We are not forcing you to stay in the bahamas, and we aren't forcing you to post to this board.

and God not sanctioning same sex marriage or civil unions, does not make a country ignorant. a man making out with another man, and then having their country turn around and embrace their unseemly behaviour, does seem sort of ignorant in my humble opinion though.


haha.. how typical.. Honey, i'm a Bahamian, born and raised. I dont need your craptastic advice about where to post or where to live. If anything, your juvenile retort further proves my point. I couldnt care less what you and your good book has to say about me and honestly, what I do really isnt any of your business. This is the problem we're facing, people who stick their noses in issues that doesnt concern them. I would love for someone to post 1, just 1 singular reason how 2 men or 2 women marrying/civil unioning/whatever you wanna call it affects you and your daily life. How on earth does that affect YOU!? How will this hamper your functioning in society?

Will you toss and turn at night thinking about how, somewhere theres 2 guys just hankering to get married and you just have to stop them from making this huggggeee mistake? Maybe i'll give you the benefit of the doubt in thinking maybe you simply just care about the divorce rate and dont want to see it skyrocket any higher than it already is, without our help I might add. The guise is to protect an oh so precious "institution" people abuse and disregard like yesterdays news, cute, real cute. I mean really, just give people some fricken legal rights already. You can keep your churches, nobodys asking for that, its about legality (separation of church and state although the Bahamas hasnt quite reached there yet and the U.S. seems like its stepping away from that). Nobodys askin YOU to marry same sex, nobodys forcing you to come to the ceremonies and nobodys forcing you to watch (see, I took it to your level right there just for you). Its just none of your business. Think about this for a moment before rushing to hammer away on the keyboard another ignorant reply.. I'm gonna guess it'll probably be along the lines of throwing us out on our heads or something to that effect.

This really shouldnt be that big of a deal, jesus why arent we worrying about our kids who can barely read, write or spell without a disctionary? Education and other social issues should take precedence over crap like this. The Bahamas, socially, is going down the toilet quick, fast and in a hurry because mindless, ignorant folks place importance on issues like this rather than those that REALLY do affect them as individuals and society as a whole. But I will say this applies moreso to the U.S. right now i.e the Presidential election results. We have a maniac running around taking over countries with faulty reasoning yet 2 guys kissing is so much more important than respecting another nations sovereignty.

haha.. how typical.. Honey, i'm a Bahamian, born and raised. I dont need your craptastic advice about where to post or where to live. If anything, your juvenile retort further proves my point. I couldnt care less what you and your good book has to say about me and honestly, what I do really isnt any of your business. This is the problem we're facing, people who stick their noses in issues that doesnt concern them. I would love for someone to post 1, just 1 singular reason how 2 men or 2 women marrying/civil unioning/whatever you wanna call it affects you and your daily life. How on earth does that affect YOU!? How will this hamper your functioning in society?

Will you toss and turn at night thinking about how, somewhere theres 2 guys just hankering to get married and you just have to stop them from making this huggggeee mistake? Maybe i'll give you the benefit of the doubt in thinking maybe you simply just care about the divorce rate and dont want to see it skyrocket any higher than it already is, without our help I might add. The guise is to protect an oh so precious "institution" people abuse and disregard like yesterdays news, cute, real cute. I mean really, just give people some fricken legal rights already. You can keep your churches, nobodys asking for that, its about legality (separation of church and state although the Bahamas hasnt quite reached there yet and the U.S. seems like its stepping away from that). Nobodys askin YOU to marry same sex, nobodys forcing you to come to the ceremonies and nobodys forcing you to watch (see, I took it to your level right there just for you). Its just none of your business. Think about this for a moment before rushing to hammer away on the keyboard another ignorant reply.. I'm gonna guess it'll probably be along the lines of throwing us out on our heads or something to that effect.

This really shouldnt be that big of a deal, jesus why arent we worrying about our kids who can barely read, write or spell without a disctionary? Education and other social issues should take precedence over crap like this. The Bahamas, socially, is going down the toilet quick, fast and in a hurry because mindless, ignorant folks place importance on issues like this rather than those that REALLY do affect them as individuals and society as a whole. But I will say this applies moreso to the U.S. right now i.e the Presidential election results. We have a maniac running around taking over countries with faulty reasoning yet 2 guys kissing is so much more important than respecting another nations sovereignty.

