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Vicky
04-28-04, - 05:43 PM
Matthew 6:1-4
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

Hi Delroy I did not post my deeds for praise but to teach Anthony he does not know me. From Anthony post Since these people going hungry to bed every night. If you have not done this you are just as bad or maybe even worst that the people you are condemning along with all the other Christians that you feel should be doing the same thing. I do not go around telling people what I do I have no need of it but if it can help teach someone else to help another then I will tell them. Just think how good it would be if just 1/3 of Bahamians thought they are their Brothers Keeper. I have had some ask how can I pay you back I tell them pass the kindness on to 2 others. If I have offended the Creator because I tried to teach someone kindness and I am to go to hell for is so be it but I am my brothers/sisters keeper. Some people think that when you hold up a mirror you are trying to strike out at them, I do not I just want them to see what they are saying or doing from a different point.


Vicky be very careful when you speak.
Many believers follow that same scripture above and have become witnesses to the truth of it. I am one of them. I am not here to brag but I am not poor (though I use to be). I have been homeless and other things.
When I applied God's word into my life everything changed and I began to see a bigger picture.

You want to know why that young lady comes to your home every night to eat? Because you are giving her the wrong food. Give her the right food and she would eat in her own home.

She had no home and she lived with us on the couch in the living room. She wanted to move out as soon as she could. She found a room no bath no kitchen just 4 walls and she moved in to it. She knows she is welcome but she is trying to do for her self. She comes to bath and eat. There is much more to the story but this should clear it up for you.

Their lives and your life will never change unless you both are fed the bread of life. What you call good works could be looked at as filthy rags by God and noting more.
I never called them good works its just my life.


You don't know the story of many Pastors and the sacrifices they made and continue to do. I know many of their stories and I can tell you that what your doing can't compare.

No Matter what the story of any of the Pastors is if they use the tithe to live then none should be hungry than they are. If not stop being pastors.

Christ didn't heal everyone and nether can we feed everyone. I see noting wrong with big churches as long as it is needed.
You see you misunderstand me I see nothing wrong with big churches either. The bigger the better the more homeless it can hold. The bigger the Kitchen it can hold. Heck it can even have a few temporary living quarters and the congregation can meet and worship out side if there is no room left. I have a problem with locks on the doors of what is supposed to be the house of the Creator.

But I can tell you one thing though, the bigger the church, the bigger the storehouse. This means more people can be fed and clothed and at the same time receive a life changing word.

Show me the storeroom is it locked how can hungry people eat if it locked. Or is it that hungry people must be Christian before the church will feed them??
The life changing word can be given in a box or even with a fox, it is so good it can be given anywhere. It can be given on a boat or even with a goat if it’s truly the life changing word it can be given anywhere. It does not need 4 walls and a roof.



Do you understand?

Delroy
04-28-04, - 05:54 PM
Good for you Vicky.

Vicky
04-28-04, - 05:56 PM
By what comes out of the mouth.


Mark 7
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

OOpps did I just stumble onto something here. HHHmmmm Maybe Christ did say something about homosexuality after all.

Delroy
04-28-04, - 05:58 PM
Mark 7
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

OOpps did I just stumble onto something here. HHHmmmm Maybe Christ did say something about homosexuality after all.

Vicky Please stick to the topic.

AI
04-28-04, - 06:43 PM
Anthony Yes I must respond to this you don't know me from hole in the wall. First off my family says if it weren't for them stopping me I would give every thing away. I have had many a time when some one would ask for money and I would empty my pocket. My wife does not want me to carry money any more because I would give it away. There is an old man that pass's my way and when I see him I empty my pocket. He showed me how worthwhile it was one day we saw each other and I went to him and said business was poor this week and I had nothing. He reached into his pocket and gave it to me. $1.56 No counting or anything.
I once had to argue with my wife out side of a grocery store a woman was out side begging for pampers for her baby. We had a poor week so money was very limited. I put pampers in the cart but we did not have enough money so I took other items out of the cart and my wife was royally made with me. Do you want to hear more I have lots?
As to homeless I have a woman and her child (not mine) living in my house because she has no place else to go. Her boy friend and father of the child thew her out. (She is my ex wife) There is another young woman that comes to my home every night so she and her daughter can eat. I only ask that she clean up after her self. I look after my Mom and Dad. Our car had to be parked because it’s to old to fix and we don’t have enough to get another one. I had 2 nice dresses we (my wife and I) gave one to her sister because she had nothing to wear to a wedding the other went to our sister-in law. It’s a good thing my wife and I are pretty much the same size so we can share clothes. We were held up at gunpoint Dec. 2002 it whipped us out finically every thing was taken inventory and cash but we kept going.

I do not collect tithes in the name of the Creator. Nor do I live on them nor do I build buildings and lock out the homeless while I go home for a nice meal paid for by tithes.
Ulterior motive no I call a spade a spade just many don’t like it because they want their spade to be a diamond. As I say I just hold up a mirror for people to see them selves

But I do know you Vicky from the replies that you post here most everyday and also the reply you made to my post. Anyway I just have one more thing to say to you. The same way you feel abut me making wrong accusations about you giving to the poor don't you think you may be wrong about other people? Or are you so far ahead of everyone that you dont make mistakes and whatever you think has to be fact? Listen just how its is wrong for people to be making assertions about you then you should not make against other people, for if you do you are just as bad as them. How would I have known what you had done if you did not tell me? Even though I have not personally seen what you have done I have to take your word for it. Which I will. I may be wrong, but I do not think you would ever be that forgiving. For ulitmately its all about what you believe is the truth and not truth itself.


Anthony

CG
04-28-04, - 08:18 PM
I am not missing the point. That is just the way God is; if we do good He rewards us.

So it is a quid-pro-quo (An equal exchange.)

Let me ask you something. If your child comes home from school with straight A 's on his report card will you reward him?

Yes, I would because he is a child. Children respond to a hamburger. A spiritual adult should not.

Even if he got the A 's because he knew that you would give him something for it will you still reward him?

Yes, but in the spiritual things should be different. A Spiritual person who is influenced by reward is not a spiritual adult.

Why is is wrong to question if a gift is good or bad?

Because we do not know the spirit in which it was given.

CG
04-28-04, - 08:21 PM
By what comes out of the mouth.

What comes out of the mouth does not always reach the ears, or the ears misinterpret what is said. It is God's ears that listen and really hear.

Delroy
04-28-04, - 10:28 PM
CG,

This is the first time I haven't understood what you said.
Is this Buddist talk?

CG
04-28-04, - 10:38 PM
CG,

This is the first time I haven't understood what you said.
Is this Buddist talk?

Sorry about that but were you referring to:

"What comes out of the mouth does not always reach the ears, or the ears misinterpret what is said. It is God's ears that listen and really hear."

If it was then yes, it is Buddhist stuff, kind of.

Delroy
04-28-04, - 10:57 PM
Sorry about that but were you referring to:

"What comes out of the mouth does not always reach the ears, or the ears misinterpret what is said. It is God's ears that listen and really hear."

If it was then yes, it is Buddhist stuff, kind of.

Ok Thanks.
I will try to answer this. ;)

God gave me ears to hear and to listen for a reason. One can only say what is on their mind and according to the Bible “the mind is the heart of the man” . Whether they mean it or not is not my concern but whatever is said will be judged.

If I go to court after being arrested whatever I said would be used against me even though the judge and jury can't see my heart. My own words would condemn or uphold me.

I agree that only God can judge the thoughts of a man but we are not mind readers so we must go by their words.

CG
04-28-04, - 11:09 PM
Ok Thanks.
I will try to answer this. ;)

God gave me ears to hear and to listen for a reason. One can only say what is on their mind and according to the Bible “the mind is the heart of the man” . Whether they mean it or not is not my concern but whatever is said will be judged.

If I go to court after being arrested whatever I said would be used against me even though the judge and jury can't see my heart. My own words would condemn or uphold me.

I agree that only God can judge the thoughts of a man but we are not mind readers so we must go by their words.

OK. I get your point. But my point was to do something that all of us finds hard to do be they, the Christian or the Buddhist, and that is not to judge.

The Bible tells us that, what comes out of a man's mouth defiles him. By that, we can assume the Bible means words. But to what words does it refer? No one word in particular but statements that show the true content of the heart, or what we assume, by our experience of God's word, to be the true content of the heart. The ears (of others) can misunderstand those statements and indeed, the interpretation of the Bible, or the hearer may just be plain wrong

I think you will agree with me when I say Gods "ears" hears all, even that which is not spoken. Judging, under the Christian view of things, (Buddhist too!) must be avoided - even if one thinks one hears correctly. The only "ears" that matter are Gods. :)

Delroy
04-28-04, - 11:37 PM
I think you will agree with me when I say Gods "ears" hears all, even that which is not spoken. Judging, under the Christian view of things, (Buddhist too!) must be avoided - even if one thinks one hears correctly. The only "ears" that matter are Gods.

Then should we set free every prisoner whose crime we didn't witness even though they confessed?

CG
04-28-04, - 11:44 PM
Then should we set free every prisoner whose crime we didn't witness even though they confessed?

Perhaps we need to define the word "judging" as I though we were using it.

The judging I am speaking of is the spiritual judging that sets us at each others throats because we judge others as wrong in the opinions they hold.

Delroy
04-28-04, - 11:49 PM
Perhaps we need to define the word "judging" as I though we were using it.

The judging I am speaking of is the spiritual judging that sets us at each others throats because we judge others as wrong in the opinions they hold.

How can you tell if a spirit is bad or good CG?

CG
04-28-04, - 11:54 PM
How can you tell if a spirit is bad or good CG?

Lets not have a misunderstanding again. Please tell me what you mean by Spirit.