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BONJOUR . HELLO ; shalom

my question today is: can a christian hate bin laden? SO what is love ? WHAT about forgivness? PLEASE LET US THINK ABOUT ---

PEACE IN JESUS NAME




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JESUS IS LORD


YOURS FROM FRANCE PATRICK KAPELA

ALL GLORY TO THE LORD JESUS

BONJOUR . HELLO ; shalom

my question today is: can a christian hate bin laden? SO what is love ? WHAT about forgivness? PLEASE LET US THINK ABOUT ---

PEACE IN JESUS NAME




PS : if you need a place you can hear the good news of the heaven and how to growth in the lord; please see REV CEDRIC MOSS MINISTRIES ; god bless you

JESUS IS LORD


YOURS FROM FRANCE PATRICK KAPELA



“Because I do it with one small ship, I am called a terrorist. You do it with a whole fleet and are called an emperor.”
~A pirate, from St. Augustine's "City of God"
Should Moslems hate George Bush?
Should the Jews hate Jesus?
Should the Hindus hate Siddhartha?
I am sure the answer is no in every case, and it should very well be no with Bin Laden.

Why should it be no?
Bin Laden maybe fighting for the very cause of the Christian as well as George Bush maybe fighting for the very cause of the Arabs.

Not true says the Christian, no way Bin Laden can not be fighting for my cause, not possible at all, well they are not alone, many Arabs also feel this way.
But there is also a other side to this equation.
Not true also says the Moslems, no way, George Bush can not be fight for my cause, this is not possible at all, well these Arabs are not alone many Americans also feel this way.

Bin Laden is a civilian fighter.
George Bush is a government (civilian-military) fighter.

Bin Laden is a civilian fighting the government for respect.
George Bush is an authority fighting the civilians for respect.

Bin Laden is breaking the rules.
George Bush is breaking the rules.

Bin Laden is a civilian fighting the terror in authority of the government population.
George Bush is an authority in government fighting the terror in civilian population.

Bin Laden is interfering with the rights of the government.
George Bush is interfering with the rights of the civilians.

Bin Laden is saying fight and you will be honor by Allah and you will die a martyr and go to heaven.
George Bush say fight and you will be honored with medals and if you die you will be a hero.

Bin Laden is a man with the same intention as George Bush to be true or corrupt.
George Bush is a man with the same intention as Bin Laden to be corrupt or true.

Bin Laden scare the hell out of many people, if he can only get his hands on NUKES what will he do?
George Bush scares the hell out of many people; if no one opposes him what will he do with the NUKES?

Bin Laden idea is to live without the fear of governments oppression or not to live at all.
George Bush idea is to live by what I say without opposition or not to live at all.

Bin Laden can relent in his efforts for peace.
George Bush can relent in his methods for peace.

Bin Laden had made concessions with government, he has indicated a clear point to stop terrorism on his part.
George Bush has limited himself and said that he will not negotiate with the civilian to stop terrorism.

Maybe Bin Laden enjoys terrorism because it makes him the world’s biggest figure.
Maybe George Bush likes terrorism because it keeps the people depending on the government.

Bin Laden is out of control and will not be the one to stop the fight.
George Bush has control and should exercise it in ways that can stop the fight.

Bin Laden will die and someone else will pick up the baton and fight the authorities for respect, who will it be? Do the Christians hate that person already?

Does this really sound like a case for hate or a way to stop future wars?

Stop this war and stop future wars

Can a Christian hate Bin Laden? It has been the experience of history that says, superficial Christians are very good at hating, sometimes even the mature ones too!

Should a Christian hate Bin Laden? That is another question best left to the conscience and the depth of one's spiritual maturity - that hopefully, is beyond superficial.

“Because I do it with one small ship, I am called a terrorist. You do it with a whole fleet and are called an emperor.”
~A pirate, from St. Augustine's "City of God"
Should Moslems hate George Bush?
Should the Jews hate Jesus?
Should the Hindus hate Siddhartha?
I am sure the answer is no in every case, and it should very well be no with Bin Laden.

Why should it be no?
Bin Laden maybe fighting for the very cause of the Christian as well as George Bush maybe fighting for the very cause of the Arabs.

Not true says the Christian, no way Bin Laden can not be fighting for my cause, not possible at all, well they are not alone, many Arabs also feel this way.
But there is also a other side to this equation.
Not true also says the Moslems, no way, George Bush can not be fight for my cause, this is not possible at all, well these Arabs are not alone many Americans also feel this way.

Bin Laden is a civilian fighter.
George Bush is a government (civilian-military) fighter.

Bin Laden is a civilian fighting the government for respect.
George Bush is an authority fighting the civilians for respect.

Bin Laden is breaking the rules.
George Bush is breaking the rules.

Bin Laden is a civilian fighting the terror in authority of the government population.
George Bush is an authority in government fighting the terror in civilian population.

Bin Laden is interfering with the rights of the government.
George Bush is interfering with the rights of the civilians.

