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BahamaWave
06-24-07, - 09:45 AM
hey Glen,
you've been giving some excellent financial advice but I have a question for you. Is it a good practice to give 10% of your hard earned salary to the church as tithes? or does this simply count as a loss for you?

CG
06-24-07, - 10:40 AM
I will be interested to hear what Glen has to say.

From my perspective the tithe is not a gain or a loss really. It is a user tax, if you like for "using" the church. Ideally, all tithes should go to the poor, and your other gifts to the church should pay for up keep, salaries etc. But things don't work like that. The tithe does it all.

If you belong to a church that requires the tithe, most do. Then pay it. It is also a measure of your faithfulness.

I hate to put it this way in case I am misunderstood, but when you go to the movies you pay and are, hopefully, entertained for that fee. You go to a Church to listen and be instructed - one should pay for that instruction.

Ting-um
06-24-07, - 11:10 AM
Geez..

Its a charitable contribution.

Spirit
06-24-07, - 11:38 AM
hey Glen,
you've been giving some excellent financial advice but I have a question for you. Is it a good practice to give 10% of your hard earned salary to the church as tithes? or does this simply count as a loss for you?



I do not know what Glen response will be but I will try to answer based on my understanding of the Bible.

What many preachers would not like you to know is the laws as it pertains to giving has been amended in the new Covenant (testament)


The New Testament say if you sow sparingly you will reap sparingly
2 Corinthians 9: 6

but Just below this verse is the most important verse in the Bible in regard to giving!!!!!

It says 2 Cor 9 vs 7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give not reluctantly or under compulsion for God loves a cheerful giver.


This rule is a clear amendment to the 10% law of the Old testament!!!!

The law says you decide in your own heart what you think you should give.
for it is better to give twenty dollars willingly than to give $50 grudgingly.

Because God's focus is on the heart. He does not need your money but He is trying to change your heart. If you give 10% every time the amount has already been decided for you. You are no longer giving willingly but by compulsion!!!!

Blessing will NOT come if you give under compulsion!!!! The Bible also says what you have done for the least of these you have done for me.

So go and clothed the naked
So go and feed the hungry
and do tip those who give you good service and you will be rewarded!!!!

BahamaWave
06-24-07, - 11:46 AM
I do not know what Glen response will be but I will try to answer based on my understanding of the Bible.

What many preachers would not like you to know is the laws as it pertains to giving has been amended in the new Covenant (testament)


The New Testament say if you sow sparingly you will reap sparingly
2 Corinthians 9: 6

but Just below this verse is the most important verse in the Bible in regard to giving!!!!!

It says 2 Cor 9 vs 7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give not reluctantly or under compulsion for God loves a cheerful giver.


This rule is a clear amendment to the 10% law of the Old testament!!!!

The law says you decide in your own heart what you think you should give.
for it is better to give twenty dollars willingly than to give $50 grudgingly.

Because God's focus is on the heart. He does not need your money but He is trying to change your heart. If you give 10% every time the amount has already been decided for you. You are no longer giving willingly but by compulsion!!!!

Blessing will NOT come if you give under compulsion!!!! The Bible also says what you have done for the least of these you have done for me.

So go and clothed the naked
So go and feed the hungry
and do tip those who give you good service and you will be rewarded!!!!



I'm not disputing whether one should tithe or not, or even how one should tithe. Just wanna know if this is a good, sound practice financially. that is, to give away 10% of your salary.

Spirit
06-24-07, - 11:59 AM
I'm not disputing whether one should tithe or not, or even how one should tithe. Just wanna know if this is a good, sound practice financially. that is, to give away 10% of your salary.



but I just told you that you should NOT tithe but you should give what you have set in your heart to give!!!!

Ting-um
06-24-07, - 12:09 PM
Nobody can tell you whether you should or should not tithe. Its a part of your beliefs. Nobody can tell you whether you should or should not pray. Whether you should or should not go to church. If you take your faith out of it, then its basically charity. And its entirely up to you if you should or should not be charitable.

Jer
06-24-07, - 01:48 PM
Nobody can tell you whether you should or should not tithe. Its a part of your beliefs. Nobody can tell you whether you should or should not pray. Whether you should or should not go to church. If you take your faith out of it, then its basically charity. And its entirely up to you if you should or should not be charitable.

