Who's business is it anyway if somebody or anybody is gay or lesbian. God put no one on earth to judge. Being from America the aspect of homosexuality is misunderstood, accepted, then and not accepted. But anytime officials in the church are coming out with their sexuality and promoting it, you have to ask yourself does this person except theirself as they are? the churches are full of corruption :hot: . How can anybody be perfect? Practice does not necessarily make you perfect. I think the whole aspect of anybody's sexuality is misunderstood. Just two weeks ago in Freeport I was down there on vacation and my friend told one of the locals that she was a lesbian and she was dancing with one of my other friends and he just look as if has no clue what he lacks as man. Since hetrosexuality is widely accepted, then why are so many people getting divorces? If there is such a problem with homosexuality, then there should be a problem when men have concubines, when sexuality sells in the media, when promiscuity is acceptable towards men, and when women are often given the double standard when it comes to their sexuality? If people are so perfect then why can we not fix our own lives, instead trying to fix someone elses? :wipe: :yoyo:

Who's business is it anyway if somebody or anybody is gay or lesbian. God put no one on earth to judge. Being from America the aspect of homosexuality is misunderstood, accepted, then and not accepted. But anytime officials in the church are coming out with their sexuality and promoting it, you have to ask yourself does this person except theirself as they are? the churches are full of corruption :hot: . How can anybody be perfect? Practice does not necessarily make you perfect. I think the whole aspect of anybody's sexuality is misunderstood. Just two weeks ago in Freeport I was down there on vacation and my friend told one of the locals that she was a lesbian and she was dancing with one of my other friends and he just look as if has no clue what he lacks as man. Since hetrosexuality is widely accepted, then why are so many people getting divorces? If there is such a problem with homosexuality, then there should be a problem when men have concubines, when sexuality sells in the media, when promiscuity is acceptable towards men, and when women are often given the double standard when it comes to their sexuality? If people are so perfect then why can we not fix our own lives, instead trying to fix someone elses? :wipe: :yoyo:

Good to see you posting.
I agree with you. I agree also with this, "Take the beam out of your own eye. That way you can see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." (Words of Jesus, paraphrased.)

Problem is, most Christians think they are beam free!

Who's business is it anyway if somebody or anybody is gay or lesbian. God put no one on earth to judge. Being from America the aspect of homosexuality is misunderstood, accepted, then and not accepted. But anytime officials in the church are coming out with their sexuality and promoting it, you have to ask yourself does this person except theirself as they are? the churches are full of corruption :hot: . How can anybody be perfect? Practice does not necessarily make you perfect. I think the whole aspect of anybody's sexuality is misunderstood. Just two weeks ago in Freeport I was down there on vacation and my friend told one of the locals that she was a lesbian and she was dancing with one of my other friends and he just look as if has no clue what he lacks as man. Since hetrosexuality is widely accepted, then why are so many people getting divorces? If there is such a problem with homosexuality, then there should be a problem when men have concubines, when sexuality sells in the media, when promiscuity is acceptable towards men, and when women are often given the double standard when it comes to their sexuality? If people are so perfect then why can we not fix our own lives, instead trying to fix someone elses? :wipe: :yoyo:

You hit the nail on the head. Keep on posting

i wanna know why people are okay with j. lo's new husbands every fifteen minutes, and britney spears' 55-hour marriage ... and yet they would deny someone of another sexual persuasion the opportunity to legally build a life with someone else who may look just like them?

haven't we come far enough to dispense with the idea of separate lunch counters?

wake up!

i wanna know why people are okay with j. lo's new husbands every fifteen minutes, and britney spears' 55-hour marriage ... and yet they would deny someone of another sexual persuasion the opportunity to legally build a life with someone else who may look just like them?

haven't we come far enough to dispense with the idea of separate lunch counters?

wake up!

who said that people are okay with it? maybe people don't care, i know i don't. two half talented pop singers that use sexuality to sell less than mediocre albums, facinating example

Love Thy Enemy.

He Who Is Without Sin, Cast The First Stone.

