‘Same Sex Marriage’, Is it Righteous or Evil?
By Wendell F. Lewis (© 2004)

When the subject of homosexuality is brought up in any forum it generates great emotions and heated conversations from those who support it and from those who oppose it. The proponents of this lifestyle has added coal to the fiery debate by demanding that they be accepted as normal, insisting that their relationships not be referred to as ‘unnatural’, and threatening class action law suits against the government of the Bahamas if gays and lesbians are not allowed to be legally united in ‘Holy Matrimony’.

Those who have been paying attention to international news know that this volcanic subject matter is not unique to the Bahamas. Indeed, it can be said that it has the world in a tailspin.

I believe the Bible to be the road map for civilization. Therefore, I seek to plainly and clearly echo the words of the Bible, which would show, without any doubt, the Bible’s position on the subject of homosexuality and ‘Same Sex Marriage’. Is it righteous or is it evil?

In Genesis 1:26 & 27, God said, “…Let us make man in our image, in our likeness…” “So God created man in his own image…” “…male and female he created them.” In Chapter 2:18 & 22, God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." “Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. Verse 24 says, “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

God’s first instruction to the male and female, was "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth…” (Gen. 1:28).

This indicates that Gods intention from the time he created male and female was, one man and one woman coming together in marriage making them one flesh. Through this union children would come, thus they would commence to fulfil their first assignment, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth…”

In Genesis chapter 3 man was tempted. He yielded to that temptation and disobeyed God. This resulted in what is called the “fall of man”. According to Genesis 6, from this point on, man increased in wickedness and every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. The Lord was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.

Evil continued to increase on the earth, to the point that the Lord Himself came down to investigate a particular city by the name of Sodom and Gomorrah.

In Genesis 18:20 & 21 the Bible states, “…the Lord said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous…” “…I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-9 tells us that the men of that city wanted to have sex with men instead of women. In verse 7, Lot said to the men of Sodom and Gomorrah “Don’t do this wicked thing.” This was spoken in reference to the men’s homosexual desires.

The Bible records that God did destroy the city of Sodom and Gomorrah, which indicates that the sins of this city was indeed great and grievous. It also indicates that this final wicked act by the men of the city caused the Lord to move resolutely to do what He did, since He (the Lord) was on a fact-finding mission.

The kind of destruction visited on Sodom and Gomorrah suggests that God was ‘hot under the collar’, He was very angry. Verse 24 says, “…the Lord rained down burning sulphur on Sodom and Gomorrah”.

In Leviticus 18:3-5, God said, “…You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the Lord your God. Keep my decrees and laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them.”

God saw that His people, Israel, were very easily influenced by the nations around them. Therefore He instituted laws, regulations and instructions that would assist His people in obeying Him and living righteous lives.

The Lord devoted the entire chapter of Leviticus 18 to explaining carefully and succinctly the details of unlawful sexual relations.

Verse 22 of this chapter clearly states, “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.” This law is restated in chapter 20:13 with the addition of the penalty that must follow if the law is contravened. It states, “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”

From what we have covered thus far, it appears that this is no trivial matter to God. However, we have only drawn reference from the ‘Old Covenant’. What does the ‘New Covenant’ have to say about homosexuality and ‘Same Sex Marriage’?

I commence with this ‘New Covenant’ statement that I believe to be very fundamental to all believers. It is found in Romans 1:16, and it reads, “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes…” “For therein is the righteousness of God revealed…”

At this point, if you are not verifying the scripture reference, I encourage you to get your Bible now and confirm that what is referenced herein is in fact in the Bible. Some of you will be shocked to know that the Bible speaks with clear, plain and direct language. Let’s read.

Romans 1:26 & 27, “…their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”

You don’t need to be a rocket scientist or a PHD scholar to understand or interpret what these verses are saying. The words used here to describe these relations are, shameful lusts, unnatural relations, indecent acts and perversion.

In case I am accused of taking these verses out of context, I invite you to read this entire passage in context so that you can get an appreciation for the mood that one senses from God when this is read.

Romans 1:18-32, “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen."

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossipers, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, and ruthless. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”

Furthermore, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 & 18 says, “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually, sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit…?”

The ‘Judgement’ is clear and plain; Homosexuality and Lesbianism is evil.

For a nation to sanction this evil is paramount to that nation inviting a curse upon itself. The scripture declares in Leviticus 18:24-26, “Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. But you must keep my decrees and my laws.”

If we care and are concerned for our beloved Bahama land, then we cannot stand by and watch and by default allow our land to become defiled. Righteousness exalts a nation, and sin is a disgrace to any people (Proverbs 14:34). When righteous men remain silent, evil will flourish.

It appears that many believers have retreated to those closets that homosexuals and lesbians have boldly stepped out from. The word of God tells us that we have not been given a spirit of fear, but a spirit of power, love and a sound mind. We must boldly regain the territories that we have lost.

You will be encouraged to know that our constitution supports our position. The Preamble to The Constitution of The Bahamas includes and declares, “Whereas the People of this Family of Islands recognizing that the preservation of their Freedom will be guaranteed by a national commitment to Self-discipline, Industry, Loyalty, Unity and an abiding respect for Christian values and the Rule of Law; We the Inheritors of and Successors to this Family of Islands, recognizing the Supremacy of God and believing in the Fundamental Rights and Freedoms of the Individual, Do Hereby Proclaim in Solemn Praise the Establishment of a Free and Democratic Sovereign Nation founded on Spiritual Values and in which no Man, Woman or Child shall ever be Slave or Bondsman to anyone or their Labour exploited or their Lives frustrated by deprivation, and do Hereby Provide by these Articles for the indivisible Unity and Creation under God of the Commonwealth of The Bahamas.

Therefore, I call on believers everywhere to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” “Shout it aloud, do not hold back. Raise your voice like a trumpet. Declare to my people their rebellion…”

The Lord Jesus Christ Himself said, “…I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

By Wendell F. Lewis, © 2004

Pastor of ‘Judah Worship Center’ (JWC)
Portago Road, Oakesfield, New Providence, Bahamas.
P.O. Box SB 50634,
Tel. # (242) 325-3389 / (242) 395-4414 / (242) 454-1555
Fax. (242) 325-3389
E-mail: pastorlu961@yahoo.com or pastorlu961@hotmail.com

Hi Wendell is the Creator all knowing and all-powerful. Dose the Creator know past present and future??

How is the poor Christian to know what "laws" he must follow and what laws are no longer in favor?

Those who oppose same sex unions look to the teachings of the Bible. They select passages that suit their purpose. Let me do the same as I ask, "You want to follow the law about homosexuals but why not follow this law as well?

"Deuteronomy 21:18 If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town."They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid."

Before you say that this was just a Civil law read the passage that opens Deuteronomy, "Deu 1:1 These are the words Moses spoke to all Israel in the desert east of the Jordan......... Moses proclaimed to the Israelites all that the LORD had commanded him concerning them."

So, the above passage (Deu 21:18) comes from God. Why not follow it? Because the human race has come to see that this is barbaric and just plain silly! I wonder when the Israelites stopped following this law(?) We have also out grown that kind of treatment to our kids (I hope!) Yet, we continue to damn the homosexual! Maybe, one day, we will come to see that is just plain silly too!

‘Same Sex Marriage’, Is it Righteous or Evil?
By Wendell F. Lewis (© 2004)
My response is in blue and numbered for convenient response.
When the subject of homosexuality is brought up in any forum it generates great emotions and heated conversations from those who support it and from those who oppose it. The proponents of this lifestyle has added coal to the fiery debate by demanding that they be accepted as normal, insisting that their relationships not be referred to as ‘unnatural’, and threatening class action law suits against the government of the Bahamas if gays and lesbians are not allowed to be legally united in ‘Holy Matrimony’.

1 Wrong here Wendell Gays and Lesbians don’t (let me repeat it again) don’t care about “Holy Matrimony” they feel if the Christians want to keep it in your churches please do so. Keep it there please and leave them alone. Gays and lesbians are just as happy to keep it out of church because that is your and other Christian’s special interest. So please keep it there. Your interpretations of your faith are just that your interpretations and your faith, Its not mine or the gays and lesbians I know. Christian belief and human rights are different things. Thus gays and lesbians should be allowed to be united under civil law.