Would you all consider tithing to include giving to the salvation army? Sometimes I prefer to give to a good social cause than to a particular church. I guess I go back and forth.

nationbuilder
06-24-07, - 01:51 PM
Nobody can tell you whether you should or should not tithe. Its a part of your beliefs. Nobody can tell you whether you should or should not pray. Whether you should or should not go to church. If you take your faith out of it, then its basically charity. And its entirely up to you if you should or should not be charitable.

Exactly.

BahamaWave
06-24-07, - 02:20 PM
Nobody can tell you whether you should or should not tithe. Its a part of your beliefs. Nobody can tell you whether you should or should not pray. Whether you should or should not go to church. If you take your faith out of it, then its basically charity. And its entirely up to you if you should or should not be charitable.

makes a lotta sense.

Objective thought
06-24-07, - 02:46 PM
hey Glen,
you've been giving some excellent financial advice but I have a question for you. Is it a good practice to give 10% of your hard earned salary to the church as tithes? or does this simply count as a loss for you?

Under the new covenant tithing is not restricted to 10%..Tithing which means 10% was changed to GIVING FREELY/GIFT which represents any number!!(1 Corinthians 16:2,3)

You have the choice to give 1% or 100% of your salary and you should not do it because someone else is forcing you to. You should freely give...(2 Corinthians 9:5, 7)

What the new testament does teach is that if you give a little then expect a little in return but if you give alot then you can definitely expect alot!!!(2 Corinthians 9:6)

But I always tell people when you make a promise to give however much you decide, you must live by it because you would end up like Ananias and Sapphira if you don't!!(Acts 5: 1-11)

You see, you have the right to decide and when you do the Lord will hold you responsible...

So all of you who believe that one should pay a tithe(10%) and don't do it yourself, you bring a curse on yourself!!

But to answer your question directly, it is good to give and neccessary to give especially to help the poor!!! And help comes from all directions when God blesses you according to how you give. (2 Corinthians 9: 8

BahamaWave
06-24-07, - 04:20 PM
Under the new covenant tithing is not restricted to 10%..Tithing which means 10% was changed to GIVING FREELY/GIFT which represents any number!!(1 Corinthians 16:2,3)
You have the choice to give 1% or 100% of your salary and you should not do it because someone else is forcing you to. You should freely give...(2 Corinthians 9:5, 7)
What the new testament does teach is that if you give a little then expect a little in return but if you give alot then you can definitely expect alot!!!(2 Corinthians 9:6)
But I always tell people when you make a promise to give however much you decide, you must live by it because you would end up like Ananias and Sapphira if you don't!!(Acts 5: 1-11)
You see, you have the right to decide and when you do the Lord will hold you responsible...
So all of you who believe that one should pay a tithe(10%) and don't do it yourself, you bring a curse on yourself!!
But to answer your question directly, it is good to give and neccessary to give especially to help the poor!!! And help comes from all directions when God blesses you according to how you give. (2 Corinthians 9: 8

this is true.

Rory
06-24-07, - 06:31 PM
waste of money, pitch a tent or pray at home :D

Glenn Ferguson
06-25-07, - 12:16 PM
Don't know if I'm the one you should be calling on...

The views expressed are right on. The tithes was designed to provide:

For the upkeep of the worship facilities and the staff responsible for carrying out its administration.
Ministering to the needs of the poor, widows, fatherless and homeless - (Charity) which were managed by the religious organizations
Encourage compassion and brotherhood


Given that its institution is connected to religious adherence your particular beliefs will dictate your actions. But as you can see it fulfils a worthy and useful purpose..Uplifting and sustaining the weak amongst us...

Objective thought
06-25-07, - 07:21 PM
Don't know if I'm the one you should be calling on...

The views expressed are right on. The tithes was designed to provide:

For the upkeep of the worship facilities and the staff responsible for carrying out its administration.
Ministering to the needs of the poor, widows, fatherless and homeless - (Charity) which were managed by the religious organizations
Encourage compassion and brotherhood


Given that its institution is connected to religious adherence your particular beliefs will dictate your actions. But as you can see it fulfils a worthy and useful purpose..Uplifting and sustaining the weak amongst us...

I could not say it better myself!!!!

You are right on bro!!

I can point you or anyone else to scriptures that say exactly what you have said!!