Wow! Bleh, I must agree with you.

You asked, "I would love for someone to post 1, just 1 singular reason how 2 men or 2 women marrying/civil unioning/whatever you wanna call it affects you and your daily life. How on earth does that affect YOU!? How will this hamper your functioning in society?" Allow me to post my reasons as to why Christians respond to this issue as they do. I am not saying that I agree with their explanation - I am just stating it.

First of all, to the believer, sin IS every ones' business. The Bible lays down ways to behave. Those who do not behave as the Bible states, or does not believe the Bible, are wrong, even evil. Because of their evil they are subject to anything one throws at them. Also, it is the believer's duty to stand up to evil. History has shown us that Christians have put people to death because they have not lived up to the standards, as they interpret them, from the Bible. (As a by-the-by, I believe that should Christianity, or any religion for that matter were to, "take over the reigns of power"in a State we would see these deaths happening all over again. Look at Islamic nations that stick to Sharia law. (Christianity and Islam are from the same root.)

To the Christian, society is the invention of God. It is supported by God. If the society sins, God can destroy it. It is the "job" of the Christian, he believes, to keep the society on the "straight and narrow." The Bible calls them the salt of the earth. So, in short, the Christian sees himself as the guardian of society's morals, as interpreted by them.

On the other hand, Christianity has offered great things to the world - when it sticks to its real meaning which is to change lives. When a person comes to the faith he sees that it is his life that needs changing- no one else just his! It is only when a believer gets the wrong idea about Christianity that he feels he must meddle in the lives of others and bend them to his understanding.

Christians are called to be "witnesses" not judges, nor are they instruments of God's wrath. A Christian of pure heart, and soul, is more of a witness that all the harsh words, torture devices, and "righteous" persecutions put together. He is a good being who is, indeed, the salt of the earth. His job is to show you how he lives, not to make you live as he lives.

He must be a lamp unto the feet of others - not a flame that burns others. Yet to often all we see is the flame- to little of the lamp!

Originally Posted by bleh
haha.. how typical.. Honey, i'm a Bahamian, born and raised. I dont need your craptastic advice about where to post or where to live.

you should heed my advice on how to live though

If anything, your juvenile retort further proves my point. I couldnt care less what you and your good book has to say about me and honestly, what I do really isnt any of your business.


I hope you don't pray to my God when you are scared and in trouble either.
We are all our brothers keeper, and if you don't want your left hand to know what your right hand does, then do what you do in private.


This is the problem we're facing, people who stick their noses in issues that doesnt concern them. I would love for someone to post 1, just 1 singular reason how 2 men or 2 women marrying/civil unioning/whatever you wanna call it affects you and your daily life. How on earth does that affect YOU!? How will this hamper your functioning in society?


It does not affect me, it affects society. I never said it affects me.


Will you toss and turn at night thinking about how, somewhere theres 2 guys just hankering to get married and you just have to stop them from making this huggggeee mistake?


God forbid. God himself let you have your way and gave you up to your own minds ...

Romans 1
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

We are stopping you from doing what you want, we are stopping you from trying to make it ok. We aren't persecuting you, you are trying to change God's law.



Maybe i'll give you the benefit of the doubt in thinking maybe you simply just care about the divorce rate and dont want to see it skyrocket any higher than it already is, without our help I might add. The guise is to protect an oh so precious "institution" people abuse and disregard like yesterdays news, cute, real cute. I mean really, just give people some fricken legal rights already. You can keep your churches, nobodys asking for that, its about legality (separation of church and state although the Bahamas hasnt quite reached there yet and the U.S. seems like its stepping away from that). Nobodys askin YOU to marry same sex, nobodys forcing you to come to the ceremonies and nobodys forcing you to watch (see, I took it to your level right there just for you). Its just none of your business. Think about this for a moment before rushing to hammer away on the keyboard another ignorant reply.. I'm gonna guess it'll probably be along the lines of throwing us out on our heads or something to that effect.


If we throw you out how can we ever hope to save your souls?
That's no better than killing non-believers, and would also make us murderers.

Furthermore, Jesus gave one exception that allows married persons to get a divorce. That is unfaithfulness. While the state might allow all these divorces, which makes a mockery of God's will, the persons are still in fact married and commiting adultery.

Matthew 5
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.


This really shouldnt be that big of a deal, jesus why arent we worrying about our kids who can barely read, write or spell without a disctionary?


