Drawn and quartered for that no way. Its a genuine question. Would you like to meet me. I know of a few that would meet with you and talk openly.

When do you want to try to do this?


Vicky, I will have to think this over. Your response kind of shook me up -- I thought you might have gotten vex about my question! I guess I/we sometimes get an impression of someone which could be wrong.

Vicky, I will have to think this over. Your response kind of shook me up -- I thought you might have gotten vex about my question! I guess I/we sometimes get an impression of someone which could be wrong.

waiting for your response. Do you want a heart to heart talk of not.
You will probably back down because when you add humanity to the demon its harder to hate.

You are right. The Church does not have to recognize such a marriage. I married a Catholic gal! The Catholic Church does not recognize our marriage, but I am not Catholic and my wife is only moderately so - if even that much! Therefore, we don't lose any sleep over it. The State does recognize our marriage, that is what counts. (Strangely enough, for some, the Buddhist "Church" does as well. Generally speaking Buddhist see the uniting of two lives into one as constituting a marriage no matter who performs the ceremony - or for that matter, what faith.)

However, I think that if one is a devoted follower of a faith one must fall in line with its teachings. If the believer cannot in good conscience do that, then he/she should remove themselves from that faith (or form their own with a new understanding. It has been done before! Luther, King Henry to name a few.)

As for the Church practicing marriage before the State. Remember, that at one time the Church was the State! It seems that some (particularly the Christian Council) still thinks so.



Do buddhists allow same sex marriages then?
And do they actually conduct the cerimony?
Just curious, and ignorant
:uh:

i still hate the thought of homosexual marriage...
but the it is only fair to all citezens to have equal rights due to their circumstances....

*i guess it would be fair to let them marry outside of a church so they could be automatically given 'marriage' rights that they want

now a counter debate, if i were in government, would be to impress upon the issue that

1 homosexual marriage is an institution that is fruitless in nature, and would have no neccesary meaning other than sexual gratification and nothing more, due to the fact that homosexuals can not reproduce, and would lead to the decay of the natural order of life.

*this statement is not very clear

2 homosexual marriage does not protect the interest of the growth and strengthening of the community through ethical and natural means, as homosexual adoption, and unethical and uneccesary invitro fertilization is not an answer to self serving interests, as a child is at stake, and to protect that child from a beggining that can be detrimental to personal and natural development , shpuld be of interest first and foremost along with community building. along with the cheapening of an individual and of a stem cell embryo.

*somewhat true, and I personally would not allow same sex married persons to adopt a child for any reason, or for that matter, would not permit them to marry into a same sex marriage if they already had a child. Something about 2 women or 2 men raising a child just don't seem rational to me - since they can't have children with one another - and we know the problems that will occur when the baby's father or mother wants to see their child.

two strong planks if brought the issue of homosexual marriage, and homosexual adoption i would go with if i were a government wishing to preserve natural order, and wishing to go with a morality aspect of the debate.

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I choose to live by the teachings of Christ (aka the words in red) all the rest of the Bible are not the teachings of Christ and there for only history and the writings and opinions of Paul a man that never knew Christ who walked the earth. I am not a paulist I do not practice paulianity
Y2kbad not Christian law. Christ never said 1 thing not 1 in reference to homosexuality. I might be wrong but I don't think Christ said that anything he taught was a law.


The bible was writen by men not Jesus, how are you certain that th parts colored red are Jesus' words with all the modifications the bible has endured.

Also, the commandments and laws of the old testament or scriptures, were given by God either directly or by inspiration from God - many of the words in Genesis chapters 1-3 were spoken by God but recorded by man, just as Jesus' words were spoken by him but later recorded by man. So I still stick by my words when I say you can't choose parts of the bible to model your life after.

That's why a lot of the rules laid out in the old testament are supported by our lawmakers.

further ...

per·se·cute
(see http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=persecution)
1. To oppress or harass with ill-treatment, especially because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs.
2. To annoy persistently; bother.

the gblt community is not persecuted by society, society in general does not opress/harass/ill-treat or persistently annoy or bother you guys.

on the contrary it is the gblt community that constantly annoys society.

of course there are persons that have strong resentment for the gblt community and will even go as far as physically harming them - but that where equal rights steps in and you can take them to court, they don't have rights to persecute you. We even provide the ability for you to express how you have been persecuted in our courts and if you are really being persecuted then the courts will deal with the persecutors.

per·se·cute
(see http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=persecution)
1. To oppress or harass with ill-treatment, especially because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs.
2. To annoy persistently; bother.

the gblt community is not persecuted by society, society in general does not opress/harass/ill-treat or persistently annoy or bother you guys.

of course there are persons that have strong resentment for the gblt community and will even go as far as physically harming them

Sounds a little contradictory, doesn't it? Yes, there are rights in place to protect the glbt community from harrassment, and those rights extend to everyone, since the glbt community is not the only group subjected to persecution.

