As I move about Nassau and on BI, much is being said about the future of the PLP and its leadership, however, many of those same short-sighted people engaging in those discussions are not looking at the other side of the floor, the future of the FNM and its' leadership.

1. Many are talking about PCs' age, 62/3, if things go the FNM's way, next election, 2012, he will be 67-8. HI is 60, 2012, HI will be 65. HI is already talking about his health (Yup, thats the excuse he's going with to ease Brent in as PM). Personally, I wouldn't want a 65 year old PM. Unless HI wants to be like St. Lucia's PM, Sir John Compton who is in his 80's, I think this is his last run, his last 2 years or less as leader of the FNM and as PM.

2. Many of the FNMs, new and old are doing their best to charge to the front knowing, or rather hoping that in 2012, HI will step down, if it goes that long. They are kissing HIs' ***** as if life depends on it, and for most of them, it does. (Phenton Neymour, if it wasn't for ya daddy, you'd still be leader of the CDR)
Many of them DO NOT want Tommy, because he lost the 2002 election and they don't think he can lead the party nor do many want Brent as leader, yes its the race issue. I have heard senior FNM officials complain that Brent is Foreign Minister.

3. Of the old FNM's, Zhivargo Laing, Ken Russell and Carl Bethel aren't bright enough to be PM and Dion Foulkes not only can't win a seat but he ain't to bright either.
Of the first time elected FNM's, the only bright spot is Bran McCartney and Bryon Woodside, but they'll have to put in work.
And of the new FNM's Charles Maynard and Phenton Neymour were lucky to get in. They'll have to wait their turn in whats going to be a very long line.

In comparison to the PLP, its my opinion that the FNM has a bigger problem with its leadership. BJ Nottage, Fred Mitchell, (despite what people are assuming about his lifestyle), Obie Wilchcombe and Allyson Gibson are all good potentially good candidates for leadership and PM and possibly even Raynard Rigby but he has no front line experience. The PLP needs to solve its leadership issue at the next Convention so when HI springs this election, they're ready and united, as this or lack of unity inter alia cost the FNM the 2002 election.

It will be interesting to watch these events unfold.

As I move about Nassau and on BI, much is being said about the future of the PLP and its leadership, however, many of those same short-sighted people engaging in those discussions are not looking at the other side of the floor, the future of the FNM and its' leadership.
1. Many are talking about PCs' age, 62/3, if things go the FNM's way, next election, 2012, he will be 67-8. HI is 60, 2012, HI will be 65. HI is already talking about his health (Yup, thats the excuse he's going with to ease Brent in as PM). Personally, I wouldn't want a 65 year old PM. Unless HI wants to be like St. Lucia's PM, Sir John Compton who is in his 80's, I think this is his last run, his last 2 years or less as leader of the FNM and as PM.
2. Many of the FNMs, new and old are doing their best to charge to the front knowing, or rather hoping that in 2012, HI will step down, if it goes that long. They are kissing HIs' ***** as if life depends on it, and for most of them, it does. (Phenton Neymour, if it wasn't for ya daddy, you'd still be leader of the CDR)
Many of them DO NOT want Tommy, because he lost the 2002 election and they don't think he can lead the party nor do many want Brent as leader, yes its the race issue. I have heard senior FNM officials complain that Brent is Foreign Minister.
3. Of the old FNM's, Zhivargo Laing, Ken Russell and Carl Bethel aren't bright enough to be PM and Dion Foulkes not only can't win a seat but he ain't to bright either.
Of the first time elected FNM's, the only bright spot is Bran McCartney and Bryon Woodside, but they'll have to put in work.
And of the new FNM's Charles Maynard and Phenton Neymour were lucky to get in. They'll have to wait their turn in whats going to be a very long line.
In comparison to the PLP, its my opinion that the FNM has a bigger problem with its leadership. BJ Nottage, Fred Mitchell, (despite what people are assuming about his lifestyle), Obie Wilchcombe and Allyson Gibson are all good potentially good candidates for leadership and PM and possibly even Raynard Rigby but he has no front line experience. The PLP needs to solve its leadership issue at the next Convention so when HI springs this election, they're ready and united, as this or lack of unity inter alia cost the FNM the 2002 election.
It will be interesting to watch these events unfold.

firstly he cannot ease brent into anything the post of Deputy Prime Minister is not in our constitution and a Prime Minister doesnt have to appoint one if he choses not to. If Hubert retires before this 5 years are up which i will watch and doubt that he will. SO i really wish yall would stop with this rumour. secondly just as you have pointed out good leadership material within the plp ( i question one or two of them). There are just as many in the fnm and i resent you implying that they arent bright enough. Wake up child. Tommy Turnquest, Zhirvago Laing,Carl Bethel, David Jordine are all young bright and talented, and who knows who will come up between now and then. So if u ask me fair is fair and both parties will face solving their leadership problems at both of their conventions. In my opinion the plp will have more of a problem because of the nature of many of their potential leaders. i can find just as many reasons not to pick any of the ones you listed Allyson i ga cry if i dont get a senate seat Gibson will cry and moan to be new leader figuring that since shes themoney behind teh plp she deserves to be in charge, fred Mitchel will be a liability to the Plp if they put him in. the fnm wasnt in office a month yet before he started to criticise his own party and will twist things heaven forbid he leads the plp and hell freezes over and they win in 2012. The bahamas would have its first communist Prime Minister with Fred, rigby ga avoid da issues, and bj just ga outright feel as if no one is better suited for it. I havent witnessed any of the fnm potentials to have had such an issue.
however since i am trying to be fair both Hubert Ingraham and Perry will more than likely not be in the next set of elections. so both parties would need to be preparing their future leader during this 5 year period.

Stretching for straws ... man, yah lost .. get over it already!!!

Nah, seriously .. not many of them are actually that bright, on either side, though Tommy Turnquest (is that his name, sorry dont follow as you guys do) sounds bright from what Ive heard so far. PC definitely was not all there, seemed like a nice guy though and wanted to do things but his crew held him back, Fred Mitchel was .. well LOLLLLL ... Pratt .. bigger LOLLLLLL, probably a nice lady, just not a leader and especially not a person to be minister of security ... shane gibson, though he had those issues and all, seemed bright also, seemed to do alot, he should have been min of security actually ..

remember i dont follow this stuff like yall, just what i saw as a non politrickal hack .. :hammer:

As I move about Nassau and on BI, much is being said about the future of the PLP and its leadership, however, many of those same short-sighted people engaging in those discussions are not looking at the other side of the floor, the future of the FNM and its' leadership.

1. Many are talking about PCs' age, 62/3, if things go the FNM's way, next election, 2012, he will be 67-8. HI is 60, 2012, HI will be 65. HI is already talking about his health (Yup, thats the excuse he's going with to ease Brent in as PM). Personally, I wouldn't want a 65 year old PM. Unless HI wants to be like St. Lucia's PM, Sir John Compton who is in his 80's, I think this is his last run, his last 2 years or less as leader of the FNM and as PM.

2. Many of the FNMs, new and old are doing their best to charge to the front knowing, or rather hoping that in 2012, HI will step down, if it goes that long. They are kissing HIs' ***** as if life depends on it, and for most of them, it does. (Phenton Neymour, if it wasn't for ya daddy, you'd still be leader of the CDR)
Many of them DO NOT want Tommy, because he lost the 2002 election and they don't think he can lead the party nor do many want Brent as leader, yes its the race issue. I have heard senior FNM officials complain that Brent is Foreign Minister.

3. Of the old FNM's, Zhivargo Laing, Ken Russell and Carl Bethel aren't bright enough to be PM and Dion Foulkes not only can't win a seat but he ain't to bright either.
Of the first time elected FNM's, the only bright spot is Bran McCartney and Bryon Woodside, but they'll have to put in work.
And of the new FNM's Charles Maynard and Phenton Neymour were lucky to get in. They'll have to wait their turn in whats going to be a very long line.

In comparison to the PLP, its my opinion that the FNM has a bigger problem with its leadership. BJ Nottage, Fred Mitchell, (despite what people are assuming about his lifestyle), Obie Wilchcombe and Allyson Gibson are all good potentially good candidates for leadership and PM and possibly even Raynard Rigby but he has no front line experience. The PLP needs to solve its leadership issue at the next Convention so when HI springs this election, they're ready and united, as this or lack of unity inter alia cost the FNM the 2002 election.

It will be interesting to watch these events unfold.

all of the persons you mentioned are capable of being the next leader so thanks for that. These young men are bright enough just not in your opinion which does not make it so. The plps you mentioned are all smeared with past corruption in one way or the other so it looks much better for the fnm than the plp that's for sure. The lack of leadership is exactly what cost the plp the past election. Perry has proven and still continues to prove that he is no leader.

As I move about Nassau and on BI, much is being said about the future of the PLP and its leadership,. The PLP needs to solve its leadership issue

It will be interesting to watch these events unfold.






Ah words of wisdom indeed!

The PLP will groom a new leadaer, lets just hope its not a continuation of the old guard. The party needs fresh leadership.

Sucks teeth at this thread....Proudbahamian,you need to give it up! Because people in the know know that you are talking nonsense.:tdown:

proudtobeabahamian is still in pre-May 2, 2007 - Mood, sir the election is ova... get with it... FNM will solve its leadership issues, however, the PLP has an immediate need to solve theirs.. but this FNM notes your concern...

proudtobeabahamian is still in pre-May 2, 2007 - Mood, sir the election is ova... get with it... FNM will solve its leadership issues, however, the PLP has an immediate need to solve theirs.. but this FNM not your concern...

The FNM does not have a leadership issue at this time. But if what i hear is happening over at the other camp--Perry is a goner.

proudtobeabahamian is still in pre-May 2, 2007 - Mood, sir the election is ova... get with it... FNM will solve its leadership issues, however, the PLP has an immediate need to solve theirs.. but this FNM notes your concern...

I as a PLP supporter don't think that PC should resign as leader at no time soon...

I hope from this election defeat PC has learned that people did not like him being so soft on his MPs that were caught up in one scandal or the other..

Besides PC's refusal to reprimand his MPs on certain issues and him trying to please everyone I don't have a problem with him and still support his leadership..

I think that he is still the right man for the job!!

I think that he is still the right man for the job!!
... the I, The I word...that is the problem with PLPs, it is all about them.. they could give a heck about the Bahamas...

... the I, The I word...that is the problem with PLPs, it is all about them.. they could give a heck about the Bahamas...

So what's your problem?

Are you trying to say that if we(PLPs) cared about the Bahamas we would say that the FNM and HI are best for the country at this time???

How is it that we don't "give a heck" about the Bahamas..

Just in case you did not know, the constitution gurantees me the right of free speech!!!

Just because I don't agree with you I don't care about this country???

Do you believe in freedom of speech???

So what's your problem?
Are you trying to say that if we(PLPs) cared about the Bahamas we would say that the FNM and HI are best for the country at this time???
How is it that we don't "give a heck" about the Bahamas..
Just in case you did not know, the constitution gurantees me the right of free speech!!!
Just because I don't agree with you I don't care about this country???
Do you believe in freedom of speech???
.. my brother.. this Bahamian firmly believes in the values and principals of Freedom in all forms.. that is why this Bahamian cannot support the PLP.. for far too long the PLP has tried to stiffle expression, 2007 election was a good example...

so please... put a suck in it...

.... but for real most PLPs are simply concerned about themselves.. that is the problem.. and that is why we have had to go to so much over th elast 5 years under this NEW PLP..

With the looming fight for the PLP leadership, it would be wise for the FNM to take note, when it comes time for them to appoint a new leader.

With the looming fight for the PLP leadership, it would be wise for the FNM to take note, when it comes time for them to appoint a new leader.
.. you are so right, so right you are...