Those who have been paying attention to international news know that this volcanic subject matter is not unique to the Bahamas. Indeed, it can be said that it has the world in a tailspin.

2 Have a question no religious leader wants to answer but may be you could please. Why did Christians kill hundreds of thousands of men women and children in the name of Christ? Many killed for simply being left-handed or because they could make medicine from herbs. They would be tortured and then most of the time burned alive.

I believe the Bible to be the road map for civilization. Therefore, I seek to plainly and clearly echo the words of the Bible, which would show, without any doubt, the Bible’s position on the subject of homosexuality and ‘Same Sex Marriage’. Is it righteous or is it evil?

3 Please note you second word “believe” Believe dose not make it a fact. How many people believed the world was flat and if you sailed out to far you would fall off???

In Genesis 1:26 & 27, God said, “…Let us make man in our image, in our likeness…” “So God created man in his own image…” “…male and female he created them.” In Chapter 2:18 & 22, God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." “Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. Verse 24 says, “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

God’s first instruction to the male and female, was "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth…” (Gen. 1:28).


4. The Bible reads Genesis 1: 31 “And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. “
Chapter 2: 1“Thus the heavens and the earth were finished and all the host of them.
The Creator said it was good.
5. male and female he created them. Why does it not read 1 male and 1 female he created them??
6 Genesis 4:16-17 “And Cain went out form the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden and Cain knew his wife and she conceived and bare Enoch and he builded a city and called the name of the city after his son Enoch”
7 What did Enoch find for a wife?
8 What inhabated the city?
Monkey's????
9 Or were there other humans?
10 Where did they come from??
Matthew 19:12 “For there are some eunuchs which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there are eunuchs which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it let him receive it.”
11 Who created the born eunuch if only male and female were created??


This indicates that Gods intention from the time he created male and female was, one man and one woman coming together in marriage making them one flesh. Through this union children would come, thus they would commence to fulfil their first assignment, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth…”

12 Woe is me shame and scandal in the family. What about adultery? How many women that have been divorced that have been remarried in “Holy Matrimony” in Christian Churches. Mark 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband and be married to another, she committeth adultery. (I don’t mean to be picking on women here Its a Bible reference.)

In Genesis chapter 3 man was tempted. He yielded to that temptation and disobeyed God. This resulted in what is called the “fall of man”. According to Genesis 6, from this point on, man increased in wickedness and every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. The Lord was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.

Evil continued to increase on the earth, to the point that the Lord Himself came down to investigate a particular city by the name of Sodom and Gomorrah.

In Genesis 18:20 & 21 the Bible states, “…the Lord said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous…” “…I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-9 tells us that the men of that city wanted to have sex with men instead of women. In verse 7, Lot said to the men of Sodom and Gomorrah “Don’t do this wicked thing.” This was spoken in reference to the men’s homosexual desires.
”This was spoken in reference to the men’s homosexual desires.” This is your reference not the Bible’s. The Bible reads Genesis 19:5 “And they called unto Lot. And said unto him. Where are the men, which came in to thee this night? Bring them out unto us that we may know them.”
13 Since when does “that we may know them” equal homosexual love?
14 The angels did not want to have sex with the men. Thus not consenting adults.
15 Lets say the men of Sodom wanted to rape the angels. Rape is not consentual sex it is an act of violence. Ask anyone who has been raped and see if it was cousentual sex.
16 So please explain how Genesis 19:5 “that we may know them” equals homosexual love??
Genesis 19:8,”Behold now I have two daughters which have not known man; let me I pray you bring them out unto you and you do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.”
17 Is this how God wants us to protect ourselves from the homosexuals by offering to let them rape our virgin daughters?
18 The story is found in Judges 19:14-28. (to long to wirte word for word) It bears a striking resemblance to the Sodom story -- a traveler arrives at the city (in this case, Gilbeah). There he meets an old man who is, like Lot, a resident alien. The old man warns the traveler that he should not stay in the town square, and he extends the hand of hospitality in accordance with Holy law, inviting the traveler to share his abode for the night. But the men of the city surround the old man's house and demand that the traveler be sent out so "that we may know him" The old man refuses, but offers his virgin daughter and his concubine to the mob instead. When the crowd refuses the offer, the old man throws his concubine outside as a diversion, whereupon the mob rape and abuse her all night, leaving her dying at the threshold. When the Israelites learn of the abuse of the concubine, they rise up against Gilbeah and, with God's help, destroy.
Here is the same “that we may know him There is the “know” again.
19 If Lot and this old man knew they mobs where male homosexual what would be the point of offering females to them????

The Bible records that God did destroy the city of Sodom and Gomorrah, which indicates that the sins of this city was indeed great and grievous. It also indicates that this final wicked act by the men of the city caused the Lord to move resolutely to do what He did, since He (the Lord) was on a fact-finding mission.

The kind of destruction visited on Sodom and Gomorrah suggests that God was ‘hot under the collar’, He was very angry. Verse 24 says, “…the Lord rained down burning sulphur on Sodom and Gomorrah”.

Genesis 13:13:
Genesis 18:20:
Genesis 19:13:
Deuteronomy 29:17-26:
Deuteronomy 32:32-38:
Isaiah 1:9-23
Isaiah 3:8-15:
Isaiah 13: 11-19:
Jeremiah 23:10-14:
Jeremiah 49:16-18
Jeremiah 50:2-40
Lamentations 4:3-6:
Ezekiel 16:49-50:
Amos 4:1-11:
Zephaniah 2:8:
Matthew 20:11:
Matthew 11:19-24:
Mark 6:10-11:
Luke 10:10-12:
Luke 17:26-29:
2 Peter 2:6:
Jude 1:7-8
20 Here are all the reference to Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible please point out the reference to homosexuality.
21 here is a good one Jeremiah 23:10-14: For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth...For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD....And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err. I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from h is wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah. (adultery, lying by priests and prophets; nope, no homosexuality in there)


In Leviticus 18:3-5, God said, “…You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the Lord your God. Keep my decrees and laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them.”

What about the rest of the laws in Leviticus?? As CG mentioned who decides which laws to follow and which laws to not follow.
22 Leviticus 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with miggled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee.
23 Deuteronomy 22:11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts. As of woollen and linen together. (cotton/polyester blends)
24 Deuteronomy 22:8 When thou buildest a new house then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence.
25 Does your roof have a railing around it??
What about Leviticus 27:34 “These are the commandments which the Lord commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.”
26 I am not an Israelite and the Bahamas is not mount Sinai.

God saw that His people, Israel, were very easily influenced by the nations around them. Therefore He instituted laws, regulations and instructions that would assist His people in obeying Him and living righteous lives.

The Lord devoted the entire chapter of Leviticus 18 to explaining carefully and succinctly the details of unlawful sexual relations.

Verse 22 of this chapter clearly states, “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.” This law is restated in chapter 20:13 with the addition of the penalty that must follow if the law is contravened. It states, “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”

27 Adulters are to be stoned as well. Woe is me shame and scandal in the family.

From what we have covered thus far, it appears that this is no trivial matter to God. However, we have only drawn reference from the ‘Old Covenant’. What does the ‘New Covenant’ have to say about homosexuality and ‘Same Sex Marriage’?

Christ him self broke the laws of the Old Testament. He harvested food on the Sabbath he healed on the Sabbath. He to should have stoned the women who was accused of adultery it was the laws of the Old Testament.
28 He taught something that most Christians cannot grasp. “He with out sin cast the first stone.”

I commence with this ‘New Covenant’ statement that I believe to be very fundamental to all believers. It is found in Romans 1:16, and it reads, “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes…” “For therein is the righteousness of God revealed…”

At this point, if you are not verifying the scripture reference, I encourage you to get your Bible now and confirm that what is referenced herein is in fact in the Bible. Some of you will be shocked to know that the Bible speaks with clear, plain and direct language. Let’s read.

Romans 1:26 & 27, “…their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”

You don’t need to be a rocket scientist or a PHD scholar to understand or interpret what these verses are saying. The words used here to describe these relations are, shameful lusts, unnatural relations, indecent acts and perversion.