Do buddhists allow same sex marriages then?
And do they actually conduct the cerimony?
Just curious, and ignorant
:uh:

A complicated question that needs a "yes and no" answer. This site, http://www.floatinglotus.com/tmot/gayweddings.html gives you a view of how it is handled in one country, Thailand. However, this site might make matters more clouded. Here is an excerpt from that site.

"There is no Buddhist wedding ceremony. In fact, monks are not directly involved in traditional Thai weddings. Their function is not even to bless marriages, and there is no religious sanctioning of the union......".

Generally speaking, Buddhism believes that marriage (as we know it today) is a State thing. If one is married in a Christian Church, it is only a legal marriage if the Minister is a licences marriage officer - licenced by the State! So when the Christian Priest signs the marriage documents he is an agent of the State for that moment.

Few Buddhist Priests are licenced. Therefore, they cannot do a legal marriage - any more that a non licences Christian Priest can. Buddhist Priests can do a Merit Ceremony, before or after, the State steps in. In that case, Buddhism can sanction a gay marriage but only as far as a Merit Ceremony is concerned - which is all a "straight" couple would get in most "denominations" of Buddhism. But it is not a legal union, any more than a "straight" union is until the State puts its stamp on it. If you really think about it a Christian marriage ceremony is not a legal ceremony but a religious one. It is kind of like a Merit Ceremony too!

Here is another site that might offer more about Buddhist Weddings. http://www.buddhanet.net/funeral.htm

I hope that answers your question. Or have I made matters more complicated?

I see everyone has weighed in on this. Here's my two cents. I want to dispel the myth that the devil has control over man. God has given man free will to do whatever they feel they want to do. He has also given us orders and consequences in order to help us find the right path and to keep us in check. The devil just whispers evil things, such as sin, into our ear to get us to deviate from the path to righteousness. I am not Muslim but I shall take a saying from the Quran stating that man will try to blame Shaytan (satan or the devil) for their acts of wickedness...Shaytan will deny these accusations and tell God (Allah, Jehovah or whatever you want to call out Heavenly Father) that he only suggested that you do that so that you will feel good temporarily and he (the devil) will remind you of the free will given to you by our Lord God. Remember, Adam and Eve didn't have to eat the apple that the devil coaxed them into eating, but they did it anyway because it felt good. In the process, they disobeyed God and had to face the consequences of their action.

Now I will elaborate on the homosexual marriage thing. I personally believe that homosexually is a choice that someone make themselves seeing how God has given us free will. If they want to marry, even though I am against homosexuallity and don't believe in it, I cannot stop them from marrying if the law allows them to. In that, they (the homosexuals) will have to face consequences of their own. I saw nowhere where homosexuallity was a sin, but as I believe, just as Muslims, Christians and Jews believe, God has fitted us with a sort of moral compass that eventually will cause some humans to find God and find truth. My moral compass tells me that homosexuallity is wrong, but then again I am a man with my own convictions.

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The fire will burn as long as you continue to seek knowledge...

The bible was writen by men not Jesus, how are you certain that th parts colored red are Jesus' words with all the modifications the bible has endured.
I know this that is why I say the Bible is not the only sorce of the Creators word.
Also, the commandments and laws of the old testament or scriptures, were given by God either directly or by inspiration from God - many of the words in Genesis chapters 1-3 were spoken by God but recorded by man, just as Jesus' words were spoken by him but later recorded by man. So I still stick by my words when I say you can't choose parts of the bible to model your life after.
Christ came and taught a new way to live.
Matthew 22
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

That's why a lot of the rules laid out in the old testament are supported by our lawmakers.
Just as blind and brain washed as the law makers before them. Blind and brain washed by the church.

further ...

per·se·cute
(see http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=persecution)
1. To oppress or harass with ill-treatment, especially because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs.
2. To annoy persistently; bother.

the gblt community is not persecuted by society, society in general does not opress/harass/ill-treat or persistently annoy or bother you guys.

on the contrary it is the gblt community that constantly annoys society.[/QUOTE]
Lies lies.
Please tell how we annoy the community.
of course there are persons that have strong resentment for the gblt community and will even go as far as physically harming them - but that where equal rights steps in and you can take them to court, they don't have rights to persecute you. We even provide the ability for you to express how you have been persecuted in our courts and if you are really being persecuted then the courts will deal with the persecutors.