Love Thy Enemy.

He Who Is Without Sin, Cast The First Stone.

you say this but it was one of the shepherds claiming to be so perfect. i agree that man without sin cast the first stone but what happens when people take into the aspect same sex marriage is the absolute sin? people have to mean what they say and say what they mean and not make themselves seem like hypocrites. because throughout this whole thread hypocrisy has been the main and head root of evil. :confused:

It is challenging for a small-minded country (the Bahamas) to grasp the greater scheme of things when we in America face some of the same challenges especially when it pertains to homosexuality. It is NOT a matter of what is right or wrong… just what works! If two men or two women wish to be married then so, be it! How does what ones lifestyle choices affect your agenda? Ask yourself that question. How far does your education extend and challenges your intellectual realm and where does your IGNORANCE begin? When you can unequivocally answer that resoundingly, after staring yourself in the mirror and be okay with what you see as you candidly assess who and where you are in your life then, okay… so be it. The degree of honoring and respecting others is the grade / measurement to which your charity either had momentum in your home as a child or fell short of the glory! Your IGNORANCE is a reflection of where you come from and the lack of key principle factors in the home… especially as it pertains to respecting others and NOT involving oneself in what does NOT concern one. It amazes me how many people are preoccupied with others programs – “gettin inta ader folks Kool-Aid.” An idle mind is a wasteful mind!!! “So wassup wit yo 4 1 1”?


Salute

Jaz in Hawaii

who said that people are okay with it? maybe people don't care, i know i don't. two half talented pop singers that use sexuality to sell less than mediocre albums, facinating example
Ho, it ain't none of yo $@#$ business what JoLo does and who she sleeps with or marries... don't you get it??? Evidently NOT! JLo don't even know the likes of you.
Sister you NEED a life!!!

It is challenging for a small-minded country (the Bahamas) to grasp the greater scheme of things when we in America face some of the same challenges especially when it pertains to homosexuality. It is NOT a matter of what is right or wrong… just what works! If two men or two women wish to be married then so, be it! How what one does does affect your agenda? Ask yourself that question. How far does your education extend into an intellectual realm and where does your IGNORANCE begin? When you can unequivocally answer that resoundingly staring yourself in the mirror and liking what you see as your assess who and where you are in your life then, okay… so be it. The degree of honoring and respecting others is the grade / measurement to which your charity either had momentum in your home as a child or fell short of the glory! Your IGNORANCE is a reflection of where you come from and the lack of key principle factors in the home… especially as it pertains to respecting others and NOT involving oneself in what does NOT concern one. It amazes me how many people are preoccupied with others programs – “gettin inta ader folks Kool-Aid.” An idle mind is a wasteful mind!!! “So wassup wit yo 4 1 1”?

:usa: YOU ARE CORRECT! One of the few people posting on this forum space who actually has his "t" crossed and "i" doted.

Hurray for you.

I was criticized for referring and candidly describing a group of peoples with whom I have had extensive experience. I don't NEED to be posting in this room. I just took it upon myself because it was there while doing a search on one of your athletes.

This country is really uptight and anally rententive!

haha and with that said, welcome to my Bahamaland :cheers:

Bahamians love wallowing in their own ignorance.. I think its a comfort zone/coping mechanism of sorts, requires much less hard thinkin.

Ho, it ain't none of yo $@#$ business what JoLo does and who she sleeps with or marries... don't you get it??? Evidently NOT! JLo don't even know the likes of you.
Sister you NEED a life!!!

i SINCERELY hope that what you just typed to me was meant as weak sarcasm. seriously, i almost choked to death from laughing while reading that. I never said it was my business, in fact i stated that it didnt matter to me.

p.s. i'm not a female

‘Same Sex Marriage’, Is it Righteous or Evil?
By Wendell F. Lewis (© 2004)

When the subject of homosexuality is brought up in any forum it generates great emotions and heated conversations from those who support it and from those who oppose it.