In case I am accused of taking these verses out of context, I invite you to read this entire passage in context so that you can get an appreciation for the mood that one senses from God when this is read.

Romans 1:18-32, “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen."

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossipers, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, and ruthless. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”

Furthermore, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 & 18 says, “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually, sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit…?”

The ‘Judgement’ is clear and plain; Homosexuality and Lesbianism is evil.

29 Your opinion not Christ’s Please state chapter and verse where Christ made referance to homosexuality. So far you have listed Paul’s letters and opinions. I am not a Paulist.
30 As I said before the Bible is a group of writings that were put together and canonized by a Pagan Roman Emperor named Constantine at the Nicene council. There were many writings that were excluded. The writings have to be read with the understanding of their times to understand what the many authors are writing about.

For a nation to sanction this evil is paramount to that nation inviting a curse upon itself. The scripture declares in Leviticus 18:24-26, “Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. But you must keep my decrees and my laws.”

31 Are we Israelites on mount Sinai??

If we care and are concerned for our beloved Bahama land, then we cannot stand by and watch and by default allow our land to become defiled. Righteousness exalts a nation, and sin is a disgrace to any people (Proverbs 14:34). When righteous men remain silent, evil will flourish.
Christ taught do unto other as you would have them do unto you.

32 Would you want someone else’s religious faith forced on you by law??? Would you want to be forced to live by Islam or Budhsism? No! There for you should not force others to live by your religious faith.
33 Whos teachings are more important. Christ (who broke Moses’s Law) or Moses.

It appears that many believers have retreated to those closets that homosexuals and lesbians have boldly stepped out from. The word of God tells us that we have not been given a spirit of fear, but a spirit of power, love and a sound mind. We must boldly regain the territories that we have lost.

Let me help you with next part.

You will be encouraged to know that our constitution supports our position. The Preamble to The Constitution of The Bahamas includes and declares, “Whereas the People of this Family of Islands recognizing that the preservation of their Freedom will be guaranteed by a national commitment to Self-discipline, Industry, Loyalty, Unity and an abiding respect for Christian values and the Rule of Law; We the Inheritors of and Successors to this Family of Islands, recognizing the Supremacy of God and believing in the Fundamental Rights and Freedoms of the Individual, Do Hereby Proclaim in Solemn Praise the Establishment of a Free and Democratic Sovereign Nation founded on Spiritual Values and in which no Man, Woman or Child shall ever be Slave or Bondsman to anyone or their Labour exploited or their Lives frustrated by deprivation, and do Hereby Provide by these Articles for the indivisible Unity and Creation under God of the Commonwealth of The Bahamas.

34 Christian Values; Not Hebrew Law not Paulist Law.
35 Fundamental Rights and Freedoms of the Individual. That it right there rights of the individual not Hebrew or Paulist rights.
36 there is no unity if some people are less equal than others.

Therefore, I call on believers everywhere to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” “Shout it aloud, do not hold back. Raise your voice like a trumpet. Declare to my people their rebellion…”

37 That right shout it loud as Christ taught equal rights for all. You don’t want to be less equal under the law so don’t make others less equal under the law.

The Lord Jesus Christ Himself said, “…I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

Christ also said Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of streets that they may be seen of men Verily I say unto you they have their reward.
But when thou prayest enter into your closet, and thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward you openly.

38 A synagogue is a house of worship. Do you Wendell stand in a house of worship and pray????

By Wendell F. Lewis, © 2004

Pastor of ‘Judah Worship Center’ (JWC)
P.O. Box SB 50634,
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same sex marriage is wrong,if God say it is who am i to say it isn't.
the problem with same sex marriage is that no reproduction can take place.
between two person of the same sex.we are suppose to be the smart one's.
but look at nature and see if two male dog or fermale dog do the things we human are trying to do to one another.i agree with your view Mr Wendell Lewis as a believer in God almighty we cannot allowed our law to change just so a few people can have their own way our nation will pay if we don't stand up for what is right.GOD WAY FOR MAN IS THE BEST WAY,ONE MAN FOR ONE WOMAN.Richard Campbell

I am lost here Richard Campbell did you make a mistake and click something wrong or did you forget to type something??

my opinion on this issue is simply stating that same sex marriages according to the king james version of the HOLY BIBLE is that it is wrong and according to the scriptures in Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." and if you don't understand what that mean it simply says that a man should not lie or have sexual relations with a man like he do with a women...need no more to say...

my opinion on this issue is simply stating that same sex marriages according to the king james version of the HOLY BIBLE is that it is wrong and according to the scriptures in Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." and if you don't understand what that mean it simply says that a man should not lie or have sexual relations with a man like he do with a women...need no more to say...

Hi Brilandgurl
How about
Leviticus 11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas and in the rivers of all that move in the waters and of any living thing which is in the waters they shall be an abomination unto you.
Leviticus 25:44 Both thy bondmen and bondmaids which thou shalt have shall be of the heathen that are around you: Of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids "king james version"


Hmmm conch crawfish turtle shrimp crab just to name a few.
If to buy and own slaves is ok in Leviticus why is it illegal in the Bahamas.
What was a heathen back then any one who was not a Jew. Christians are not Jews!!
Do you live by all the laws of the Old Testament????

Yep Vicky though I was finish with this but had to answer these questions you post for Wendell the following is my take on this issue.

1 Wrong here Wendell Gays and Lesbians don’t (let me repeat it again) don’t care about “Holy Matrimony” they feel if the Christians want to keep it in your churches please do so. Keep it there please and leave them alone. Gays and lesbians are just as happy to keep it out of church because that is your and other Christian’s special interest. So please keep it there. Your interpretations of your faith are just that your interpretations and your faith, Its not mine or the gays and lesbians I know. Christian belief and human rights are different things. Thus gays and lesbians should be allowed to be united under civil law.

You are wrong Vicky, from what I have seen on the news, gays and lesbians are fighting there cities constitution and marriage laws. In fact in some parts in the United States they have gone so far as to question the intent of these laws at the Supreme Court level. There is no question that there first option is marriage only settling for some kind of unions if they can’t get marriage.
2 Have a question no religious leader wants to answer but may be you could please. Why did Christians kill hundreds of thousands of men women and children in the name of Christ? Many killed for simply being left-handed or because they could make medicine from herbs. They would be tortured and then most of the time burned alive.

Not relevant to the question. Understand that not all persons who say they are Christians are Christians. We are told by scriptures that Jesus said that not all who say lord, lord are of his but in the last day those who are real should be revealed. So persons may have killed in the name of Christ or Christianity that does not mean that Christ condone or sanction that kind of behavior and it don’t justifies homosexual marriage in any form. Two wrong don’t make a right.

3 Please note you second word “believe” Believe dose not make it a fact. How many people believed the world was flat and if you sailed out to far you would fall off???

I am Sorry Vicky but according to our faith as Christian belief is why we discuss what Christ did and continue to do, if we don’t believe this then our faith is dead and Christ did not die for our sin. So believing that the world was once flat to find out that it was round does not weaken our faith that Christ is and that the bible is the undisputable word of God.
4 The Bible reads Genesis 1: 31 “And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. “
Chapter 2: 1“Thus the heavens and the earth were finished and all the host of them.
The Creator said it was good.

If you had understand what the brother showed you in his writing you would have noted that all was changed after Adam and Eve disobeyed GOD. Yes God did call all Good, but note he still threw both Adam and Eve out of the Garden, indicating that all did not remain good. This showed you that God wanted noting to do with evil even if it meant destroying what he had intended for Good. The Very Good mentioned after the sixth day does not mean that things to come would be very good, rather it meant that God was satisfied with what he had produce. This is similar to an artist or carpenter standing back and admiring his work.

5. male and female he created them. Why does it not read 1 male and 1 female he created them??

Not relevant; does not support neither denies the posting. The fact that can not be question is that when he made women he gave her to the man not another woman or a man to another man.

6 Genesis 4:16-17 “And Cain went out form the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden and Cain knew his wife and she conceived and bare Enoch and he builded a city and called the name of the city after his son Enoch”

Once again no relevance to the posting; if any thing it only supports the argument that marriage was ordain for a man and woman because if they had subscribe to the desires of some today they would not have been able to conceived children in those days.