Education and other social issues should take precedence over crap like this. The Bahamas, socially, is going down the toilet quick, fast and in a hurry because mindless, ignorant folks place importance on issues like this rather than those that REALLY do affect them as individuals and society as a whole.


You don't think that taking something strictly forbidden in the bible and making it totally legal is an important issue?

Furthermore, we ARE highly educated - we can't force mostly the men of this country to apply themselves in school - the women are certainly taking over, the knowledge is there for the taking.


But I will say this applies moreso to the U.S. right now i.e the Presidential election results. We have a maniac running around taking over countries with faulty reasoning yet 2 guys kissing is so much more important than respecting another nations sovereignty.


Finally something factual, and you are right, it does not apply to us.


Wow! Bleh, I must agree with you.

You asked, "I would love for someone to post 1, just 1 singular reason how 2 men or 2 women marrying/civil unioning/whatever you wanna call it affects you and your daily life. How on earth does that affect YOU!? How will this hamper your functioning in society?" Allow me to post my reasons as to why Christians respond to this issue as they do. I am not saying that I agree with their explanation - I am just stating it.

First of all, to the believer, sin IS every ones' business. The Bible lays down ways to behave. Those who do not behave as the Bible states, or does not believe the Bible, are wrong, even evil. Because of their evil they are subject to anything one throws at them. Also, it is the believer's duty to stand up to evil. History has shown us that Christians have put people to death because they have not lived up to the standards, as they interpret them, from the Bible. (As a by-the-by, I believe that should Christianity, or any religion for that matter were to, "take over the reigns of power"in a State we would see these deaths happening all over again. Look at Islamic nations that stick to Sharia law. (Christianity and Islam are from the same root.)


christians don't kill people, they lead them to the Lord for salvation. Killing people back in that time was not a Godly thing to do. We are suppose to open the minds of those that are blinded by satan's illusions of the truth.


To the Christian, society is the invention of God. It is supported by God. If the society sins, God can destroy it. It is the "job" of the Christian, he believes, to keep the society on the "straight and narrow." The Bible calls them the salt of the earth. So, in short, the Christian sees himself as the guardian of society's morals, as interpreted by them.

On the other hand, Christianity has offered great things to the world - when it sticks to its real meaning which is to change lives. When a person comes to the faith he sees that it is his life that needs changing- no one else just his! It is only when a believer gets the wrong idea about Christianity that he feels he must meddle in the lives of others and bend them to his understanding.

Christians are called to be "witnesses" not judges, nor are they instruments of God's wrath. A Christian of pure heart, and soul, is more of a witness that all the harsh words, torture devices, and "righteous" persecutions put together. He is a good being who is, indeed, the salt of the earth. His job is to show you how he lives, not to make you live as he lives.


Correct. We don't make anyone live a certain way, we merely point out how they should live. If 2 men or women go around in public kissing, etc ... a true christian will not physically attack you - but they sure may rebuke you and preach at you. However, you must understand that a christian that actually reads his bible will know better. We know that the persons committing sin is doing so because they are being mentally deceived by evil spirits. Our job is to reveal the truth to you not force it on you - you have a free will to do as you please. But remember that there are far more pretending christians and non-believers out there who would take great pride in physically harming you.
Some of them will even be convinced that they are christians and just doing the Lord's work. But we know better right? I am sure you read your bible more than many of them.


He must be a lamp unto the feet of others - not a flame that burns others. Yet to often all we see is the flame- to little of the lamp!

Well said CG, as usual.

Originally Posted by bleh
haha.. how typical.. Honey, i'm a Bahamian, born and raised. I dont need your craptastic advice about where to post or where to live.

you should heed my advice on how to live though

If anything, your juvenile retort further proves my point. I couldnt care less what you and your good book has to say about me and honestly, what I do really isnt any of your business.


I hope you don't pray to my God when you are scared and in trouble either. Very Christian of you bsmbahamas
We are all our brothers keeper, and if you don't want your left hand to know what your right hand does, then do what you do in private.

Make it equal then if we must keep our lives in privet so should heterosexual. If we can't hold hands in public heterosexuals should not either. What ever you don't want us to do in public heterosexuals should not do in public. Treat others as you your self want to be treated.
This is the problem we're facing, people who stick their noses in issues that doesnt concern them. I would love for someone to post 1, just 1 singular reason how 2 men or 2 women marrying/civil unioning/whatever you wanna call it affects you and your daily life. How on earth does that affect YOU!? How will this hamper your functioning in society?