What about those who do not care but are dragged into said discussion when you say "The Bahamas." It always seems that whenever those that project themselves to be "church-oriented" are facing an issue, there appears to them to only be two sides:FOR or AGAINST.


The proponents of this lifestyle has added coal to the fiery debate by demanding that they be accepted as normal...

They are normal, just like human slaves are always equal to their human masters. Unfortunately, the social licenses and circumstances during periods of slavery, were skewerd therefore producing the distorted social balance that made slavery "practical."

...insisting that their relationships not be referred to as ‘unnatural’,

It isn't unnatural. "Homosexuality" happens across all cultures, across all races, across the sexes, across the gender, across class, phylum, kingdoms...animals like cats, dogs and dolphins engage in "homosexuality." Perchance the descriptive you seek is not in fact "unnatural" but "an anomaly"

...and threatening class action law suits against the government of the Bahamas if gays and lesbians are not allowed to be legally united...
Yes, that would appear to be correct.

...in ‘Holy Matrimony’.
No sir, that would be an incorrect interpretation.

Those who have been paying attention to international news know that this volcanic subject matter is not unique to the Bahamas. Indeed, it can be said that it has the world in a tailspin.

Rather, my fellow human, those who have been paying attention to their Bibles know that this volcanic subject matter is not unique to the world. Indeed, it can be said that it has place in human history and only those who DON'T pay attention to their Bibles and do what their spiritual leaders tell them to at every respective Divine Service or Prayer Meeting are caught in a tailspin because they live in religious shackles. Instead of going to Christ for themselves, their ignorances are taken advantage of and they are taught to be confused, fear and ultimately destroy (by way of hindering nature and nurture) when they encounter something they have no true knowledge of.

I believe the Bible to be the road map for civilization.

Wonderful, would you be so kind to explain then why your post is copyrighted? Where in the Holy Bible does it say to do that. Civilization requires us to adhere to a code of civility. One of late being, modes of using copywritten material, chances are the Bible you used to obtain the texts you will go on to use was copywritten, correct? By whom?
Open the flap of your Bible and read whose name/company is listed as the copyright owner. That's who governs what's in your Bible sir. And seeing how civilization was well on its way before the concept of copyright was introduced, your belief-'the Bible is the road map for civilization as far as you're concerned' is based on an anachronism.
Furthermore, with time being a linear thing, your belief is an end product of unnatural logical /thought process. Kind of like saying, 'Webster's Dictionary is the road map for Language,' without taking into account other modes of language like, Morse Code, Binary, Semaphore, Sign Language, Body Language and the like.
Furthermore, The Bible came into existence because people weren't listening to their God or their environment.
In the beginning was The Word. Not the Bible. The Vulgate-The Old Bible is a complex book owned by The Roman Catholic Church for an extended period of time after acquiring Latin/Greek translated writings like the Torah, Pentateuch, Apocrypha, Pseudopegraphia and the like from Judaism.
The Book we have today is a far cry from the original, is most often than not split down the middle Old Testament (The Scriptures) and New Testament (The Gospels). And using this book, you should've been able to determine that THE WORD IS GOD. The Bible is a book. It is not an unnatural book, but it is an anomaly.

Therefore, I seek to plainly and clearly echo the words of the Bible, which would show, without any doubt, the Bible’s position on the subject of homosexuality and ‘Same Sex Marriage’. Is it righteous or is it evil?
In Genesis 1:26 & 27, God said, “…Let us make man in our image, in our likeness…” “So God created man in his own image…” “…male and female he created them.” In Chapter 2:18 & 22, God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." “Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. Verse 24 says, “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

Yes, well obviously that EXACT process doesn't happen anymore. No women came from your ribs. Baby-back or otherwise and "Adam" didn't have a mother. But you do. So, since you didn't come to be in the same like and manner as "Adam" we would be correct in assuming you are evil.

God’s first instruction to the male and female, was "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth…” (Gen. 1:28). This indicates that Gods intention from the time he created male and female was, one man and one woman coming together in marriage making them one flesh.