7 What did Enoch find for a wife?

Not relevant see the answer for 6. Enoch found a wife not a husband.

8 What inhabited the city?
Monkey's????

Not relevant once again, but you should make note that men had no time limit on life in those days, so we are talking about men who may have lived for hundreds of years, can you imagine the amount of children they could have gotten, I think enough to create an entire city. Thanks to normal sexual practices that can bring forth life.

9 Or were there other humans?

See the answer to 8.

10 Where did they come from??
Matthew 19:12 “For there are some eunuchs which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there are eunuchs which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it let him receive it.”

I think you are asking two questions here the first one was already answered; they were born from a heterosexual relationship.
The Second question God created all mankind those who are born with cancer, deformities, and diseases, however you would note that in the beginning it was not his intent for man to live in this state, but as for those who are born in this state it goes back to the disobedience of Adam and Eve. Christ who the bible refers to as the second Adam gave us a new opportunity to correct these condition in a place that we can live eternally and never have to worry about sickness or diseases. Not because some one is born in a condition means that GOD love them any less. When Jesus was confronted with this question by the disciples when a man was brought for healing, Jesus told them that neither this man or his parents’ sins had made him so but rather he was created so for the Glory of GOD. This simply mean that he was created thus so that he may be healed in the presence of others and GOD can get glory from his healing. Can you imagine what a testimony of Christ that man would have given after being healed?

11 Who created the born eunuch if only male and female were created??

Eunuchs in the bible reference refer to Men who were unable to have children. This is a result as it is today because of birth defects due to disease, medication, or surgical procedure. Then there are those who chose like the Catholic priest to become Eunuchs because of there conviction or Religion. Finally there are those who were made eunuchs because they were castrated by others.

12 Woe is me shame and scandal in the family. What about adultery? How many women that have been divorced that have been remarried in “Holy Matrimony” in Christian Churches. Mark 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband and be married to another, she committeth adultery. (I don’t mean to be picking on women here Its a Bible reference.)

I am not attempting to justify divorce but you should read Matthew 5:32, Jesus said here that who so ever put away his wife, except for fornication, causeth her to commit adultery if she marries again. So Jesus made room for divorce and remarriage but only under the circumstances of unfaithfulness in marriage. I am glad that you saw here that Jesus in this context was talking about marriage between a man and a woman, for this reason he says a man shall leave his mother and father and cleave to his wife and they shall be come one flesh. Understand that God made man and woman so unique they are able to become one flesh and out of that one flesh comes other flesh, woman and woman can’t do this neither can man and man.

13 Since when does “that we may know them” equal homosexual love?

When God would destroy an entire nation for it; It is no question that to know was met sexual desires but in the event you are referring to it met to have sex with the angels, because not only was the men strike blind the entire city that practice this act was destroyed.

14 The angels did not want to have sex with the men. Thus not consenting adults.

God condemns this act whether it is done with consenting adults or not. I can never justify adultery because I did it with a consenting female, it is still wrong in the eyes of God. If God wanted homosexuality to be practice by consulting adults he would have made provisions in the scriptures for man to marry man and likewise woman to marry woman, since there is no such direction given there is no need to assume that it is lawful by the word of GOD.

15 Lets say the men of Sodom wanted to rape the angels. Rape is not consentual sex it is an act of violence. Ask anyone who has been raped and see if it was cousentual sex.

Neither is sex outside of marriage. I think the writer of the Sodom story wanted us to see the kind of sin and nature of the men of that city having desires to go with other men, not the fact that they would rape or have unconsensual sex. See the answer above.

16 So please explain how Genesis 19:5 “that we may know them” equals homosexual love??

Genesis 19:8,”Behold now I have two daughters which have not known man; let me I pray you bring them out unto you and you do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.”

The act that these men wanted to perform was so vile and disgusting until Lott was willing to offer his daughters instead.

17 Is this how God wants us to protect ourselves from the homosexuals by offering to let them rape our virgin daughters?

The answer to this follows in the proceeding scriptures with God’s response that leaves the men blind.

18 The story is found in Judges 19:14-28. (to long to wirte word for word) It bears a striking resemblance to the Sodom story -- a traveler arrives at the city (in this case, Gilbeah).

By using to Know again from this scripture just proves that it means to have sex. Why else would this man offer his concubine? No further explanation needed.

19 If Lot and this old man knew they mobs where male homosexual what would be the point of offering females to them?

Lot and the man you mention in the other story knew that these men wanted sex from there desire “to know”, so they attempted to offer them something that is more natural.

20 Here are all the reference to Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible please point out the reference to homosexuality.

No time to go through them all do that for you in a later writing. But it is amazing don’t you think that there are so much reference to this one event, could it be that the message here is to warn other nations against the path that Sodom took?

21 here is a good one Jeremiah 23:10-14: For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth...For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD....And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err. I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from h is wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah. (adultery, lying by priests and prophets; nope, no homosexuality in there)

No but there is neither no destruction of the city either. So may be the extra thing called homosexuality it the tip of the iceberg that brings the wrath of GOD? Hmmm.

Leviticus 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with miggled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee.
23 Deuteronomy 22:11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts. As of woollen and linen together. (cotton/polyester blends)
24 Deuteronomy 22:8 When thou buildest a new house then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence.
25 Does your roof have a railing around it??
What about Leviticus 27:34 “These are the commandments which the Lord commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.”

What was the penalty for doing these things was it death as it was with homosexuality. Where they called abomination? I don't think so.

26 I am not an Israelite and the Bahamas is not Mount Sinai.

You surly are not and the Bahamas surely is not, but you are a human and as such are still subject to the will of GOD and you would have to meet him for yourself one day.

27 Adulteress are to be stoned as well. Woe is me shame and scandal in the family. Christ him self broke the laws of the Old Testament. He harvested food on the Sabbath he healed on the Sabbath. He to should have stoned the women who was accused of adultery it was the laws of the Old Testament.

Jesus answer this in the gospel, condemning the sin but allowing the woman to live, but not without the command that she sin no more, for although she was release from the punishment ordered in the old testament if she go and continue in her sins she would surely be sentence to eternal death not by the hands of men but by GOD himself. Therefore, not because the punishment is not practice to day means it takes away the condemnation of sin. Understand there is a difference between law and punishment. Punishment is just the deterrent to back or enforce the law; failure to carry out the punishment is not a breaking of the law.

28 He taught something that most Christians cannot grasp. “He with out sin cast the first stone.

See my answer above; If we so called Christians failed to point out sins and keep things like homosexuality to the nation as a sin how would such persons no that what they are doing is a sin, then how can Christ forgive them and asked them to sin no more, as his word surely does today. NO we are not looking to stone sinners no more, because we live under grace not law (but this is another topic for another time).

29 Your opinion not Christ’s Please state chapter and verse where Christ made referance to homosexuality. So far you have listed Paul’s letters and opinions. I am not a Paulist.
30 As I said before the Bible is a group of writings that were put together and canonized by a Pagan Roman Emperor named Constantine at the Nicene council. There were many writings that were excluded. The writings have to be read with the understanding of their times to understand what the many authors are writing about.

I have answered this in another posting; I note that you are willing to take away the writings of Paul because it is comes across very strongly against the practice of homosexuality. If Paul was silent on this matter you would have no problem with him. Jesus did not mention the word homosexuality, but he condemned adultery. Adultery could only be done by one having sex outside of marriage, since all of his reference to marriage was between a man and a woman, husband and wife, we have no doubt where he stands on the issue of homosexuality that was never given the legitimacy of marriage by him or any other writer in the scriptures.

31 Are we Israelites on mount Sinai??

See my answer to question number 26.

32 Would you want someone else’s religious faith forced on you by law??? Would you want to be forced to live by Islam or Budhsism? No! There for you should not force others to live by your religious faith.

The argument against same sex marriage goes beyond religion it hits at the very core of our existence as the dominant species on the earth. Same sex marriage or unions can not produced life and brings us beneath the animals. There are natural laws and man made laws some given in scriptures and others man have made but all of them understand the sanctity of life. The one you wish to give however can neither bring life nor give to the human race purity or morality.