What you say about the law in the Bahamas is true.
But the protest of the gay cruise was a persecution of gays.
per·se·cute
(see http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=persecution)
1. To oppress or harass with ill-treatment, especially because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs.
2. To annoy persistently; bother.
We have a member that was fired from his job (in a round about way) because he came out.
There was a 14-year-old trany that was raped and when he/she went to report it he/she was treated as the criminal. He/she was even dragged into the bathroom and was about to be beaten up when the trany said I know your number even though you have taken them off. I will report you for this.
When it went to court it’s was a joke the trany was humiliated beyond belief for being a victim. It was so bad that the judge finally had to put a stop to it.
Also why are GLBT so afraid to be known? The law does not protect us as it is.

I see everyone has weighed in on this. Here's my two cents. I want to dispel the myth that the devil has control over man. God has given man free will to do whatever they feel they want to do. He has also given us orders and consequences in order to help us find the right path and to keep us in check. The devil just whispers evil things, such as sin, into our ear to get us to deviate from the path to righteousness. I am not Muslim but I shall take a saying from the Quran stating that man will try to blame Shaytan (satan or the devil) for their acts of wickedness...Shaytan will deny these accusations and tell God (Allah, Jehovah or whatever you want to call out Heavenly Father) that he only suggested that you do that so that you will feel good temporarily and he (the devil) will remind you of the free will given to you by our Lord God. Remember, Adam and Eve didn't have to eat the apple that the devil coaxed them into eating, but they did it anyway because it felt good. In the process, they disobeyed God and had to face the consequences of their action.

Now I will elaborate on the homosexual marriage thing. I personally believe that homosexually is a choice that someone make themselves seeing how God has given us free will. If they want to marry, even though I am against homosexuallity and don't believe in it, I cannot stop them from marrying if the law allows them to. In that, they (the homosexuals) will have to face consequences of their own. I saw nowhere where homosexuallity was a sin, but as I believe, just as Muslims, Christians and Jews believe, God has fitted us with a sort of moral compass that eventually will cause some humans to find God and find truth. My moral compass tells me that homosexuallity is wrong, but then again I am a man with my own convictions.

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The fire will burn as long as you continue to seek knowledge...


I will ask this question that I ask many
When and how did you choose to be heterosexual?

It would be such a nice country at that. Were people can be them selves with out having to be hypocrites. We everyone’s religion and creed is the right one. Dignity and equal human rights for all. Yes I have a dream. Were you do love you neighbor (not sexually as some would imply). Were you are your brother/sisters keeper. A country were the leaders make sure every house holds pot has meat (a native American custom) before they can go home and eat. A place were we would treat everyone just as we our selves would want to be treated.
I would leave on the next thing going in that direction.

America is close, but Canada may be better and also has a lower crime rate

And you all could stay right here and discriminate and hate each other for every difference you can think of.

helping each other see their flaws can only help humanity evolve. allowing everyone to do as they please as long as it does not phisically or mentally hurt others will reduce us to 'harmless' animals

Because when you no longer have us to hate and blame for your ills you will look for some other type of person to make less human.

Please list the ills we hate and blame the GBLT community for. And I beleive it is a human duty to teach other humans to be civilized, and morally upright - every human should strive to be righteous.

But because that is only a dream and this is our country to:
We’er here we’re queer get used to it.

Queers have been here from the beginning of time, and probably will never go away - just like prostitutes and murderers, but no one will get used these people ever.



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I know this that is why I say the Bible is not the only sorce of the Creators word.

*then how can you say it is not the only source and still only follow Jesus' words from the bible that was not written by Jesus and reject the rest of the bible teachings?

Just as blind and brain washed as the law makers before them. Blind and brain washed by the church.

*the law makers need the church's input before they pass/modify laws. If it were not so why doesn't the law just ignoe the church's input?

on the contrary it is the gblt community that constantly annoys society.

Please tell how we annoy the community.

*by constantly demanding equal rights - when you already have equal rights.
*you want us to give you marriage, then when we say no, you say ok how about civil unions?
*you want to adopt children, instead of making your own, and teach them to love everyone - even when they are clearly going against God's rules for mankind.


What you say about the law in the Bahamas is true.

*wow, you actually agree!

But the protest of the gay cruise was a persecution of gays.
per·se·cute
(see http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=persecution)
1. To oppress or harass with ill-treatment, especially because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs.
2. To annoy persistently; bother.

*i don't see how protest equates to persecution, besides I already said, some people will display their dislike for you. If it was a boat full of known murderers
I guarantee you that a small portion of the Bahamas would have turned up, it was not the whole or even most of the bahamian people - some people will object to Jesus coming back and turn up to tell him go away - they don't represent the bahamas as a whole.

We have a member that was fired from his job (in a round about way) because he came out.

*same as above, not typical.

There was a 14-year-old trany that was raped and when he/she went to report it he/she was treated as the criminal. He/she was even dragged into the bathroom and was about to be beaten up when the trany said I know your number even though you have taken them off. I will report you for this.
When it went to court it’s was a joke the trany was humiliated beyond belief for being a victim. It was so bad that the judge finally had to put a stop to it.

*same as above again, and that should not stop the victim from seeking justice, he/she should have gotten the judges number as well, and continue to seek justice.

Also why are GLBT so afraid to be known? The law does not protect us as it is.

*can you substantiate this claim or are you talking about a few incendents that went wrong again?

Please tell how we annoy the community.

*by constantly demanding equal rights - when you already have equal rights. is it wrong to want to be treated equaly. Please watch Missipppi Burning.just saw in on cable watch iron Jawed Angles
*you want us to give you marriage, then when we say no, you say ok how about civil unions? Equality under the law no mater what you call it it's still equal.
*you want to adopt children, instead of making your own, and teach them to love everyone - even when they are clearly going against God's rules for mankind.
The Creators rules under which religion. There are religions out there that accept and honor same sex coupling.
Beside which religion would set the law. Just think of the Taliban. Law should be based on humanity not someones faith.

What you say about the law in the Bahamas is true.

*wow, you actually agree!
If someone attack's your child they should be punised yes???
How would you feel if someone attacks your child because he or she has green eyes. This attacker is known to hate people with green eyes. What then????

But the protest of the gay cruise was a persecution of gays.
per·se·cute
(see http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=persecution)
1. To oppress or harass with ill-treatment, especially because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs.
2. To annoy persistently; bother.

*i don't see how protest equates to persecution, besides I already said, some people will display their dislike for you. If it was a boat full of known murderers
I guarantee you that a small portion of the Bahamas would have turned up, it was not the whole or even most of the bahamian people - some people will object to Jesus coming back and turn up to tell him go away - they don't represent the bahamas as a whole.
per·se·cute
(see http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=persecution)
1. To oppress or harass with ill-treatment, especially because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs.
2. To annoy persistently; bother.
Did you see the ZNS report that night? They left the protest area marched up and down Bay Street chasing and threatening the GLBT
I was even pointed out by on of the protesters and if I did not stand up for my self I am sure I would have been hassled. But I turned around and went face to face with the person that pointed me out. And in her little crowd around her I talked to her and put her in her place. When I left I heard the people laugh at her and say he made a fool of you. I identified my self as a male as she thought my wife and I were 2 women holding hands and kissing in public.

We have a member that was fired from his job (in a round about way) because he came out.

*same as above, not typical.

There was a 14-year-old trany that was raped and when he/she went to report it he/she was treated as the criminal. He/she was even dragged into the bathroom and was about to be beaten up when the trany said I know your number even though you have taken them off. I will report you for this.
When it went to court it’s was a joke the trany was humiliated beyond belief for being a victim. It was so bad that the judge finally had to put a stop to it.

*same as above again, and that should not stop the victim from seeking justice, he/she should have gotten the judges number as well, and continue to seek justice.

Also why are GLBT so afraid to be known? The law does not protect us as it is.

*can you substantiate this claim or are you talking about a few incendents that went wrong again?
I ref. you the above case of the 14 year old. His mother threw him/her out on the street so he/she had to survive. There is no government social service for GLBT in need. The 14 year old crawled under a rock in shame who can he/she turn to if even the judge only put a stop to the things going on in the court, had to be stopped to keep order. Not stopped to give the victim dignity. I wish they had allowed me in with a video camera so I could sent it around the world.

When you don't put your self in a position to hear the complantes and cries for help you will not hear them will you. They are not a few incendents.
there is a law that states no same sex in public. Why does it not say no sex in public????This is wrong and unequal.

from Thread "Christians stole Christmas
BSM reply to Vicky

Originally Posted by Vicky
Maybe you don't know your history very much. Homosexual union was very common just not amoungst the jews. Many cultuers past and present accepted homosecual union. Look at the Roman and Greek history. Watch the movie Alexander.

http://www.gayheroes.com/alex.htm
King of Macedonia and conqueror of the world, he overthrew the Persian Empire and extended his rule from Greece to Egypt and all the way to India.

Alexander's achievement laid the foundation for the Hellenistic world, the Roman Empire, and even the spread of Christianity: all the New Testament writings were in Greek as a result of Alexander's influence.