Yes, it was. God also leads by example. How many children does God have? How many women did He "know" to have them? Also, (and I've yet to hear ANY preacher or teach say this because most of them seem to take from each others sermons) the term "making them one flesh" can be translated as 'making a baby.' Think on that one for a while.
Let me take it to the hilt now. Yeshua Bar Joseph (Or as most call Him today 'Jesus Christ') is perfect as far as most 'Christians' and some 'Non-Christians' are concerned. This must mean His BIRTH, His LIFE and His DEATH were ALL subsequently PERFECT. How was He conceived and born? Observe that. THAT is perfection, now take that and consider that as the roadmap to all pregnancies as God would have it. Doubt?
Fine then, consider Yohann (John the Baptist), Yeshua Himself said that, "No, greater man was born of woman..." Why? Look at how John was conceived, gestated and born. It wasn't perfect BUT it was pretty similar to Christ's wasn't it? More so similar than anyone else born.

This indicates that God's intention from the time he created male and female was, one man and one woman coming together in marriage making them one flesh. Through this union children would come, thus they would commence to fulfil their first assignment, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth…”

It also indicated that grown women should be taken from men's ribs if we go in accordance with your interpretation. Also, that we should still be naked and walk around as such and not being aware of it.
By the way, I'm not going to assume you're ready to admit that ALL things concerning humanity have changed on this planet as a result of the Sin of Eden and that it is only through Christ-not the Bible that we have grace. So I'm going to continue in this vein.

In Genesis chapter 3 man was tempted. He yielded to that temptation and disobeyed God. This resulted in what is called the “fall of man”. According to Genesis 6, from this point on, man increased in wickedness and every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. The Lord was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.
"The Fall of Man" is a past-present-continuous process. It's still happening today.

Evil continued to increase on the earth, to the point that the Lord Himself came down to investigate a particular city by the name of Sodom and Gomorrah.
In Genesis 18:20 & 21 the Bible states, “…the Lord said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous…” “…I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
Genesis 19:4-9 tells us that the men of that city wanted to have sex with men instead of women. In verse 7, Lot said to the men of Sodom and Gomorrah “Don’t do this wicked thing.” This was spoken in reference to the men’s homosexual desires.

Yes, according to the Bible, that is what Lot said. But if they were a city full of homosexuals where would the outcry be? Were I to come to a conclusion based on your conjecture and what the Bible says, the situation was akin to having a city chock full unrepentant child molesters where the outcry is, "My neighbor is a child molester! Aieeeeee!"
If Lot lived there and he opposed them, obviously everybody in the cities weren't of that sexual orientation. If Lot's wife escaped, obviously she wasn't of that sexual-orientation. But she was destroyed too, wasn't she? For what sin? What sin, in actuality LED Lot to the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah? Why did Uzziah get struck down? Nahab and Abihu? Hophni and Phinehas? The Flood? Ananias and Sapphira? For what sin will Satan and his angels be cast into the Lake of Fire?

The Bible records that God did destroy the city of Sodom and Gomorrah, which indicates that the sins of this city was indeed great and grievous. It also indicates that this final wicked act by the men of the city caused the Lord to move resolutely to do what He did, since He (the Lord) was on a fact-finding mission.

No sir, He was moved when he confirmed that there weren't enough righteous people there to spare the two cities. And if He was thinking about destroying the cities earlier, and had decided under what conditions HE wouldn't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah while talking with Abraham about it, obviously the episode in front of Lot's house was not the act that moved Him.

The kind of destruction visited on Sodom and Gomorrah suggests that God was ‘hot under the collar’, He was very angry. Verse 24 says, “…the Lord rained down burning sulphur on Sodom and Gomorrah”.
In Leviticus 18:3-5, God said, “…You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the Lord your God. Keep my decrees and laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them.”
God saw that His people, Israel, were very easily influenced by the nations around them. Therefore He instituted laws, regulations and instructions that would assist His people in obeying Him and living righteous lives.

Yes, I agree. But sir, do you yet realize that you are NOT Israeli? "...by the nations around them." That would pertain to you. Gentile.

The Lord devoted the entire chapter of Leviticus 18 to explaining carefully and succinctly the details of unlawful sexual relations.
Verse 22 of this chapter clearly states, “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.” This law is restated in chapter 20:13 with the addition of the penalty that must follow if the law is contravened. It states, “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”

Again, simply ONE of the 613 laws that make up the Torah. 613! I noticed in your photograph that you shave the sides of your head and face sir. Is there a valid reason for that or should we all acquire your address and stone you now? Provisions (GRACE) are made for people like YOU, ME and VICKI to directly disobey God. Why? Because that's EXACTLY what the human race has done a little after "Day 7." Directly disobey God and then come up with cow dung excuses as to why we did or do it.
"Oh, nevermind that God doesn't want me to shave the sides of my head, I'm gonna do it, and then, AND THEN post my sin directly on the internet where everybody can see my direct disobedience! And on top of that I'm going to tell other people what the Scriptures say is wrong!" Does this at all sound like anyone you know?

From what we have covered thus far, it appears that this is no trivial matter to God. However, we have only drawn reference from the ‘Old Covenant’. What does the ‘New Covenant’ have to say about homosexuality and ‘Same Sex Marriage’?
I commence with this ‘New Covenant’ statement that I believe to be very fundamental to all believers. It is found in Romans 1:16, and it reads, “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes…” “For therein is the righteousness of God revealed…”
At this point, if you are not verifying the scripture reference, I encourage you to get your Bible now and confirm that what is referenced herein is in fact in the Bible.

No, sir. Incorrect. The Book of Romans is not in The Scriptures. The modern Bible is split into two sections. OT (The Scriptures) and NT (The Gospels).
Christ did not preach from the Gospels (NT) He did so from the Scriptures (OT). Showing the people who were interested the SPIRIT of GOD, The SPIRIT of The Law, The SPIRIT of the Prophets and The SPIRIT of the Scripture.
For example; at The Transfiguration, how did the disciples know who those two men were who appeared when they had never been alive in the time of Moses OR Elijah who'd been dead now for WAAAYYYY before the disciples came on the scene? Were Moses and Elijah wearing "Hello, My Name is_____" name tags? Did the disciples ask for their Judeo-Palistinian-Roman Drver's licenses or some other form of ID? No. Yeshua made no introductions, yet the disciples recognized them. Explain.
I am not ashamed of the Gospel, here is what I am ashamed of though, that humans would against other humans do, damned near unspeakable atrocites both within and without the Spirit of The Word of God.
If I were to sit down and write a story like unto the Bible and then tried to market it to little children, I'd be brought up on mental case charges so fast, for teaching how a shepherd boy killed a giant with a slingshot, cut off his head, killed 200 men for their foreskins just so he could get married, killed another man for his wife (after sleeping with her while the guy was working on a job-for him no less), had a son that slept with his wives in full view of the populace in a tent atop his palace, resisted arrest, had a strange and unusual relationship with a King's son, ran away from the authorities and pretended to be crazy (dribbled and scratched on doors at night) to avoid capture. AND THIS LITTLE BOYS AND GIRLS IS WHO YOU SHOULD TRY TO BE LIKE. King David.

Some of you will be shocked to know that the Bible speaks with clear, plain and direct language. Let’s read.

If it did, then it wouldn't be a matter of he who has ears, let him hear. The Bible requires understanding.
Diverse concepts such as
The Greek Concepts of Love
(Storage, Philos, Agape, Eros).
Four-fold Allegorical Interpretation.
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~hanly/chaucer/coursematerials/humours.html
The Bible requires a vast and broad understanding of multi-cultural difference and lifestyles, because different men of different times wrote it down. So, when the likes of Jehu and Yeshua Bar Joseph say, "Get behind me!" Only those who know that it is an archaic form of saying "Ki55 my @5$." would understand. When the Bible you have today calls "Adam" and "Eve" whom the Pentateuch calls "Edom" and "Hawwah" can you not understand that at the very least SOME of what was in the original text of the Bible has been changed?

Romans 1:26 & 27, “…their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”
You don’t need to be a rocket scientist or a PHD scholar to understand or interpret what these verses are saying. The words used here to describe these relations are, shameful lusts, unnatural relations, indecent acts and perversion.

Well, apparently you'd need the objectivity of Rocket Scientists and PhD Scholars, coveteousness is a form of shameful lust too. So is pride. Flying in an airplane is also an unnatural relation. All sins/transgressions are indecent acts and perversions.
Without objectivity you miss out on many of the miracles and mercies of the Bible. Without objectivity, you'd miss that Moses died before the first five books of the Bible were finished, so how can a dead man continue to write?

In case I am accused of taking these verses out of context, I invite you to read this entire passage in context so that you can get an appreciation for the mood that one senses from God when this is read.

Romans 1:18-32, “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen."

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossipers, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, and ruthless. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”

Furthermore, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 & 18 says, “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually, sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit…?”

Yes, I agree with those words. But condemnation is useless without reform/modification. Can YOU reform someone who is born physically the way they are? No, so why are you criticizing something YOU can't fix or do better?
And here it is, GOD has made this plain and has given them over to this, so why, why, why is this such an issue for you legally? If God has already DONE it, why are you trying to undo it? It is done. GOD has given them over to their desires and wishes, why won't you leave "them" alone with their desires and wishes?

The ‘Judgement’ is clear and plain; Homosexuality and Lesbianism is evil.

This coming from a man, born and shapen in iniquity, I know evil when I see it, because I too at times am evil. Just like I know stupidity and ignorance when I see it ( your phrase sir, "Homosexuality and Lesbianism ARE evil".) This is not to say you are stupid, but this post is.

For a nation to sanction this evil is paramount to that nation inviting a curse upon itself. The scripture declares in Leviticus 18:24-26, “Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. But you must keep my decrees and my laws.”

Old Testament drivel. Ezekiel 18:4 settled that way-back-when. We are neither damned nor saved by the acts of others. Try reading Galatians Chapter 3. Then for you," O , Priest" Malachi Chapter 2. The covenant of Levi is corrupt, it is no longer fitting for a God of mercy and righteousness. Make note as to what He says in verse 3 of that Chapter and be reminded of the first and foremost principle of language and communication it ain't always the words you use it's the concept, spirit and/or thought behind them.
Give me another four letter word for "dung" beginning with "s".

Sincerely,
A Sinner

"we need to give you a platinum sword for the way you handled message #1 with message #9"

Vicky - you truly have scaels in your eyes, and probably just looking for some pity and attention because you may have been born different.

not hating on you and I fully respect your 'lost style' of turning God's word into nonsense - but it overwhelmingly clear that Jesus and God does not support your views with regard to marriage of BGLT's.

If you can really prove your viewpoint, we may actually digress :angel:

However, we are a christian nation and will probably forever reject your plea, even if a BGLT get's in the position to change our constitution, our hearts and love of God won't change.

We all are sinners - even some of our pastors, but we are trying to follow God's word and ask for forgivness.

We do not try to change God's word to suit our lusts.

Just give up on the marriage thing, even the civil union thing. Not gonna happen in our christian nation unless our leaders are a bunch BTVG's and even then I think they WOULD get stoned and replaced on the very day they sanction 'your' marriages or God forbidden civil unions.

... and you still haven't shown 'in our Holy Bible' where God/Jesus actually sanctions your 'equal right' to be married. Because God/Jesus never did, and still does not.

if you are a man marry a women, if you are a women marry a man, if you don't quite know what you are - just forget about marriage.

Why do you BGLT want to get married anyway? Yu already have equal rights.

If I hauled off and slapped one of you, aren't you protected by law - just like all the battered women who don't want to leave their husbands? Aren't you able to defend your right to get a job - you have rights, you are equal - and we do love you guys, but we ain't breaking God's laws and letting you guys get married, not even civilly unionized. :o

Sorry. :board2: