Government officials who oversee the Urban Renewal project claimed on Thursday that it was not the "brainchild" of former Prime Minister Perry Christie and they insisted that the project is alive and well.

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The idea of revitalizing the inner city was actually the brain child of the FNM government in its first term, they called it the "REBIRTH" programme where they refurbished a few homes in the inner cities and called the police part of the project "COMMUNIY POLICING."

It was under community policing that police cars were identified by the station/area it was attached to. So the PLP tries to make it seem as though the "URBAN RENEWAL" was the brainchild of the PLP, maybe the name, but not the concept anyway.

The more the PLP brings up an argument the more they cause the FNM to reveal the facts. The PLP plays on the preception that Bahamians have short memory, so they always tell half truths to confuse us with the facts.

The idea of revitalizing the inner city was actually the brain child of the FNM government in its first term, they called it the "REBIRTH" programme where they refurbished a few homes in the inner cities and called the police part of the project "COMMUNIY POLICING."
It was under community policing that police cars were identified by the station/area it was attached to. So the PLP tries to make it seem as though the "URBAN RENEWAL" was the brainchild of the PLP, maybe the name, but not the concept anyway.
The more the PLP brings up an argument the more they cause the FNM to reveal the facts. The PLP plays on the preception that Bahamians have short memory, so they always tell half truths to confuse us with the facts.

Not true!

It was actually before Hubert's and Christie's time! But Christie was the one who implemented and test piloted it to succession. Community Policing is just one form of Urban Renewal.

I find it it quite strange that now there is a row over who started this. People when will we learn. Why take credit now for something you know for fact that you did not create.

Did the FNM Government won awards and accolades,and receive recognition for this program? No! So why beat the horse dead when you know that you een got two cents to stand on with these lame excuses and lies.

I wonder if the FNM and PLP ever heard of Community Centers :D

I actually think Urban Renewal goes beyond either Ingrahm or Christie. When an urban population begins to get too large it becomes necessary to combat the problem inherent to a large population in a relatively small area. If the BDM won the government and created a programme called Urban Regeneration, they could claim that it is their brainchile, even though it would have done the exact same things as the Urban Renewal and Rebirth programmes. So, yes the FNM probably did lay the infrastructure for UR, but it could have easily began before them. The fact that the PLP won any accolades for it means nothing, because we all see that they were very good at making the smallest step seem like finishing a 10k run. But considering they tripped so often when they did try to take a step, them doing anything partially right is good enough for a press conference, photo op, and a good ol’ Christie shuffle!

I actually think Urban Renewal goes beyond either Ingrahm or Christie. When an urban population begins to get too large it becomes necessary to combat the problem inherent to a large population in a relatively small area. If the BDM won the government and created a programme called Urban Regeneration, they could claim that it is their brainchile, even though it would have done the exact same things as the Urban Renewal and Rebirth programmes. So, yes the FNM probably did lay the infrastructure for UR, but it could have easily began before them. The fact that the PLP won any accolades for it means nothing, because we all see that they were very good at making the smallest step seem like finishing a 10k run. But considering they tripped so often when they did try to take a step, them doing anything partially right is good enough for a press conference, photo op, and a good ol’ Christie shuffle!

It goes beyond Ingraham and Christie because it was actual thought off as far back as Pindling's time (if we wanna go there); but it was successfully initiated and implemented under Christie's watch. History can't change or sugar coat that sir!
My brother, you nor I know for sure how effective the Urban Renewal program really and truly was. It may have looked like a small step to you, but to those who it helped, it certainly meant a lot to!

maybe more bahamians need to learn how to use google .. :D

http://www.urbanrenewal.org/home.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_renewal
http://www.urbancure.org/
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/1295.html
http://www.ura.org.hk/html/c100000e1e.html

maybe more bahamians need to learn how to use google .. :D
http://www.urbanrenewal.org/home.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_renewal
http://www.urbancure.org/
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/1295.html

We are not talking about other countries my brother! We are talking about The Bahamas. There are many Urban Renewal programs around the world....and no one country can take credit for it. But if you can make a succession out of it. then that says something.