33 Whos teachings are more important. Christ (who broke Moses’s Law) or Moses.

Not relevant; how ever they were both for the time that they were given and to whom they were given. Moses's teaching was to built a lawful nation that was chosen of God to bring forth his son, Christ teachings was to bring forth a people called out among the world to reign with him forever in a new heaven and new earth. If the Israelites were not brought forth as a people who were discipline by the laws given to Moses Christ would not have been born a Jew. This goes back to the fact that Law came under Moses and Grace came under Christ. Simply put Law under Moses required the Jews to do something like offering gifts of sacrifice to be saved, but grace under Christ man need not do any thing or give any gift of sacrifice because Christ has given it all through his death, all man need do is believe.

34 Christian Values; Not Hebrew Law not Paulist Law.
35 Fundamental Rights and Freedoms of the Individual. That it right there rights of the individual not Hebrew or Paulist rights.
36 there is no unity if some people are less equal than others.

We are not made equal by our sexual orientation. I am a heterosexual and I see nothing in the constitution that makes me more equal than a homosexual. We are equal because we are humans. The constitution gives both of us the same freedoms. The freedom of an individual is only taken away by the constitution when he breaks a law or when he infringes on the right of someone else.

37 That right shout it loud as Christ taught equal rights for all. You don’t want to be less equal under the law so don’t make others less equal under the law.

No relevance.

From What I Gather, Everyone Is Using The Bible To Show Why Its Wrong And Others To Fine Some Right In It Or To Prove How Much They Think They Know About The Bible...... Whatever!!!!!!

I Like To Keep It Simple!

Vicki, You Seem Like U Have Done Some Reading About This Matter But Let Me Twist It A Little. Is There Anywhere In The Bible That Say Anything Remotely About God Blessing Any Other Union Other Than That Of A Man And A Woman?

Even From The Beginning, He Made Man And From Man He Made Woman.

When He Made The Animals He Made A Male And A Female

The First Distruction Of The World, They Saved A Male And A Female Of Every Kind Of Animal, Not Because Of Coincidence.

This Is Natural,its Apart Of His Plan, It Was Ment To Be.

Imagine If He Had Made Adam And Steve Or Jill And Jane, There Would Not Have Been A Human Race Today, We All Know Why!

Now, If U Say That Look, I Know This Is Unnatural Or Wrong But So Are All The Other Sins......no Argument Here


Everyone Have Sinned And Fall Short But Stop Trying To Make An Excuse For It.

If Its Wrong Its Wrong, To My Knowledge God Did Change His Mind!

To Wendall Lewis and other anti-gay marriage people:

Opinions are only a sum total of what people have been taught. Most of the opinions here reflect the Bahamian society. But are most of the opinions here the correct opinions or just opinions? Most Canadians agree with same-sex marriage based on a recent government survey there. Are Canadian opinions wrong and Bahamian opinions right or are they all just opinions?

This debate is healthy so none of you should be “knocking down” others who are more liberal-minded. If you know anything about world history, you would also know that traditionalists take longer to accept change.

The majority of European Union countries already allow civil unions. Check it online for yourself. And based on the time that they have had “gay marriages” in Holland the society has not become corrupt, as some people ridiculously charge. Crime in general is less per capita in Holland than the Bahamas or the United States. Teen pregnancy is less in Holland than in the Bahamas or the United States. AIDS per capita is far less in Holland than the Bahamas. The United States is a far more violent country and have far more gun-related crimes than Holland. These are all FACTS. So where is your
empirical evidence to suggest that gay marriages corrupts a country.

Also, none of you have any moral authority to tell others how to live. Our constitution says there is a fundamental right and freedom of the individual, and that all Bahamians should be free from injustice and discrimination.

The Constitution also allows for freedom of religion and freedom from religion. That is the beauty of a democracy that thousands of people in many other countries have fought and have died for. Are we now trying to destroy that democracy here in the Bahamas and make our country an equal rights for heterosexual only society?

Why don’t you guys stop lashing out at gay people as if you all are perfect heterosexuals. By denying a group of human beings their rights, you are in essence denying yourselves these rights as other human beings. Which group will be your next target? You do not seem to be any different than the people who crucified Jesus, a man who was different and hard to understand in that era.

Remember witches, they were seen as different and hard to understand and killed by Christians; then black people were seen as different, hard to understand and killed. More recently Jews were seen as different and hard to understand and killed. Now gay people are seen as different and hard to understand and still killed today in many countries in Africa, the Middle East and Jamaica.

My hope is that someday all people would be treated as human beings. Perhaps that is too much to hope for in this era.

Justice

To Wendall Lewis and other anti-gay marriage people:

Opinions are only a sum total of what people have been taught. Most of the opinions here reflect the Bahamian society. But are most of the opinions here the correct opinions or just opinions? Most Canadians agree with same-sex marriage based on a recent government survey there. Are Canadian opinions wrong and Bahamian opinions right or are they all just opinions?

This debate is healthy so none of you should be “knocking down” others who are more liberal-minded. If you know anything about world history, you would also know that traditionalists take longer to accept change.

The majority of European Union countries already allow civil unions. Check it online for yourself. And based on the time that they have had “gay marriages” in Holland the society has not become corrupt, as some people ridiculously charge. Crime in general is less per capita in Holland than the Bahamas or the United States. Teen pregnancy is less in Holland than in the Bahamas or the United States. AIDS per capita is far less in Holland than the Bahamas. The United States is a far more violent country and have far more gun-related crimes than Holland. These are all FACTS. So where is your
empirical evidence to suggest that gay marriages corrupts a country.

Also, none of you have any moral authority to tell others how to live. Our constitution says there is a fundamental right and freedom of the individual, and that all Bahamians should be free from injustice and discrimination.

The Constitution also allows for freedom of religion and freedom from religion. That is the beauty of a democracy that thousands of people in many other countries have fought and have died for. Are we now trying to destroy that democracy here in the Bahamas and make our country an equal rights for heterosexual only society?

Why don’t you guys stop lashing out at gay people as if you all are perfect heterosexuals. By denying a group of human beings their rights, you are in essence denying yourselves these rights as other human beings. Which group will be your next target? You do not seem to be any different than the people who crucified Jesus, a man who was different and hard to understand in that era.

Remember witches, they were seen as different and hard to understand and killed by Christians; then black people were seen as different, hard to understand and killed. More recently Jews were seen as different and hard to understand and killed. Now gay people are seen as different and hard to understand and still killed today in many countries in Africa, the Middle East and Jamaica.

My hope is that someday all people would be treated as human beings. Perhaps that is too much to hope for in this era.

Justice

Good stuff, Justice.
When we all can think like you, the world will be a better place.

[QUOTE=bb359]Yep Vicky though I was finish with this but had to answer these questions you post for Wendell the following is my take on this issue.

1 Wrong here Wendell Gays and Lesbians don’t (let me repeat it again) don’t care about “Holy Matrimony” they feel if the Christians want to keep it in your churches please do so. Keep it there please and leave them alone. Gays and lesbians are just as happy to keep it out of church because that is your and other Christian’s special interest. So please keep it there. Your interpretations of your faith are just that your interpretations and your faith, Its not mine or the gays and lesbians I know. Christian belief and human rights are different things. Thus gays and lesbians should be allowed to be united under civil law.

You are wrong Vicky, from what I have seen on the news, gays and lesbians are fighting there cities constitution and marriage laws. In fact in some parts in the United States they have gone so far as to question the intent of these laws at the Supreme Court level. There is no question that there first option is marriage only settling for some kind of unions if they can’t get marriage.

No bb359 the gays and lesbians I know don't care if they go to a church or not to get the same legal rights as heterosexual married couples. The news puts on news; news that sells news that will keep the advertising money coming in. Yeah you might have 1 or 2 gay and lesbians looking for a church wedding but most don't care. They just want civil union because they respect the rights of Christians to have their churches their way. The Gay and lesbians say keep you Holy Matrimony yes keep it to your selves and in your churches

2 Have a question no religious leader wants to answer but may be you could please. Why did Christians kill hundreds of thousands of men women and children in the name of Christ? Many killed for simply being left-handed or because they could make medicine from herbs. They would be tortured and then most of the time burned alive.

Not relevant to the question. Understand that not all persons who say they are Christians are Christians. We are told by scriptures that Jesus said that not all who say lord, lord are of his but in the last day those who are real should be revealed. So persons may have killed in the name of Christ or Christianity that does not mean that Christ condone or sanction that kind of behavior and it don’t justifies homosexual marriage in any form. Two wrong don’t make a right.

Is Pope Innocent 8th Christian enough.
http://www.macha.free-online.co.uk/7day-extracts/malleus-malificorum.html
The point is Christians make mistakes. Even the Pope makes mistakes. Will you make laws just because these men say so because of their interpretation?nt is Christians make mistakes. Even the Pope makes mistakes will you make laws just because these men say so because of their interpratation.

3 Please note you second word “believe” Believe dose not make it a fact. How many people believed the world was flat and if you sailed out to far you would fall off???

I am Sorry Vicky but according to our faith as Christian belief is why we discuss what Christ did and continue to do, if we don’t believe this then our faith is dead and Christ did not die for our sin. So believing that the world was once flat to find out that it was round does not weaken our faith that Christ is and that the bible is the undisputable word of God.

Fact no matter how much or how many believe something it does not make it fact. Sorry believing can never equal fact.....

4 The Bible reads Genesis 1: 31 “And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. “
Chapter 2: 1“Thus the heavens and the earth were finished and all the host of them.
The Creator said it was good.

If you had understand what the brother showed you in his writing you would have noted that all was changed after Adam and Eve disobeyed GOD. Yes God did call all Good, but note he still threw both Adam and Eve out of the Garden, indicating that all did not remain good. This showed you that God wanted noting to do with evil even if it meant destroying what he had intended for Good. The Very Good mentioned after the sixth day does not mean that things to come would be very good, rather it meant that God was satisfied with what he had produce. This is similar to an artist or carpenter standing back and admiring his work.

Is the Creator all knowing and all powerful. Does the Creator know past present and future????

5. male and female he created them. Why does it not read 1 male and 1 female he created them??

Not relevant; does not support neither denies the posting. The fact that can not be question is that when he made women he gave her to the man not another woman or a man to another man.

This is what it says in the creation story. Please note "story" see question 6.

6 Genesis 4:16-17 “And Cain went out form the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden and Cain knew his wife and she conceived and bare Enoch and he builded a city and called the name of the city after his son Enoch”

Once again no relevance to the posting; if any thing it only supports the argument that marriage was ordain for a man and woman because if they had subscribe to the desires of some today they would not have been able to conceived children in those days.

Sorry the point is there were other humans besides Adam and Eve?
How can the only man and woman have 2 sons 1 is killed the other runs away and finds a wife. Duh where did she come from? That is the relevance. The creation story is just that. What about the dinosaurs they roamed the earth millions of years before man?


7 What did Enoch find for a wife?

Not relevant see the answer for 6. Enoch found a wife not a husband.

see above

8 What inhabited the city?
Monkey's????

Not relevant once again, but you should make note that men had no time limit on life in those days, so we are talking about men who may have lived for hundreds of years, can you imagine the amount of children they could have gotten, I think enough to create an entire city. Thanks to normal sexual practices that can bring forth life.

Again this is only something you beleive I say give us fact. Oh and the Bible is not fact it is faith so it does not count.

9 Or were there other humans?

See the answer to 8.

10 Where did they come from??
Matthew 19:12 “For there are some eunuchs which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there are eunuchs which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it let him receive it.”

I think you are asking two questions here the first one was already answered; they were born from a heterosexual relationship.
The Second question God created all mankind those who are born with cancer, deformities, and diseases, however you would note that in the beginning it was not his intent for man to live in this state, but as for those who are born in this state it goes back to the disobedience of Adam and Eve. Christ who the bible refers to as the second Adam gave us a new opportunity to correct these condition in a place that we can live eternally and never have to worry about sickness or diseases. Not because some one is born in a condition means that GOD love them any less. When Jesus was confronted with this question by the disciples when a man was brought for healing, Jesus told them that neither this man or his parents’ sins had made him so but rather he was created so for the Glory of GOD. This simply mean that he was created thus so that he may be healed in the presence of others and GOD can get glory from his healing. Can you imagine what a testimony of Christ that man would have given after being healed?



11 Who created the born eunuch if only male and female were created??

Eunuchs in the bible reference refer to Men who were unable to have children. This is a result as it is today because of birth defects due to disease, medication, or surgical procedure. Then there are those who chose like the Catholic priest to become Eunuchs because of there conviction or Religion. Finally there are those who were made eunuchs because they were castrated by others.

Sorry not so eunuch refers to a person known as a hermaphrodite from the Greek goddess hermorphrodita. A person with ambiguous sex. This person can have what looks like a penis and a virgina at the same time and many venations. There are humans that are born with male and or female sex but the gender identity in the brain is the opposite. The same effect that does not veralize the sex affects the brain. It can also affect the brain only. Result gender dysphoria. (What I am) Ask your Dr. about it.

12 Woe is me shame and scandal in the family. What about adultery? How many women that have been divorced that have been remarried in “Holy Matrimony” in Christian Churches. Mark 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband and be married to another, she committeth adultery. (I don’t mean to be picking on women here Its a Bible reference.)

I am not attempting to justify divorce but you should read Matthew 5:32, Jesus said here that who so ever put away his wife, except for fornication, causeth her to commit adultery if she marries again. So Jesus made room for divorce and remarriage but only under the circumstances of unfaithfulness in marriage. I am glad that you saw here that Jesus in this context was talking about marriage between a man and a woman, for this reason he says a man shall leave his mother and father and cleave to his wife and they shall be come one flesh. Understand that God made man and woman so unique they are able to become one flesh and out of that one flesh comes other flesh, woman and woman can’t do this neither can man and man.

As I said keep your word marriage gays and lesbians are looking for the same legal rights as marraige. I don't think it far that 2 people (don't care what sex they are) live together for years and they are denied access to their partner when the other is sick. Wrong wrong wrong period wrong!

13 Since when does “that we may know them” equal homosexual love?

When God would destroy an entire nation for it; It is no question that to know was met sexual desires but in the event you are referring to it met to have sex with the angels, because not only was the men strike blind the entire city that practice this act was destroyed.

this to know comes from the Hebrew word Yadha. So 943 time in the Bible yadha means to get aquantied and this 1 time it means homosexual love. Sorry just can't happen that just streching it to far. I say it means what it says to know.

14 The angels did not want to have sex with the men. Thus not consenting adults.

God condemns this act whether it is done with consenting adults or not. (That is your beleif not fact) I can never justify adultery because I did it with a consenting female, it is still wrong in the eyes of God. If God wanted homosexuality to be practice by consulting adults he would have made provisions in the scriptures for man to marry man and likewise woman to marry woman, since there is no such direction given there is no need to assume that it is lawful by the word of GOD.

If you belive the Bible is the only communacation the Creator gave to human kind. I do not. Again I say the Bible is faith not fact.

15 Lets say the men of Sodom wanted to rape the angels. Rape is not consentual sex it is an act of violence. Ask anyone who has been raped and see if it was cousentual sex.

Neither is sex outside of marriage. I think the writer of the Sodom story wanted us to see the kind of sin and nature of the men of that city having desires to go with other men, not the fact that they would rape or have unconsensual sex. See the answer above.

Violence is violence the people of Sodom were a mean and cruel people. They respected no one. Rape is not sexual desire its power violent power over another.

16 So please explain how Genesis 19:5 “that we may know them” equals homosexual love??

Genesis 19:8,”Behold now I have two daughters which have not known man; let me I pray you bring them out unto you and you do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.”

The act that these men wanted to perform was so vile and disgusting until Lott was willing to offer his daughters instead.

Sorry Lot knew the people of Sodom were a violent mean and cruel people. Lot knew that if he put theses men his guests that snuck into the city. The men of Sodom would do harm to them. Now here you must understand Middle Eastern custom. Once a person enters you home as a guest you must protect them even if it means your death to do so. Example If President Bush went into Ben Laden house as a guest he would not be harmed. All Bush would have to do is walk in and say I am your guest and he is safe. How ever Bush would have to follow all the rules of the house. Bin Laden would not want a curse of death on his house. I know this for a fact my Grandfather Parents were born and lived in Lebanon in the town of Rash ayah until they migrated to Canada. I still practice this custom to this day.

17 Is this how God wants us to protect ourselves from the homosexuals by offering to let them rape our virgin daughters?

The answer to this follows in the proceeding scriptures with God’s response that leaves the men blind.

Not revalent make no referance to homosexuality.

18 The story is found in Judges 19:14-28. (to long to wirte word for word) It bears a striking resemblance to the Sodom story -- a traveler arrives at the city (in this case, Gilbeah).

By using to Know again from this scripture just proves that it means to have sex. Why else would this man offer his concubine? No further explanation needed.

Sorry it does not prove they wanted consensual sex. Because if so Lot and this other old man would not fear the people out side. All that had to be said is no and the crowed would have walked away. If a group of men gang rape a woman is it consensual after she says no?? If a group of men gang rape a man is it consensual after he says no??


19 If Lot and this old man knew they mobs where male homosexual what would be the point of offering females to them?

Lot and the man you mention in the other story knew that these men wanted sex from there desire “to know”, so they attempted to offer them something that is more natural.

But the men still raped the concubine and killed her. Was that consent??
I will just remind you 943 time not meaning sex in the Bible and once it does???

20 Here are all the reference to Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible please point out the reference to homosexuality.

No time to go through them all do that for you in a later writing. But it is amazing don’t you think that there are so much reference to this one event, could it be that the message here is to warn other nations against the path that Sodom took?

Here let me help you.
Genesis 13:13: But the men of Sodom [were] wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly. (Nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)

Genesis 18:20: And the LORD said, because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous. (Nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)

Genesis 19:13: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD. (Nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)

Deuteronomy 29:17-26: And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which [were] among them:...[And that] the whole land thereof [is] brimstone, and salt, [and] burning...like the overthrow of Sodom...which the LORD overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath...Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this land? What [meant] the heat of this great anger? Then men shall say, because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD God of their fathers...For
They went and served other gods, and worshipped them, gods whom they knew not, and [whom] he had not given unto them:
(Just idolatry and false gods; nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)

Deuteronomy 32:32-38: For their vine [is] of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes [are] grapes of gall, their clusters [are] bitter...And he shall say, Where [are] their gods, [their] rock in whom they trusted, Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, [and] drank the wine of their drink offerings? Let them rise up and help you, [and] be your protection.
(Idolatry again; nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)

Isaiah 1:9-23: Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, [and] we should have been like unto Gomorrah. Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.... How is the faithful city become a harlot! It was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers. Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water: Thy princes [are] rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them. (hmmm...murder, greed, thievery, rebelliousness, covetness; nope, no homosexuality there)

Isaiah 3:8-15: For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen: because their tongue and their doings [are] against the LORD, to provoke the eyes of his glory. The show of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide [it] not. Woe unto their soul! For they have rewarded evil unto themselves. For ye have eaten up the vineyard; the spoil
Of the poor [is] in your houses. What mean ye [that] ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor?
(Mistreating the poor; nope, no homosexuality mentioned there)

Isaiah 13: 11-19: And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.... And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' Excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. (Haughtiness, yes, but no homosexuality.)

Jeremiah 23:10-14: For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth...For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD.... And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err. I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem a horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from h is wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah. (Adultery, lying by priests and prophets; nope, no homosexuality in there)

Jeremiah 49:16-18: Thy terribleness hath deceived thee, [and] the pride of thine heart...Also Edom shall be a desolation: every one that goeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss at all the plagues thereof. As in the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Evil and pride, but still no homosexuality)

Jeremiah 50:2-40: Declare ye among the nations...say, Babylon is taken, Bal is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces.... thou hast striven against the LORD...for she hath been proud against the LORD...As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbor [cities] thereof, saith the LORD; [so] shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein. (There’s that idolatry and pride again, but still no homosexuality)

Lamentations 4:3-6: ...the daughter of my people [is become] cruel, like the ostriches in the wilderness. The tongue of the sucking child cleaveth to the roof of his mouth for thirst: the young children ask bread, [and] no man breaketh [it] unto them. They that did feed delicately are desolate in the streets: they that were brought up in scarlet embrace dunghills. For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was over thrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her. (Cruelty, failure to tend the young and the poor, but still no homosexuality)

Ezekiel 16:49-50: Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw [good]. (Well that’s pretty clear, huh? But what are we missing in that list? Oh yeah...homosexuality)

Amos 4:1-11: Hear this word, ye kin of Bashan, that [are] in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink. I have overthrown [some] of you, as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and ye were as a firebrand plucked out of the burning: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD. (Oppression, mistreating the needy...still no homosexuality)

Zephaniah 2:8: I have heard the reproach of Moab, and the revilings of the children of Ammon, whereby they have reproached my people, and magnified [themselves] against their border. Therefore [as] I live, saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, Surely Moab shall be as Sodom, and the children of Ammon as Gomorrah...This shall they have for their pride, because they have reproached and magnified [themselves] against the people of the LORD of hosts. (There’s that pride again, and the intimation of inhospitality, but still no homosexuality)

Well, so much for the Old Testament's linkage of Sodom with homosexuality. Maybe the fundamentalists were referring to something in the New Testament? Let's see...

Matthew 20:11: And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. And when ye come into a house, salute it.... And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.... Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Day of Judgment, than for that city. (Jesus said these words; they draw a comparison to inhospitality, but there's still no homosexuality there)

Matthew 11:19-24: The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners.... Then began [Jesus] to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not. Woe unto thee, Chorazin! Woe unto thee, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.... And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been
Done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.... But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the Day of Judgment, than for thee. (They ridiculed Jesus and treated him with utmost inhospitality, refusing to repent...but still no mention of homosexuality)

Mark 6:10-11: And he said unto them, In what place so ever ye enter into an house, there abide till ye depart from that place. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the Day of Judgment, than for that city. (Another repetition of the instruction against inhospitality, but still no mention of homosexuality)

Luke 10:10-12: But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say. Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. (There's that inhospitality reference again, but still no homosexuality mentioned)

Luke 17:26-29: And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] al l. (still no mention of homosexuality)

2 Peter 2:6: And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly. (Ungodly? Is that idolatry again? It sure isn't homosexuality)

Jude 1:7-8: Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. (Awww...this one comes SO close, but no cigar; the Greek word translated here as "fornication" is "porneia" and had a distinctly heterosexual con notation; and the "strange flesh" was a reference to angels or "sons of God" that WOMEN had sex with [see Genesis 6:1-4] according
To Jewish tradition; still no mention of homosexuality)


Well, except for a brief mention of Sodom in Revelations (where there is no reference to the city's supposed sins), I'm afraid we've covered them all. Now it's up to the fundamentalists. Surely they should have no difficulty pointing out ALL the verses in the Bible that refer to the sin of Sodom being that of homosexuality.
Here is a question how come all these referance do not make any referance to homosexuality but to know does?

21 here is a good one Jeremiah 23:10-14: For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth...For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD....And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err. I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from h is wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah. (adultery, lying by priests and prophets; nope, no homosexuality in there)

No but there is neither no destruction of the city either. So may be the extra thing called homosexuality it the tip of the iceberg that brings the wrath of GOD? Hmmm.

You assume this I do not. this is a referance to the history of Sodom and some of what the people did.

Leviticus 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with miggled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee.
23 Deuteronomy 22:11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts. As of woollen and linen together. (cotton/polyester blends)
24 Deuteronomy 22:8 When thou buildest a new house then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence.
25 Does your roof have a railing around it??
What about Leviticus 27:34 “These are the commandments which the Lord commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.”

What was the penalty for doing these things was it death as it was with homosexuality. Where they called abomination? I don't think so.

Lev. 11:10 shell fish is an abomination There is another abomination to do with weights and honesty do have time to look it up for you.

26 I am not an Israelite and the Bahamas is not Mount Sinai.

You surly are not and the Bahamas surely is not, but you are a human and as such are still subject to the will of GOD and you would have to meet him for yourself one day.

Hmm prove it with fact not beleif.

27 Adulteress are to be stoned as well. Woe is me shame and scandal in the family. Christ him self broke the laws of the Old Testament. He harvested food on the Sabbath he healed on the Sabbath. He to should have stoned the women who was accused of adultery it was the laws of the Old Testament.

Jesus answer this in the gospel, condemning the sin but allowing the woman to live, but not without the command that she sin no more, for although she was release from the punishment ordered in the old testament if she go and continue in her sins she would surely be sentence to eternal death not by the hands of men but by GOD himself. Therefore, not because the punishment is not practice to day means it takes away the condemnation of sin. Understand there is a difference between law and punishment. Punishment is just the deterrent to back or enforce the law; failure to carry out the punishment is not a breaking of the law.

Thats right go and sin no more because I might not be here next time to stop these holier than thou idiots.

28 He taught something that most Christians cannot grasp. “He with out sin cast the first stone.

See my answer above; If we so called Christians failed to point out sins and keep things like homosexuality to the nation as a sin how would such persons no that what they are doing is a sin, then how can Christ forgive them and asked them to sin no more, as his word surely does today. NO we are not looking to stone sinners no more, because we live under grace not law (but this is another topic for another time).

But it is law under the constitution is not grace. I say by all means point out what you feel is sin but then shut up and leave people alone. What is sin in your faith is not sin in someone else.

29 Your opinion not Christ’s Please state chapter and verse where Christ made referance to homosexuality. So far you have listed Paul’s letters and opinions. I am not a Paulist.

30 As I said before the Bible is a group of writings that were put together and canonized by a Pagan Roman Emperor named Constantine at the Nicene council. There were many writings that were excluded. The writings have to be read with the understanding of their times to understand what the many authors are writing about.

I have answered this in another posting; I note that you are willing to take away the writings of Paul because it is comes across very strongly against the practice of homosexuality. If Paul was silent on this matter you would have no problem with him. Jesus did not mention the word homosexuality, but he condemned adultery. Adultery could only be done by one having sex outside of marriage, since all of his reference to marriage was between a man and a woman, husband and wife, we have no doubt where he stands on the issue of homosexuality that was never given the legitimacy of marriage by him or any other writer in the scriptures.

Sorry Paul is not 1 of Christ chosen disciples he just claims him self to be so.
Acts 9 3-4
And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

31 Are we Israelites on mount Sinai??

See my answer to question number 26.

32 Would you want someone else’s religious faith forced on you by law??? Would you want to be forced to live by Islam or Budhsism? No! There for you should not force others to live by your religious faith.

The argument against same sex marriage goes beyond religion it hits at the very core of our existence as the dominant species on the earth. Same sex marriage or unions can not produced life and brings us beneath the animals. There are natural laws and man made laws some given in scriptures and others man have made but all of them understand the sanctity of life. The one you wish to give however can neither bring life nor give to the human race purity or morality.

Uh sorry homosexuality has been a part of humanity since there were humans. Many cultures and religions have and still do honor and accept same sex unions. (And the human race is still growing) There is even same sex union recorded in Christianity see my other thread. With you saying this then the only reason for marriage or unions is procreation. So all men and women that are married and don't or can't have children should not be married.
Homosexuality has been recorded in other animals not just human.

33 Whos teachings are more important. Christ (who broke Moses’s Law) or Moses.

Not relevant; how ever they were both for the time that they were given and to whom they were given. Moses's teaching was to built a lawful nation that was chosen of God to bring forth his son,( you assume this) Christ teachings was to bring forth a people called out among the world to reign with him forever in a new heaven and new earth. If the Israelites were not brought forth as a people who were discipline by the laws given to Moses Christ would not have been born a Jew. ( you assume this)This goes back to the fact that Law came under Moses and Grace came under Christ. Simply put Law under Moses required the Jews to do something like offering gifts of sacrifice to be saved, but grace under Christ man need not do any thing or give any gift of sacrifice because Christ has given it all through his death, all man need do is believe.

You still did not answer the question.

34 Christian Values; Not Hebrew Law not Paulist Law.
35 Fundamental Rights and Freedoms of the Individual. That it right there rights of the individual not Hebrew or Paulist rights.
36 there is no unity if some people are less equal than others.

We are not made equal by our sexual orientation. I am a heterosexual and I see nothing in the constitution that makes me more equal than a homosexual. We are equal because we are humans. The constitution gives both of us the same freedoms. The freedom of an individual is only taken away by the constitution when he breaks a law or when he infringes on the right of someone else.

You can marry whom you want. Even if no church will marry you to the person you choose under civil law you can still have a civil union called a marriage. My friends can't have any legal right under the constitution to be joined to someone they want. How would you like it if you and a woman built a life together and 1 day she got sick? How would you feel if you were told you could not see her? Let say you and she bought a house together you and she lived in this house for years. You die and because she has no legal claim to you, your sister wants the house and throws this woman you have lived with for years out on the street and now she has nothing. No legal agreement is above the constitution. If you leave it to the house to the woman in a will it can be contested in the courts based on the constitution. Mean while she is out on the street. Is this far?? I is this equal??? NO!

Addressed To: Justice

Originally Posted by Justice
To Wendall Lewis and other anti-gay marriage people:

Opinions are only a sum total of what people have been taught. Most of the opinions here reflect the Bahamian society. But are most of the opinions here the correct opinions or just opinions?

The Oxford Modern English Dictionary defines opinion as follows: " a belief or assessment based on grounds short of proof." I put it to you justice, that the evidence given by both Wendell and bb359 are packed with document references to the source proof. That source proof being the Bible, a most reputable book. Over centuries law makers have used this reputable source as the governing pillars and fabric of their society. Even Historians today reference the Bible for information to archaeology findings, because of its remarkable accuracy to time and facts. You open your address questioning their facts as opinion ; Having read your statements I see no evidence of reference to a reputable source. Thus deeming your piece of literature as The oxford modern dictionary( Oxford university press 1992, Reprinted 1993, 1994 ) defines " ... based on grounds short of proof. One can only contend that the very question raised in your opening statement levied against the articles of Wendell and bb359 gives verdict to your own writing ....that they are ....just opinions. Very week ones I might add !!!!!!!


JCF101

I REST MY CASE ON CHRIST THE SOLID ROCK I STAND ALL OTHER GROUND IS SINKING SAND!!!!! HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!

To JCF101:

You are challenging the wrong person. You are merely proving my point on this whole concept of opinions. First of all the Bible is not a book of facts as you have indicated. The Bible is a book of historical writings. Neither you nor anyone else can test its accuracy. You were not alive during that era and cannot go back to that time and get an eyewitness account of the events through modern eyes? You would be a God to those people travelling back to see them in an automobile with a laptop and cellular phone in your hand. It was through science that these inventions came about.

Biblical times was an era where there was no scientific knowledge as we know science today and those people could have easily misconstrued any regular occurrence of natural phenomena as a miracle. Could they have explained a simple phenomenon as a mirage? Could they have explained what causes lighting? In the absence of scientific understanding of the nature of the universe people thrived on superstition and attributed most phenomena they could not explain to the existence of deity. These people thought the world was flat remember? So why are you in 2004, placing so much credence on their pre-scientific writings.

Some people only believe parts of the Bible as true and many do not believe that it is factual at all. I suppose you would say that they are wrong and you are right. The last time I checked, facts can never be disputed. Have you ever heard of any sane person disputing that 1+1=2.

Facts are based information that can be proven without a shadow of a doubt. The fact is that 1 + 1 = 2. It works all the time. The fact is that H20 is water. When two elements of hydrogen are combined with one element of oxygen water is produced. It works all the time and is irrefutable.

Religion in itself is hardly rational but based on beliefs that lead to the establishment of traditions. Isn’t that why people ask, “Do you BELIEVE in God? ” If his existence were so irrefutable there would be no agnostics and atheists. If God’s existence were a fact and agnostics and atheists still existed, they would be considered lunatics and admitted to mental hospitals. However, they are some of the most rational thinking people that I have encountered in college and some of the world’s best scientists. The reason for this explanation is to show that using religion as the sole basis for an argument sets a dangerous precedent because it is an invention that is not based on fact but merely beliefs.

Islam is the world’s largest religion. Are Islamic people right or are Christians right? Some people believe that the majority should rule, so in that vein, should Islamic people dictate their beliefs to non-Islamic people of the world or should they live and let live? Should heterosexuals dictate their beliefs to homosexuals or live and let live?

Justice