When a person tells me that they are Christian I must assume that they are.


you assume wrongly CG ...
2 Corinthians 11
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

If they are a good one or a bad one is not the issue. A Christian is a follower of Christ - very, very few really follow the Christ but they still claim the name because that is what they were baptized into. (Same hold true for all religions!)


many 'christians' don't read the bible outside of the church - how can they call themselves christians and don't study God's word - how can they stand against the forces of evil that know the word of God inside and out?

Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


There is the problem with Christianity, there is no universal definition of what really constitutes a Christian. (Other than a belief in Christ, which seems to be not enough.) Each Christian group thinks that his interpretation is right and others, with a few exceptions, are false.



Indeed, CG, most christians beleive that all they have to do is beleive in Jesus and ask for forgiveness and then attend church. Nothing could be farther from the truth - christians are in a holy war, too many assume that they have been given an all expense paid ticket to heaven because they 'beleive in Jesus' -

*Faith without works is dead

James 2
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Romans 10
1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

I find find it extremely amusing that there are those among us that study the bible diligently and still turn around and practice voodoo, witchcraft and satanism. You would think that common sense will point out that if you believe in Satan, Demons and blackmagic - that you must also beleive in God and Jesus.

I once was in a Christian Books store in South America. As I walked in, I saw what one might expect to see; statues of Jesus, Mary, the Apostles, and Saints. These where in the left-hand side of the store, and very ornate they were. As I turned to the right, I saw statues of the Devil, as well as other grotesques that I could not identify. These were as equally flamboyant.

I sought out the shop assistant who turned out to be an expat American. I asked him why sell both kinds of statues? He replied, "In this country you pray to Jesus to protect you from evil and you pray to the Devil not to send you evil." I must have looked puzzled because he added, "I guess you could call it, ‘covering all your bases.'"

During the course of my visit I visited a number of people in their homes. Of those that had "family shrines" I would say sixty percent had both Jesus and the Devil enshrined.

There is no accounting for belief!

Not doing so is just as bad as following Jesus's teachings but rejecting the rest of the bible. This does not make any sense, especially when Jesus himself quotes from the scriptures and says that he did not come to change the law but to fulfill it. :shhh:

Can one reject part of one's Holy Book and accept other parts? Ideally, I would say ones religion would frown on that. Then again, some people are not ready to receive the whole thing - yet.

Spiritual enlightenment often comes in bits and peace. In my case, I find some parts of Buddhist writings to be hard to embrace, some of it downright mystifying, even silly! - I guess you can say I reject them! But I keep going back to those parts. Perhaps, one day all will become clear. There is nothing in Buddhism that says one must swallow the whole thing, "lock, stock, and barrel" on the first reading - or even at all.

In the Christian faith there seems, notice I say seems, to be a lot of contradictions in the Bible. One has to either, suspend one's disbelief or do scholarly research to make all the pieces fit. Or, one can put aside those passages for a later time when one is ready. Besides, living only by the words of Jesus can be all bad! There are worse things one can do!

I find find it extremely amusing that there are those among us that study the bible diligently and still turn around and practice voodoo, witchcraft and satanism. You would think that common sense will point out that if you believe in Satan, Demons and blackmagic - that you must also beleive in God and Jesus.

Not doing so is just as bad as following Jesus's teachings but rejecting the rest of the bible. So do you follow all the laws in the Bible????
Which one don't you have to follow?
Who choses which ones you don't have to follow???
I would love to see what you say to these questions.
This does not make any sense, especially when Jesus himself quotes from the scriptures and says that he did not come to change the law but to fulfill it. :shhh:

Please post where Jesus quoted from the Bible. Chapter and verse.
Did Jesus quote from Acts, Corinthians or Romans???

I find find it extremely amusing that there are those among us that study the bible diligently and still turn around and practice voodoo, witchcraft and satanism. You would think that common sense will point out that if you believe in Satan, Demons and blackmagic - that you must also beleive in God and Jesus.

Not doing so is just as bad as following Jesus's teachings but rejecting the rest of the bible. This does not make any sense, especially when Jesus himself quotes from the scriptures and says that he did not come to change the law but to fulfill it. :shhh:

Matthew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Christ has fullfilled the law and has taught a new way of life for humankind.

Christ has fullfilled the law and has taught a new way of life for humankind.


to bad no one follows his new way of life - look around.

seems the world is breaking every law that ever was.

and still trying to change the laws that have not been broken yet.

to bad no one follows his new way of life - look around.
I agree with you on that. But the thing I dis like the most is when people use the Bible as a wepon of fear and hate.
seems the world is breaking every law that ever was.

and still trying to change the laws that have not been broken yet.