However, if the FNM Government had a programmed that had some of the same objectives and accomplished (to what degree you can argue) of the same things, how can you say it was initiated by Perry Christie? Every government programme affects Bahamians, just because it does not directly affect me does not mean I cannot judge it. The simple facts are that poverty and crime were still rampant under Christie. (Unemployment was way up, and the fact that you remove a majority of the unemployed population from the statistic by classifying them as discouraged does not negate their existence.)

However, if the FNM Government had a programmed that had some of the same objectives and accomplished (to what degree you can argue) of the same things, how can you say it was initiated by Perry Christie? Every government programme affects Bahamians, just because it does not directly affect me does not mean I cannot judge it. The simple facts are that poverty and crime were still rampant under Christie. (Unemployment was way up, and the fact that you remove a majority of the unemployed population from the statistic by classifying them as discouraged does not negate their existence.)

And that my brother was drastic under Igraham. And to be honest, that all started with the poor governance of the FNM from 1997-2002 and I can even say some of that stuff was actually started after 1992.

If we want to criticize PLP, we must also do the same with the FNM because crime and poverty was truly heighten under their watch.

I think it is nearly sinful for any Bahamian to forget the state of the Bahamas prior to the FNM becomin government in 1992! I never said that the FNM was perfect, and I most certainly am not saying that Hubert Ingrahm is the savior of our nation, but he better than Perry! The country was better off under the FNM, but it may be better off under the PLP in the future, but lets not piss on my shoes and hand me an umbrella.

I think it is nearly sinful for any Bahamian to forget the state of the Bahamas prior to the FNM becomin government in 1992! I never said that the FNM was perfect, and I most certainly am not saying that Hubert Ingrahm is the savior of our nation, but he better than Perry! The country was better off under the FNM, but it may be better off under the PLP in the future, but lets not piss on my shoes and hand me an umbrella.

take the scales of your eyes my brother! Both have some good quality about themselves, but Christie has more heart. Under the FNM there were some good, but the people suffered and the 2002 general election proved that! Under the five years term of Christie the economy of The Bahamas flourished (even with multiple hurricanes that affected our country, cleaning up the mess that occurred from 1997--2002 by the so-called good governance of the FNM, etc., etc.) certainly proved that they did more than the FNM in a short period of time. And that my brother is a fact!

I am a firm believer in seeing beyond what's in front of me and not taking anything for face value. Many of you here need to take that stance and be true with facts and not try to distort them.

If it was so good under the FNM then why was there a change 2002? Something had to happened then to cause the people to make a change. And let's not talk about this recent election because we all know what occurred there (election court will probably bring that out too), i.e., if an election is not call before that happens.

If it was so good under the FNM then why was there a change 2002?


why did I wait 15 years to vote again, in 2007 .. ;)

Honestly to me doesnt matter who you put in "power" so to speak, still the same government workers from one to the next .. not much if anything changed between them from what I have seen .. now 92 was a major change ... well somewhat .. though when the leaders of this previous gov started making all those caca speeches about white bahamians, that turned me off them .. not Christie yah know .. but then again .. he wasnt the leader .. Fred Mitchel was .. really.

We are not talking about other countries my brother! We are talking about The Bahamas. There are many Urban Renewal programs around the world....and no one country can take credit for it. But if you can make a succession out of it. then that says something.

but arent the FNM and PLP both trying to take credit for it? :confused:

and since violent crime is much higher now than it was in 2002, peeps them beating and stabbing each other every day, how did it succeed? I also wanna know how the FNM think they gonna stop this crime, cause less they get rid of guiness, knives, guns, rap and reggae, its just gonna keep getting worse .. the cops can talk to the kids all night and day, but the kids even beating and stabbing the cops ... i watch it on video all the time .. though perhaps the places I watch just invite the more violent of society :(

dont get me wrong, i wish to gawd the crime will drop one day soon ... :(