Bin Laden is saying fight and you will be honor by Allah and you will die a martyr and go to heaven.
George Bush say fight and you will be honored with medals and if you die you will be a hero.

Bin Laden is a man with the same intention as George Bush to be true or corrupt.
George Bush is a man with the same intention as Bin Laden to be corrupt or true.

Bin Laden scare the hell out of many people, if he can only get his hands on NUKES what will he do?
George Bush scares the hell out of many people; if no one opposes him what will he do with the NUKES?

Bin Laden idea is to live without the fear of governments oppression or not to live at all.
George Bush idea is to live by what I say without opposition or not to live at all.

Bin Laden can relent in his efforts for peace.
George Bush can relent in his methods for peace.

Bin Laden had made concessions with government, he has indicated a clear point to stop terrorism on his part.
George Bush has limited himself and said that he will not negotiate with the civilian to stop terrorism.

Maybe Bin Laden enjoys terrorism because it makes him the world’s biggest figure.
Maybe George Bush likes terrorism because it keeps the people depending on the government.

Bin Laden is out of control and will not be the one to stop the fight.
George Bush has control and should exercise it in ways that can stop the fight.

Bin Laden will die and someone else will pick up the baton and fight the authorities for respect, who will it be? Do the Christians hate that person already?

Does this really sound like a case for hate or a way to stop future wars?

Stop this war and stop future wars

Iupdate that is very good comparison, we must condemn hate. As former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said “…let us keep calm and not hate, that is probably what have it this way now…” A Christian can hate Bin Laden and he must decide for himself, one can not hate anyone without hating self. Not all of us will understand this; Jesus and many masters taught LOVE and PEACE when we follow this we will have nothing to hate, hate will be a forgotten thing, something we know not.

It is not right what Bin Laden is doing. But it is also not right what our authorities are doing also, you said this in a few of your articles “Peter is not a bit better than Paul”. It is beginning to look more and more evident to me that this war on terror seems to be an act of drama; it appears there is no real seriousness involved to bring some end or direction to this war on terror. It appears that those who can do nothing about it are more serious than the officials. If our officials choose to end terror I am sure they know what to do.

Not sure, but im a christian and would love to see him sent to hell where he belongs with the rest of his phsycotic followers. An eye for an eye! Self Defence is a drag, but once there are murderous thugs like the muslim fundementalist who want to kill everyone that is not like them, then they must be countered with full force. Give them their darn holy war. Christian Nations have the ultimate power anyway, besides they see anyone defending themselves against them as anti muslim, I cant believe the low IQ level they have. I guess alah forgot to give them all the senses a human is supposed to have.

Strange.
Aren’t preachers always coming out and speaking about bringing every sinner to faith? Don’t you guys believe that the more sinners, the more “lost sons” you bring to the father the better it will be in the world. Why don’t you send preachers over there to the Muslims and Bin Laden, let them convert these “sinners”
An eye for an eye?
First of all I thought that was still in the Old Testament and that Jesus by coming established loved and forgiveness instead? That’s the problem with many Christians-interpret the Bible differently every time just to make a point, no matter if it contradicts past interpretations.
Second of all in retaliation for 3000 Americans, the US already killed at least 10,000 Iraqis and God knows how many Afghanis.
Holy war?
So why not populate heaven? Why kill these guys while they are still sinners and after all, remember, Jesus said “live by the sword, die by the sword” Bin Laden has already included himself in this, now so has America. “Live by the sword, die by the sword” does not mean that Christians have the right to exercise judgment over others in the world, after all “Judge not that you be not judged”. By going and killing whoever starts violence the Christians are just making the cycle of killings longer. Furthermore it is not possible for many of us to hate because there are some of us with so much hate, there is just no more for the rest of us.
Low IQ?
Funny I said that about George Bush and war-supporting Americans. As iupdate said: “Peter is not a bit better then Paul”.

:hot: why hate Bin Laden for all he has done with his connections with terrorrism? we as people cannot get along and hate each other as a result of it. we ourselves are the terrors to each other and not bin laden and the other extreme terrorrists. we have to find a way to set aside differences and create peace. we cannot make peace hating each other, for hating someone else is just really hating yourself. i thought as christians we are suppose to love everyone including our enemies. :angel:

ouch, that font color is blinding. Question, do you love the devil??

ouch, that font color is blinding. Question, do you love the devil??
no i dont love the devil. never have never will but hating someone because he chooses to do evil is not going to solve any problems of this world. God deals with these battles and not humans. things happen everyday because things are out of our control. but we as people cannot continue hate to cease hate. a person must have love in their heart in order to perish violence and hate out together.undefined :angel:

no i dont love the devil. never have never will but hating someone because he chooses to do evil is not going to solve any problems of this world. God deals with these battles and not humans. things happen everyday because things are out of our control. but we as people cannot continue hate to cease hate. a person must have love in their heart in order to perish violence and hate out together.undefined :angel:

AmericanPhemmefatale; that is very very very well said and I have nothing to add to this, I would have answered the same way, the exact way and even perhaps exactly the same words.

AmericanPhemmefatale; that is very very very well said and I have nothing to add to this, I would have answered the same way, the exact way and even perhaps exactly the same words.


:cutie: Well, Thank You.

AmericanPhemmeFatale You have a very clear vision in what you are saying and you seem to really understand a lot. That is, indeed very well said.
Pay no attention to Rory, he does not consider issues that are not in The Bahamas worth his while but for some reason tries to say something even when there is nothing left for him to say.

What is your IQ by the way, and age if you dont mind us asking, you mentioned something about living at home with your dad in another post. Not sure if you are old enough to remember that war, not be right in the middle of it like I was then. Sounds alot to me like you are a Muslim, or from somewhere in the middle east, as you seem to care so much about what happens to the terrorists that kill innocent americans, bahamians, and europeans. Otherwise, why are we even on this subject, this is the side we are on, if you hate us so much, go back to the middle east.

Rory, for reasons beyond my imagination you have now started to direct personal remarks against me.

I care for every person evenly, for the fact of him/her being a human being and I love each one equally and it matters to me what happens to each human being. I answered to you according to the concepts you have brought up from the Bible.

There is currently no reason for me to go to Iraq or to the middle east, because although I am anti-war, the side of the conflict that I support-the resistance is slowly but surely succeeding. The US, however that you so dearly support is failing and you seemed to be very angered by these failures and by anybody who reminds you of them. There fore, it is you who should head to Iraq right now and attempt to help your buddies, the US.

Have you considered my dad living in with me instead of me living in with him? And by the way you claimed not to have gone to the post office for 10 years. Does your mom do it for you?

You should cease calling yourself a Christian as it is obvious you do not practice Christian values or the type of love expected from a Christian in your posts. Christianity is a wonderful concept not of just words but a wonderful exercise and you calling youself one is not sufficient. You must show this exercise in your posts.

BABYLON,the great is fallen,and has become a dwelling place for demons a prison for every foul spirit and a cage for every unclean bird For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.And i heard a loud voice from heaven saying come out of her, my people lest you share in her sins,and lest you share in her plaques.For her sins have reached to heaven,and GOD has remembered her iniquities.In the measure that she glorified her self and lived luxuriously,in the same measure give her torment and sorrow, for she says in her heart,i sit as a queen and am no widow,and will not see sorrow.There fore her plagues shall come in one day death and mourning and famine,and she will be utterly burned with fire,for strong is the LORD GOD who judges her.The kings of the earth who commited fornication with her,standing at a distance for fear of her torment,saying alas,alas,that great city BABYLON,that mighty city for in one hour your judgement has cume.For in one hour such great riches came to nothing.Every ship master,all who travelled by sea,stood at a distance and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning,saying,what is like this great city.Then a mighty angel picked up a stone like a great mill stone and threw it in the sea,saying thus with violence the grea city BABYLON shall be thrown down,and shall not be found any more.blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy and keep those things which are written in it,for the time is near.

BABYLON,the great is fallen,and has become a dwelling place for demons a prison for every foul spirit and a cage for every unclean bird For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.And i heard a loud voice from heaven saying come out of her, my people lest you share in her sins,and lest you share in her plaques.For her sins have reached to heaven,and GOD has remembered her iniquities.In the measure that she glorified her self and lived luxuriously,in the same measure give her torment and sorrow, for she says in her heart,i sit as a queen and am no widow,and will not see sorrow.There fore her plagues shall come in one day death and mourning and famine,and she will be utterly burned with fire,for strong is the LORD GOD who judges her.The kings of the earth who commited fornication with her,standing at a distance for fear of her torment,saying alas,alas,that great city BABYLON,that mighty city for in one hour your judgement has cume.For in one hour such great riches came to nothing.Every ship master,all who travelled by sea,stood at a distance and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning,saying,what is like this great city.Then a mighty angel picked up a stone like a great mill stone and threw it in the sea,saying thus with violence the grea city BABYLON shall be thrown down,and shall not be found any more.blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy and keep those things which are written in it,for the time is near.




I think what you are saying has relevance and truth but your words are scary in the sense that may see a judgment day quicker than one would think. But your point is very clear. :hot: :angel:

AmericanPhemmeFatale You have a very clear vision in what you are saying and you seem to really understand a lot. That is, indeed very well said.
Pay no attention to Rory, he does not consider issues that are not in The Bahamas worth his while but for some reason tries to say something even when there is nothing left for him to say.


Thank you but I think Rory is entitle to his or her own opinion. I'm American and these may bore me most days but we live in a world where living and dying by the sword is survival of the fittest :taped2: . Instead of showing :heartbeat love in our hearts we rather kill each other. Rory thinks someone worships the devil based not seeing that hate is our greatest enemy. I am just 17 years old in my life I had to endure alot and beat the confound statistics place on me by the ignorant people of the world. My only advice is that Rory look to the inside for a spiritual anointing. :angel: