Straight domestic partners do too get many of those privileges, though, in many countries around the world and at most of the Fortune 1000 corporations in the U.S. ... what am I missing here?

Straight domestic partners do too get many of those privileges, though, in many countries around the world and at most of the Fortune 1000 corporations in the U.S. ... what am I missing here?
I REALLY thought we were talking about the BAHAMAS, silly me!

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Pertaining to this last paragraph. I have found that the majority of the gay community is just wanting the rights of being able to 'will' their homes or have the 'rights' to benefit from their 'lovers' as in insurance purposes and etc. There are many corporations that are now offering medical coverage to the domestic partners and as with the wills there are ways of willing your personal assets to anyone you wish. You can actually if you feel that you want to do so disclaim your siblings,parents, and children and devoutly proclaim that all of them are not in your will. Making your partner the executor of your will and also as two friends buy houses together or form a partnership as to where IF the other dies then the portion that was yours goes to the existing partner. What needs to be fought is with the insurance companies and the laws need to be changed that will allow a person to will their estate to whomever they so choose and if that is your desire then it should not be challenge by any of your relatives no matter if they agreed with your lifestyle or not. I have two friends that are not lesbians but as good friends since a young age decided to buy a home together. One had been previously married and has three children. Before entering this agreement and going forth in doing so for financial reason she let her children know that it was the women's property and whomever survived the other would automatically gained the others portion. If you have it written properly and it is understood in the courts there is no problem and cannot be contested.


What is stopping you from doing those things right now? You know and I know that you can damn well will you asserts to any person you so wish! There are no laws in this country that stipulate that you cannot will/give your asserts to male or female! However, the only time any citizen of this country may encounter difficulty is if you die intestate. Then the court will dispurse your assert according to law! Therefore, marriage between male and male or female and female remain unsupported in our laws and thus will have a problematic situation. Subsequently,your argument simply implies " I want to get married intrasexed"! So if that is what you want to say..then say that!

Because I do find your assertion very disingenuous...be real or stay out of the fray! This national debate calls for honest logic and not hidden agendas, religious or otherwise!

... and I thought that the present conversation was about such social precedent possibly impacting future action in the Bahamas, no?


I REALLY thought we were talking about the BAHAMAS, silly me!

:dgi: Are you trying to be funny?

No real question whatv is your answer.

I don't get the impression that the effort to re-define marriage as between two consenting adults (of whatever combination) was about conformity as much as it was about creating a legal union that would be recognized by state authorities. My gay friends have had a heckuva time with a partner falling ill or even dying ... and why shouldn't domestic partners raising children be able to include each other in their powers of attorney, medical insurance "family" coverage, life insurance policies, next of kin notifications?

hope that helps them understand.

For the same reason hetrosexual domestic partners can't.What makes a gay couple so much more special than them. :dgi:

Ah but if a heterosexual couple want to join their assets legely all they have to do is get married and they don't need a church wedding. What option does a same sex couple have?

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What is stopping you from doing those things right now? You know and I know that you can damn well will you asserts to any person you so wish! There are no laws in this country that stipulate that you cannot will/give your asserts to male or female! However, the only time any citizen of this country may encounter difficulty is if you die intestate. Then the court will dispurse your assert according to law! Therefore, marriage between male and male or female and female remain unsupported in our laws and thus will have a problematic situation. Subsequently,your argument simply implies " I want to get married intrasexed"! So if that is what you want to say..then say that!

Because I do find your assertion very disingenuous...be real or stay out of the fray! This national debate calls for honest logic and not hidden agendas, religious or otherwise!

The difference is cost and time. How much is a marriage licence how much is it to form a company or a partnership? Both options are subject to business laws and policy. Also it would not give someone family rights as in one partner is in the hospital the other might not be allowed in to be by their side. Medical insurance and other benefits heterosexual couple have.
That is discrimination.
For GLBT its not about religion its not about sex its about legel rights and equality.
When same sex union are legel what differance will it make in your life ??

Ah but if a heterosexual couple want to join their assets legely all they have to do is get married and they don't need a church wedding. What option does a same sex couple have?
Are you being funny again? :board2:

I really wonder if people really dn't get the idea of cost & effect.Its like you want to go against societies rules & form your own right,but yet you expect these rules do be bent to accomadate you.Look I'm a herb smoker,would I like to light up a joint after a good meal in a restaurant of course I would.But I also know that I will get arrested so I dn't.What in the world makes someone who wants to sleep with the same sex any better than me. :board2:

True story right here.....A college mate of mine's father died.Now his mother in the hospital trying to get the body to go & make funeral arrangements,when the doctor told her she had to give her the death certificate back,because the REAL Mrs.Jones showed up to claim her husband's body. :what: That time they carrying on real bad,but the fact of the matter is she spent the last 20yrs of her life with someone elses husband.No one forced her into that situation & the law states that Mrs. Jones has all rights to her husband and thats just the way it is.In this life there will always be stumbling blocks in our paths,so just get over it & move on.

I really wonder if people really dn't get the idea of cost & effect.Its like you want to go against societies rules & form your own right,but yet you expect these rules do be bent to accomadate you. Not me I am married already. But the same could be said of slaves wanting freedom. Look I'm a herb smoker,would I like to light up a joint after a good meal in a restaurant of course I would.But I also know that I will get arrested so I dn't.What in the world makes someone who wants to sleep with the same sex any better than me. :board2:
It comes back to this being attracted to the same sex in not a choice, smoking herb is a choice.
True story right here.....A college mate of mine's father died.Now his mother in the hospital trying to get the body to go & make funeral arrangements,when the doctor told her she had to give her the death certificate back,because the REAL Mrs.Jones showed up to claim her husband's body. :what: That time they carrying on real bad,but the fact of the matter is she spent the last 20yrs of her life with someone elses husband.No one forced her into that situation & the law states that Mrs. Jones has all rights to her husband and thats just the way it is.In this life there will always be stumbling blocks in our paths,so just get over it & move on.