It does not affect me, it affects society. I never said it affects me.


Will you toss and turn at night thinking about how, somewhere theres 2 guys just hankering to get married and you just have to stop them from making this huggggeee mistake?


God forbid. God himself let you have your way and gave you up to your own minds ...

Romans 1
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

We are stopping you from doing what you want, we are stopping you from trying to make it ok. We aren't persecuting you, you are trying to change God's law.



Maybe i'll give you the benefit of the doubt in thinking maybe you simply just care about the divorce rate and dont want to see it skyrocket any higher than it already is, without our help I might add. The guise is to protect an oh so precious "institution" people abuse and disregard like yesterdays news, cute, real cute. I mean really, just give people some fricken legal rights already. You can keep your churches, nobodys asking for that, its about legality (separation of church and state although the Bahamas hasnt quite reached there yet and the U.S. seems like its stepping away from that). Nobodys askin YOU to marry same sex, nobodys forcing you to come to the ceremonies and nobodys forcing you to watch (see, I took it to your level right there just for you). Its just none of your business. Think about this for a moment before rushing to hammer away on the keyboard another ignorant reply.. I'm gonna guess it'll probably be along the lines of throwing us out on our heads or something to that effect.


If we throw you out how can we ever hope to save your souls?
That's no better than killing non-believers, and would also make us murderers.

Furthermore, Jesus gave one exception that allows married persons to get a divorce. That is unfaithfulness. While the state might allow all these divorces, which makes a mockery of God's will, the persons are still in fact married and commiting adultery.

Matthew 5
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.


This really shouldnt be that big of a deal, jesus why arent we worrying about our kids who can barely read, write or spell without a disctionary?


Education and other social issues should take precedence over crap like this. The Bahamas, socially, is going down the toilet quick, fast and in a hurry because mindless, ignorant folks place importance on issues like this rather than those that REALLY do affect them as individuals and society as a whole.


You don't think that taking something strictly forbidden in the bible and making it totally legal is an important issue?

Furthermore, we ARE highly educated - we can't force mostly the men of this country to apply themselves in school - the women are certainly taking over, the knowledge is there for the taking.


But I will say this applies moreso to the U.S. right now i.e the Presidential election results. We have a maniac running around taking over countries with faulty reasoning yet 2 guys kissing is so much more important than respecting another nations sovereignty.


Finally something factual, and you are right, it does not apply to us.


Wow! Bleh, I must agree with you.

You asked, "I would love for someone to post 1, just 1 singular reason how 2 men or 2 women marrying/civil unioning/whatever you wanna call it affects you and your daily life. How on earth does that affect YOU!? How will this hamper your functioning in society?" Allow me to post my reasons as to why Christians respond to this issue as they do. I am not saying that I agree with their explanation - I am just stating it.

First of all, to the believer, sin IS every ones' business. The Bible lays down ways to behave. Those who do not behave as the Bible states, or does not believe the Bible, are wrong, even evil. Because of their evil they are subject to anything one throws at them. Also, it is the believer's duty to stand up to evil. History has shown us that Christians have put people to death because they have not lived up to the standards, as they interpret them, from the Bible. (As a by-the-by, I believe that should Christianity, or any religion for that matter were to, "take over the reigns of power"in a State we would see these deaths happening all over again. Look at Islamic nations that stick to Sharia law. (Christianity and Islam are from the same root.)


christians don't kill people, they lead them to the Lord for salvation. Killing people back in that time was not a Godly thing to do. We are suppose to open the minds of those that are blinded by satan's illusions of the truth.

Those people back then were just as sure their interpretations were right, Just as now you think your interpretations are right.
To the Christian, society is the invention of God. It is supported by God. If the society sins, God can destroy it. It is the "job" of the Christian, he believes, to keep the society on the "straight and narrow." The Bible calls them the salt of the earth. So, in short, the Christian sees himself as the guardian of society's morals, as interpreted by them.

On the other hand, Christianity has offered great things to the world - when it sticks to its real meaning which is to change lives. When a person comes to the faith he sees that it is his life that needs changing- no one else just his! It is only when a believer gets the wrong idea about Christianity that he feels he must meddle in the lives of others and bend them to his understanding.

Christians are called to be "witnesses" not judges, nor are they instruments of God's wrath. A Christian of pure heart, and soul, is more of a witness that all the harsh words, torture devices, and "righteous" persecutions put together. He is a good being who is, indeed, the salt of the earth. His job is to show you how he lives, not to make you live as he lives.


Correct. We don't make anyone live a certain way, we merely point out how they should live. If 2 men or women go around in public kissing, etc ... a true christian will not physically attack you - but they sure may rebuke you and preach at you. However, you must understand that a christian that actually reads his bible will know better. We know that the persons committing sin is doing so because they are being mentally deceived by evil spirits. Our job is to reveal the truth to you not force it on you - you have a free will to do as you please. But remember that there are far more pretending christians and non-believers out there who would take great pride in physically harming you.
Some of them will even be convinced that they are christians and just doing the Lord's work. But we know better right? I am sure you read your bible more than many of them.


He must be a lamp unto the feet of others - not a flame that burns others. Yet to often all we see is the flame- to little of the lamp!

Well said CG, as usual.

the word you may be looking for is 'enigma'

1. One that is puzzling, ambiguous, or inexplicable.
2. A perplexing speech or text; a riddle.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=enigma

not 'anomly'
1. Deviation or departure from the normal or common order, form, or rule.
2. One that is peculiar, irregular, abnormal, or difficult to classify ...
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=anomaly+

Thanks, but no thanks, I meant anomaly.

http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=anomaly.

Webster's 1913 Dictionary
3. (Nat. Hist.) Any deviation from the essential
characteristics of a specific type.

Please note that the "(Nat. Hist.)" indicates that the third definition is to be used to explain the word "anomaly" in conjunction and within the parameters of Nature and Historical content.

The root word of enigma is listed on the page you posted. Enigmas are scientific but moreso have to do with puzzles, conundrums within the branches of mathematics and logic.
"enigma
n 1: something that baffles understanding and cannot be explained; "how it got out is a mystery"; "it remains one of nature's secrets"

While gender is a more of a natural occurence, it can be explained, therefore making it an anomaly and not an enigma.
The concept of hermaphroditism is only an enigma to those who don't pay attention to nature. Homo Sapien aren't the only lifeform hermaphroditism/asexuality occurs in.

An example of an enigma is, "Where is the seat of consciousness for the human foetus while it is still in the womb, and why can't we remember what life was like in the womb?"

An example of an anomaly is a child born with six fingers.

But by this time you ought to have gotten my PMs and should understand what I mean by viewing walls differently. You are welcome to your perception/interpretation of homosexuality as an enigma. I view it as an anomaly.

Thanks, but no thanks, I meant anomaly.

http://hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=anomaly.

Webster's 1913 Dictionary
3. (Nat. Hist.) Any deviation from the essential
characteristics of a specific type.

Please note that the "(Nat. Hist.)" indicates that the third definition is to be used to explain the word "anomaly" in conjunction and within the parameters of Nature and Historical content.

The root word of enigma is listed on the page you posted. Enigmas are scientific but moreso have to do with puzzles, conundrums within the branches of mathematics and logic.
"enigma
n 1: something that baffles understanding and cannot be explained; "how it got out is a mystery"; "it remains one of nature's secrets"

While gender is a more of a natural occurence, it can be explained, therefore making it an anomaly and not an enigma.
The concept of hermaphroditism is only an enigma to those who don't pay attention to nature. Homo Sapien aren't the only lifeform hermaphroditism/asexuality occurs in.

An example of an enigma is, "Where is the seat of consciousness for the human foetus while it is still in the womb, and why can't we remember what life was like in the womb?"

An example of an anomaly is a child born with six fingers.


But by this time you ought to have gotten my PMs and should understand what I mean by viewing walls differently. You are welcome to your perception/interpretation of homosexuality as an enigma. I view it as an anomaly.


Who are you posting to??

Who are you posting to??

bsmbahamas...post #52 on this thread. My bad. Going to edit that right now.

To the person that said Islam is the largest religion in the world (earlier in the post), it isn't...yet! :)


Arguable.

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

"There are many distinct religions or religious movements which have more adherents than some of the classical world religions, but which are not part of the classical list for various reasons." Some of these reasons include:

"their adherents primarily name a different, more established traditional religion as their religious preference (most practitioners of Vodoun are nominal Catholics, practitioners of New Age religions are often nominally Protestant, Catholic or Jewish)

their religion is still strongly associated with a major religion from which it arose, but no longer wishes to be an official part of (Tenrikyo and many other Japanese New Religious Movements, as well as many religions emerging from Indian/Hindu environments)"

Some Christians will say that Roman Catholicism is not a Christian Religion and some will say that the Protestants aren't Christian. Granted though, 'each of the "world religions" are actually classifications of multiple distinct movements, sects, divisions, denominations, etc. None of the world religions are a single, unified, monolithic organization.'

you big-minded americans...You guys need to keep your posts short so I/we can shoot them down one at a time.
Oh yeah, speaking of monolithic: If any part of this statement refers to me, check ya aim sniper...I ain't American. Secondly, while I am on this planet, I'll understand that I was born in Princess Margaret Hospital at 5:05AM, December 29th, 1979, delivered by a Dr. McNeil with the help of forceps because my mother was too weak to push me out and that as far as The Commonwealth Of The Bahamas is concerned, that would make me a Bahamian citizen.
But what I also understand is that Him Whom I Serve "knew" me before I was in the womb. This tells me that truly I am NOT a Bahamian. The Bahamas is not my origin, neither is it my home, neither is it where I reside.
Should you feel inclined to fault me or any other human being for that matter, based on where they're from...go ahead. It only proves one thing, and I'll leave it at that.

Excuse me gang...we are getting totally off of the subject. :confused: The question was: Is same sex marriage righteous or evil? When did this become my religion says your religion sucks and is not right? Stop ad-libbing people, stick to the script!

That's often the trend in here, things stray from the topic, and go to religion, and other irrelevant topics. I'm a bit tired of the same thing over and over again.

That's often the trend in here, things stray from the topic, and go to religion, and other irrelevant topics. I'm a bit tired of the same thing over and over again.

The topic is based on religion/s.

I don't think it is...because you don't follow any religion Vicky and you started the thread....it's whether or not Same sex marriage is evil or not....not whether according to ISlam, or Christianity whether it is evil or not...if someone says that it is evil/not because they are of a certain faith...then it is their opinion,....leave it at they...they state their opinion and that's that....now if you want to respond to their comment....do not attack their religion or try to undermine their beliefs just to prove them contrary or whatever....because regardless of religion....some will find it evil / not evil....it's up to the person truthfully...so leave their religious beliefs alone.....let's try that.

Wasn't referring to you Parietal_03, though your posts are sometimes long.

You and CG are the most sensible posters on this site in my opinion, even if we don't see things the same way.

isn't that the beauty of debate?

:lafs:

I don't think it is...because you don't follow any religion Vicky and you started the thread....it's whether or not Same sex marriage is evil or not....not whether according to ISlam, or Christianity whether it is evil or not...if someone says that it is evil/not because they are of a certain faith...then it is their opinion,....leave it at they...they state their opinion and that's that....now if you want to respond to their comment....do not attack their religion or try to undermine their beliefs just to prove them contrary or whatever....because regardless of religion....some will find it evil / not evil....it's up to the person truthfully...so leave their religious beliefs alone.....let's try that.


Further to what Rizzo was saying above, how can you dicuss whether anything is 'righteous or evil' without speaking in terms of your religion?

The debate is not about whether Same Sex Marriage is *OK*, it is about whether it is righeous or evil.

Of course it is ok if you toss out religion, you have free will right, and your of legal age and consenting, and not directly harming anyone, except MAYBE yourselves.

But is it righteous or evil? That was the question.

According to my religion, homosexuality is an abomination, so my best guess is that would also make homosexual marriages an abomination.

And what about to sisters or brothers or close cousins of the same sex getting married?

further, why not allow couples to marry and form groups of more than than just 2 men or 2 women - why not allow 2 men and 2 women to get married as well?

See the problem it will bring.

Families already are allowed to combine and share assets, there is no need to get married for this - but 2 sisters or brothers may want to marry what then?

Wasn't referring to you Parietal_03, though your posts are sometimes long.

You and CG are the most sensible posters on this site in my opinion, even if we don't see things the same way.

isn't that the beauty of debate?

:lafs:


Thanks for the complement!

Yes, that is the beauty of debate, and at the end of the day the wise debater goes away with the hope that he has learned something from his "opponent" and that his "opponent" has learned something from him! :friday: