View Full Version : Bush vetos stem cell bill
YorickBrown 06-20-07, - 04:47 PM http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19333824/
I do not understand the US admin's decisions sometimes. They say that:
"The president does not believe it's appropriate to put an end to human life for research purposes"
But I guess that it's okay for their administration to end/sacrifice human life to promote the mere concept of democracy in other countries. :dgi:
Let me get this right...stem cell research has the potential to save hundreds of thousands/millions of people in the future, as well as eradicating disease in humans, yet the US administration is not considering that technology a priority?
Allowing stem cell research now will create the opportunity for scientists in the future to understand properly how stem cells work, perhaps eliminating future need for harvesting them from embryos - Maybe they can get them from clones...
...Oops, scientists' hands are tied on that matter as well.
Sunnyjohn 06-20-07, - 04:49 PM I guess this is as good a place as any for this:
http://creoleindc.typepad.com/rantings_of_a_creole_prin/images/2007/06/20/stemcellcultivation1.gif
YorickBrown 06-20-07, - 04:51 PM Bermuda is on the ball at least.
http://www.theroyalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d7693f30030003§ionId=60
Sunnyjohn 06-20-07, - 04:52 PM Here is the link:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/stem-cell.htm/printable
Sunnyjohn 06-20-07, - 04:54 PM Bermuda is on the ball at least.
http://www.theroyalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d7693f30030003§ionId=60
From that article:
Stemedica is a prominent Russian co(mpany) that will soon open clinics in ‘neutral’ countries like Bahamas, Bermuda, Caymans,” a commentator wrote on the Motley Fool Caps investment website in March this year.
Economic diversity and scientific research!
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From that article:
Stemedica is a prominent Russian co(mpany) that will soon open clinics in ‘neutral’ countries like Bahamas, Bermuda, Caymans,” a commentator wrote on the Motley Fool Caps investment website in March this year.
Economic diversity and scientific research!
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just some more bases for their nukes :D
the cold war is coming back .. :(
Sunnyjohn 06-20-07, - 05:02 PM just some more bases for their nukes :D
the cold war is coming back .. :(
Oil is making the Russians WAY more money than they ever did in the cold war.
They are swimming in a huge crude oil reserves. Even the US wants a piece of the oil action.
Lots of new millionaires. Man, Moscow looks better than Paris these days!
LOL!
YorickBrown 06-20-07, - 05:03 PM From that article:
Stemedica is a prominent Russian co(mpany) that will soon open clinics in ‘neutral’ countries like Bahamas, Bermuda, Caymans,” a commentator wrote on the Motley Fool Caps investment website in March this year.
Economic diversity and scientific research!
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Yeah, saw that...then I saw this article which was published a month later in April:
http://www.medicaldaily.net/link.asp?ID=77613&Title=Stem%20Cell%20Research%20Unlikely%20In%20The%20Bahamas
That was under the PLP administration tho..:taped2:
Oil is making the Russians WAY more money than they ever did in the cold war.
They are swimming in a huge crude oil reserves. Even the US wants a piece of the oil action.
Lots of new millionaires. Man, Moscow looks better than Paris these days!
LOL!
you have to look at who those millionaires are though, mostly gangstas .. criminals .. etc. meanwhile the majority of russians can barely afford a plate of food once a week ..
casualobserver 06-20-07, - 08:55 PM Wasn't there a lab in Freeport for a while, but it was tied to the US somehow so the US State Department cut off the funding and shut it down? It was around the same time that PharmaChem and the Shipyard were getting rolling, 5 yrs or so ago...
The stem cell research proponents do bring up a good point. While the fetus is in the mother, they (Republican administration) care a lot more than they do the minute the lil infant is born.
Personally, I think it is worth the risk. Here's my legislation!
Mothers that choose to abort a pregnancy should be the only candidates for the procedure.
They should not be paid, but instead be charged a fee so it doesn't become a revenue source for the ho's and druggies.
Women should only be allowed to donate embryos once in 10 years unless it's an egtopic pregnancy which would have to be terminated anyway as the fetus is growing in the tube.
Donation of umbillical tube cells after childbirth should be allowed, that would present a huge supply of these type of cells, albeit not exactly what they're looking for.
Independent clinics would be banned, leaving the procedure for research hospitals and universities alone.
The cures for cancer, parkinsons, Lou Gherig's (ALS), diabetes, and potentially AIDS lies within this sort of cell technology. I can see where it has the potential for systemic abuse or may become a gateway law that some will try to parlay into abortion rights. This law is bigger than abortion and should be delivered to the President with no caveats or loopholes so he can sign it. Unfortunately, the conservative right will beat his silly for doing it, so he'll probably cave to his boss - Dick Cheney and the special interests...
I watch too much CNN!
AnarchyIsOrder 06-22-07, - 11:25 PM Oil is making the Russians WAY more money than they ever did in the cold war.
They are swimming in a huge crude oil reserves. Even the US wants a piece of the oil action.
Lots of new millionaires. Man, Moscow looks better than Paris these days!
LOL!
Well, depends on who you ask, the vast majority of working class Russians have said to me that Russia has rolled downhill since the fall of the USSR. For every new millionaire, there a bout a million new starving folks.
As far as the cold war goes, the USSR lost greatly on the cold war, you see a planned socialist economy does not benefit from building unnecessary and excessive military equipment, the free market of the US grew greatly during the cold war though, since it was generally public tax money being transferred into private and corporate accounts for military contracts
AnarchyIsOrder 06-22-07, - 11:32 PM as far as Bush with his veto goes, no big loss. Other countries, including European and Asian ones are already making headway in the field. And once it gets profitable, trust me, the pressure of big business will make whatever US government jump on the train.
Bush actually said that research and moral values should go hand-in-hand, a ridiculous assertion if we consider the nature of the research process and the social constructs that are morals. Anyway, i'm not surprised, i can expect anything from a bunch of death penalty supporting pro-lifers.
Alien 06-23-07, - 08:15 AM Bush is a conservative, what did you expect him to do?
I may not be scientifically enclined, to say anything about stem cell research, but, it does sound like Dr. Moreau....
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