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YorickBrown
04-26-04, - 08:13 PM
"The Public Utilities Commission (PUC) is warning the public that persons who provide illegal Voice Over Internet Protocol Services (VOIP) or aid and abet unlicensed operators in the provision of such services will face prosecution and the possibility of heavy fines.

According to the PUC there has been a proliferation of advertisements offering reduced international telephone rates and the PUC has also received increasing inquiries relating to (VoIP). However, the PUC says that only The Bahamas Telecommunications Company and Systems Resource Group have been licensed under the Telecommunications Act by the PUC to provide public Voice Telephony services which include Voice Services over the Internet (VoIP) and Voice over Internet Protocol Networks.

"Any person who, without a Licence from the PUC, establishes, operates or provides public VoIP services or aids and abets the unlicensed provision of these services shall be guilty of a criminal offence and may be fined up to three hundred thousand dollars ($300,000) in accordance with Section 35 of the Telecommunications Act, " said E. George Moss, Executive Director, PUC. He also said violators could expect to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

The PUC is requesting that the members of the public with knowledge of this type of illegal activity provide information to the PUC at telephone (242) 322-4437, fax (242) 323-7288 or info@pucbahamas.gov.bs."
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This announcement is a surprisingly shameless attempt to keep this nation in the technological doldrums, which most Third World countries continuously struggle to get out of.

The reality is that the major instant messenger programs for PC’s (AOL, MSN, Yahoo, Skype) all have built-in VoIP services (some through Net2Phone.com) which allow users to place inexpensive (or even “free”) pc to phone calls to the US and Canada. Are they going to "fine" everyone who decides to place a call using one of these virtually “free” services?

What makes the situation even funnier is that users of these instant messenger programs often are not aware of this VoIP capability, but because of this announcement, they now will become aware of exactly what they were missing. Is the PUC going to regulate each and every one of these thousands of instant messenger programs on home and office PC’s in The Bahamas? That would definitely be a feat of epic proportions. Even if they decided to try and block certain Internet ports at the leading ISP’s, one thing is certain: In the world of computers there is always another way around.

Vonage.com (http://www.vonage.com) is probably the PUC’s primary enemy in this instance of blatant monopolistic protectionism. Vonage has even come out with an ad campaign that taunts:

Vonage - your phone company’s worst nightmare!

The Vonage service offers unlimited phone calls to the US or Canada for under $40/month. Included in that package is a Cisco ATA device which is plugged into a Cable/DSL modem or Internet-sharing router, automatically making an effortless data connection over the Internet to the Vonage service. After that step is completed, the customer can then plug any normal telephone into the Cisco ATA device and begin calling whomever they want in the US and Canada, for as long as they want. Long distance rates to countries outside of the US and Canada are highly competitive as well, with calls to London, Paris and Hong Kong for less than $.03/minute.
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There is no way that Batelco could compete with this fast-spreading Internet technology. What the PUC has chosen to do is openly threatening the technological progression of this country. The question that I have is, “What beneficial technological service will they attempt to regulate next?” The Bahamian government should have just sold the outdated telecommunications dinosaur of Batelco in the first place. It just goes to show how short-sighted they were in keeping the overbloated company – all because the cellular phone market seemed to make things a bit more profitable. Technological progression versus Monopolistic protectionism: the saga of a Third World nation continues.

k.o.o.l.b.o.n.z.e
04-26-04, - 09:02 PM
my aunt uses a system similar to this when she calls me from atlanta. i like competition, it brings out the good and occasional bad things out in people/entities. If batelco had adequate competition i honestly think that they would better their game and up the ante.

Rory
04-27-04, - 01:22 AM
yeah, this has to be a joke, how can a company make something illegal!?

I posted a couple replies about this at other threads. Why should we use batelcos extremely expensive long distance service when there is VOIP. Like you said, they are a monoploy, and are by doing this are keeping the Bahamas from advancing into the technological world.

All in all, I dont see how it can stand up in court. In the US counties are sueing Direct TV for rackateering, perhaps Batelco can be dealt with in the same way, or if not Batelco, the morons that created this illegal corupt decision to wreck the lives of fellow Bahamians.

Rory
04-27-04, - 01:24 AM
another thing, they are just going to be targetting their existing clients who perhaps spend alot with them in the business sector, so they are really bad at business decision making, whoever is in charge should be fired!

BAHMIA
04-27-04, - 06:52 PM
Vonage.com you say?

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

And we all know that large foreign companies in the country are probably already using the VoIP system and the government won't even think about confronting them.

It's about time BaTelCo got it's act together because I for one am tired of paying $0.99 a minute to dial overseas.

Great Demos
04-27-04, - 10:18 PM
Vonage.com you say?

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

And we all know that large foreign companies in the country are probably already using the VoIP system and the government won't even think about confronting them.

It's about time BaTelCo got it's act together because I for one am tired of paying $0.99 a minute to dial overseas.


Isn't it outstandingly strange and dumb at the same time that an agency such as the PUC, staffed with persons at the top who are supposed to be very intelligent, could make such retrogressive laws!!!???

It will be interesting to know where this foosishness originated. Whoever it is should hang his/her head in shame! Even the FMN with all their arrogance tried to encourage technology by removing the duty on PCs, and now this!

And I don't think Batelco will ever get its act together as long as it is government owned!

Maybe something's wrong with me, but it baffles me to see how we could still hold our governing authorities in high regard.

Great Demos

Rory
04-27-04, - 10:29 PM
Maybe something's wrong with me, but it baffles me to see how we could still hold our governing authorities in high regard.

Great Demos

i dont, this new 'law' if it can be called one, is DUMB. But then, look at the seat belt law, its in, its out, its in again, but when it was in, it was never really enforced, nor are most laws in the Bahamas.

Rory
04-28-04, - 02:34 AM
Vonage.com you say?

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

And we all know that large foreign companies in the country are probably already using the VoIP system and the government won't even think about confronting them.

It's about time BaTelCo got it's act together because I for one am tired of paying $0.99 a minute to dial overseas.

yep, add to favourites and shortcut on desktop, and home page, download their screensavers also, play it on your car DVD screen, put an add in newspapers on how great VOIP is and how much money you save.. :taped:

Some other VOIP devices/software (i do not endorse the use of anything from this list, these are all found on google when doing a search, for testing purposes only - whoops, what do I think this is Direk TVV!:@#)

http://www.voipvoice.com/
http://www.udcsystems.com/unidata_eng/frame.asp
http://www.snom.com/index1_en.php
http://www.sipmicro.com/
http://www.pingtel.com/
http://www.communitech.com/
http://www.clarisys.net/ --->
Due to unprecedented demand within the VoIP Industry, the Clarisys I-750 handset is currently sold out. We are anticipating the arrival of the next generation Clarisys I-750H, equipped with a headset port.

http://www.adtech.be/
http://www.nikotel.com/index?p=buddy
http://www.globestream.net/
http://www.pangeantech.com/
http://www.ipvoicesystems.com/

and then some :dancer2:

lukku cairi
04-28-04, - 08:10 AM
VoIP is great. As someone who calls the Bahamas frequently from the U.S., though, I'll tell you even with VoIP you won't get past Batelco's line inefficiencies - I was trying to call some of my friends the other night (on multiple different islands) and found that the entire Bahamas was "unavailable." I wasn't even able to reach friends of mine with VoIP numbers (that dial as if I'm calling the U.S.) As long as we still have to use Batelco's copper lines and microwave repeaters (as Batelco maintains them) and Cable Bahamas' fiber optic backbone (as Cable Bahamas maintains it), the entire country can still be held to ransom.

Can we get some free-market competition, please?

timwil
04-28-04, - 09:38 AM
Lets take a step back and really analyze what they are saying to us.

The fine for doing VOIP is set at up to $300,000. This is as much or more than if they caught you with illegal dangerous drugs. That being the case what are the law-givers saying to us?

That selling VOIP is as bad as (or worse than) selling dangerous drugs.

That being the case is there no wonder we have a crime problem? If it is more important to protect money (lost revenue to Batelco) than to stop illegal drugs do we not really think that the general populace sees this?

CG
04-28-04, - 09:40 AM
Lets take a step back and really analyze what they are saying to us.

The fine for doing VOIP is set at up to $300,000. This is as much or more than if they caught you with illegal dangerous drugs. That being the case what are the law-givers saying to us?

That selling VOIP is as bad as (or worse than) selling dangerous drugs.

That being the case is there no wonder we have a crime problem? If it is more important to protect money (lost revenue to Batelco) than to stop illegal drugs do we not really think that the general populace sees this?

You might have hit the nail right on the head, timwil!!!!

islandgyal
04-29-04, - 10:41 PM
from your keyboard to god's ears ...

GodSign
05-31-04, - 09:41 AM
politics gat dis country screwed right up!!!!!!!

lukku cairi
05-31-04, - 10:45 AM
from your keyboard to god's ears ...
Shouldn't it be "from your keyboard to God's EYES"?
;)

islandgyal
05-31-04, - 01:55 PM
i suppose you may have a point :walk: :walk: :bye: !