greater than any other sin and just as forgivable - do as you please, but it is not right to teach that it is ok to live a homosexual lifestyle and GOD FORBID get married.

Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

God hates homosexuality so much that people were commanded to be put to death in that time(even though one of the ten commandments is thou shalt not kill) ...

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

here's more ...

Deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

and with regard to teaching and advocating sinful behavior ...

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

and for those that are commiting adultery, sex with a married person, that is also one of the ten commandments and was also punishable by death in former times.

Exodus 20:14
Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Leviticus 20:10
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

So do as you please Vicky you have been warned in simple english,
if you want to follow man/science and break God's laws that is fine by me,
my job is NOT to persecute you, but to love you and show you the error of your ways.

Vengeance belongs to God, not to man. So what went on in the past is wrong, but in the modern world we don't kill people for homosexuality,
maybe in the middle east somewhere, definitly not in the Bahamas.

First...here's something more complicated than speaking of a hermaphrodite.....and a person like you should appreciate it :)

Mark 10:5-9
"But Jesus said to them, because of your hardness of heart he wrote this commandment for you. But from the beginning of creation, "God made them MALE AND FEMALE". "For this reason a man should leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh". Therefore WHAT GOD HAS JOINED TOGETHER, LET NO ONE SEPERATE.

Now, that must have been really difficult to say if there was no vocab as you suggest....because just as he said male, female, joined together....don't you think he would have said the same if talking about hermaphrodites? :hammer: :gi: What you are trying to say is because Christ could say male and female when asked about a divorce of a male and female that it has bearing on Eunuch or homosexuality. No the conversation and question in context was about the divorce of a man and woman. Sorry you can’t twist this one.
If I say to you a Chevy S10 truck is fast what bearing does it have on a Ford 150? Nothing but both are trucks.

((((((Furthermore to this point...I have to throw it in...this proves that Jesus condones heterosexual marriage and nothing else..
Sorry this proves that Christ answered a question about divorce of a male and female. You are adding your own thoughts to this verse.
.because he says God made man and woman in the beginning,
Please read the verse in Matthew I provided Christ says it have you not read. Not the Creator said.

and that the man shall leave his parents and join his wife (marry the woman), and that this is what God put together, and no one should seperate it....NO ONE SHOULD SEPERATE THE FACT THAT GOD MADE MALE TO JOIN FEMALE! - - - - how you like that BSMBAHAMAS? :cool: ))))))

The conversation and question is about divorce. But it dose not say anything about homosexuals joining it says nothing about transgender. If it were so important an issue don't you think Christ would have said something.
Now....I don't hink they would use one word to describe someone with male and female genitals....They did EUNUCH I think they would say just that....male & female....if they did use one word to describe it...i dunno what the hell it would be.....but i have an idea what it wouldn't be.....eunuch.....cuz I gave you the definition...so did Teniel...and you can see for yourself what it says....


Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.



Matthew 19:4
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

Uh it does not say 1 male and 1 female. Now just remember your biology and the fetus development.

Forget it...there's no getting through to you...on these topics...and to have to explain them again by answering your rebuttals is pointless...because you still can't understand...