Thats right one woman had the legal right and the other did not.
Want another true story. A lesbian had a home her girlfriend moved in they lived together for 35 years. They maintained and improved the home together.
The older of the 2 women (the legal owner of the house) was on a ladder pruning a tree while the other was getting lunch together. The one pruning the tree fell and broke her neck. She was crippled for the rest of her life. The womans lover stayed with her looking after her every need for 4 years until she died. The family of the older lesbian never did anything to help not even send a card. But after the sister had died she was told she was not welcome at the funural. The older brother came after the funeral and told the woman she had ten days to get out and she could not take anything with her but for her clothes. Even the things his sister gave to her lover were not to be touched.

Sorry there has top be legal civil union for all and it will come. My generation might not see it but I am sure my children will.

If you look around you can find a lenghty report about homosexuals in San Francisco in the late 80's and the results state than more than 90% of the men interviewed claimed to have OVER 300 DIFFERENT sexual parters in ONE YEAR.

And we all know gays in certain areas of the US in the late 80's early 90's should carry a lot of the blame for the spread of HIV in the western world.

For too many gay people it is their sexual activity that defines them as being who they are. Due to their well know hightened level of promiscuity I'd say we should do every thing in our power to convince them get get into long term monogamous relationships. But not "marriage".

You see, marriage is a special word. It's OUR word. Marriage is for STRAIGHT people. You've heard the term 'married with kids' a million times in your life. Marriage is about raising children and we all know 2 people of the same sex can't produce offspring.

Marriage is the union of a man and woman as husband and wife in the eyes of 'GOD' and in the eyes of the law. Not just God as it relates to Christians. Every religion that has a god has their god as a centerpiece of the concept of marriage. And in every religion I've ever heard of, their god, like our God, does not approve of homosexuality.

But, some of these people are really really serious about the person who their with and want to try to be with that same one person forever....like a family. We shouldn't punish them for wanting to not be like the rest of the gays and actually settle down and be a union. But they can't call it 'marriage'. Marriage belong to us and it'll be a cold day in hell before I approve of gay 'marriage'.

However, if they really want to be serious about monogamy we should help them with that. There should be some sort of legal document that 2 gays can sign with their lawyers as a witness that gives them some of the same legal benefits and status that married people have. Just DON'T CALL IT MARRIAGE. DON'T INVOLVE A RELIGOUS ENTITY don't mention anybody's GOD, DON'T perform it in a CHURCH, MOSQUE, or SYNAGOGUE, and it'll be ok with me.

If you look around you can find a lenghty report about homosexuals in San Francisco in the late 80's and the results state than more than 90% of the men interviewed claimed to have OVER 300 DIFFERENT sexual parters in ONE YEAR.
Please prove it. Also please post and prove the same on heterosexuals..
And we all know gays in certain areas of the US in the late 80's early 90's should carry a lot of the blame for the spread of HIV in the western world.
Hhhhmmm and now its heterosexuals that spread it more than homosexuals....
For too many gay people it is their sexual activity that defines them as being who they are. Due to their well know hightened level of promiscuity I'd say we should do every thing in our power to convince them get get into long term monogamous relationships. But not "marriage".
Call it same sex union is cool with me.
FYI
California Senate approves bill allowing gay marriage
http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/local/state/hc-02110605.apds.m0455.bc-ct--gaymsep02,0,7721696.story?coll=hc-headlines-local-wire



You see, marriage is a special word. It's OUR word. Marriage is for STRAIGHT people. You've heard the term 'married with kids' a million times in your life. Marriage is about raising children and we all know 2 people of the same sex can't produce offspring. So what should it be called when a man and a woman want to get married when one or both can't have children?? Or choose not to have children?

Marriage is the union of a man and woman as husband and wife in the eyes of 'GOD' and in the eyes of the law. Not just God as it relates to Christians. Every religion that has a god has their god as a centerpiece of the concept of marriage. And in every religion I've ever heard of, their god, like our God, does not approve of homosexuality. Better look up Quakers and Native American 2 spirit people. That only 2 there are more. Even anceint christians.

But, some of these people are really really serious about the person who their with and want to try to be with that same one person forever....like a family. We shouldn't punish them for wanting to not be like the rest of the gays and actually settle down and be a union. But they can't call it 'marriage'. Marriage belong to us and it'll be a cold day in hell before I approve of gay 'marriage'.

However, if they really want to be serious about monogamy we should help them with that. There should be some sort of legal document that 2 gays can sign with their lawyers as a witness that gives them some of the same legal benefits and status that married people have. Just DON'T CALL IT MARRIAGE. DON'T INVOLVE A RELIGOUS ENTITY don't mention anybody's GOD, DON'T perform it in a CHURCH, MOSQUE, or SYNAGOGUE, and it'll be ok with me.

Same sex marriage (or what ever you want to call it) should be legal and nothing to do with faith just as marriage is right now in the Bahamas. A hetero couple can be married with out any form of faith. Just have a judge do it.
It should be up to the CHURCH, MOSQUE, or SYNAGOGUE not the law. If the CHURCH, MOSQUE, or SYNAGOGUE does not want to do it they should not have to it is a matter of faith.

Connecticut approves same-sex civil unions
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050414-064622-1805r.htm