2,300 years ago men in Greece had wives, mistresses, and lovers of either gender. Alexander's father, Philip of Macedon, had male lovers and also many wives, a problem when half-brothers would fight to the death over the throne. Alexander refused to marry and beget an heir when he left Macedon to conquer the world.

How about King James.
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/histo..._james_gay.html
How many folks know that King James (who commissioned the King James Bible and to whom it was dedicated) loved men and had sex with them? At the age of thirteen James fell madly in love with his male cousin Esme Stuart whom he made Duke of Lennox. James deferred to Esme to the consternation of his ministers. In 1582 James was kidnapped and forced to issue a proclamation against his lover and send him back to France.

Now this one blew me away
http://www.gayheroes.com/paul.htm
Who in their right mind would ever think that St. Paul, Apostle to the Gentiles, writer of Epistles used by Christians to condemn gay people for centuries, might himself be gay?


bsmbahamas hope you don't think I would not respond to this.
If gay marriages were so popular, and perhas preceded the nations that allowed the bible to be produced in the first place it only reiterates my point;What point is that? Maybe the point that gay marriage is still being practiced to this day? Just look into the American Indians. Their religion was pretty much unwritten and gay unions were an honored status. The American Indian were the dominant people of the new world. What happened to them????? HHHhmmm Christianity at the end of a gun or sword. Most of the peoples/communities that practiced same sex marriage were not White European Christians so they were just killed off in the name of Christ. HHHHmMMMM go figure
Jesus said those who break the least commandments and teaches other to do so *will be* the least *in the kingdom of heaven* - notice too, that heaven is not being referred to as 'in us' but as an external place that is yet to come.[QUOTE=bsmbahamas]
Don't you get tired of repeating you self.
Matthew 5:16-20 (King James Version)
16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
The law was fulfilled on Christ’s death. We now live under Christ Law/rules/grace/covenants.

What did Christ him self say about homosexuality?????

[QUOTE=bsmbahamas]Are you actually saying that the people who practiced homosexuality were getting married - and then they stopped the marriages - and even produced a bible that forbids homosexuality? (talk about biting the hand that feeds you) Much of our history is destroyed by rulers that want people ignorant so they have more control. Much of the Christian gay marriage documents would have been destroyed. But have a read of this site take some time and lookup St. Serge and St. Bacchus,.
http://www.libchrist.com/other/homo...rriagerite.html
I don't know about King James, but the site says that there is no way to prove St. Paul was gay - and even if it did prove it, what would be the difference?
Hypocrisy
I told you already there is nothing wrong with being gay it is just as natural as lusting after a women, the point is both St. Paul via his writings and King James by commissioning the Bible actually are voting against the practice.
It says hypocrites to me. Oh and by the way what did Christ think/say about hypocrites.
You can't prevent people from being gay - or stealing or lying or Here you go again linking homosexuality with things people choose to do. No one chooses to be homosexual. lusting, etc - but it is wrong to teach others that same sex marriage should be permitted when the bible says that God does not approve of homosexuality.

Unfortunately, you don't believe in God of the bible, you believe in a Creator.
And you don’t believe in the Creator? Guess the God of the Bible is not the Creator. The only difference between your faith and mine is you believe the Bible is the unaltered and only word of the Creator. I say the Creator is called by many names and has many messengers. Lets not forget history proves the Bible and Christianity is altered and influenced by humans for greed and power.
The bible speaks against homosexuality in plain english - so you simply reject that part of the bible Oh and you live by all the laws in the Bible?????? (Yeah right said in a very disbelieving tone) , instead of arguing about what a 'eunuch' is because it is spelt out too plainly for argument. Maybe you can’t grasp that what we now call ambiguous sex and the medical discoveries and links there in as eunuch, but I do. You can believe the world is flat all you want I don’t have a problem with that. Just don’t try and tell me that it’s ok to make other people less equal Just because of what you believe. How would this world we live in be if the laws and physics and anything else tried to work with the belief the world was flat. Gee we would not even have the World Wide Web. Because the satellites would not orbit a flat earth with 4 corners as it is stated in the Bible
· Isaiah 11:12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth

Revelation 7:1
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

With your belief in the Bible as the unaltered word of the Creator it is clear the earth is flat, square, or rectangle but not a rounded glob.
St. Paul, gay or not, never seemed to be married to another gay man and actually taught against it. You can be gay and get saved, and then work on it - but how can you not act out homosexual acts when you are married to another man?

It is sorta like sending a rapist to a strip club for therapy.

Bottom line is if there ever were same sex marriages, http://www.qrd.org/qrd/religion/judeochristian/xtian.marriage.rites
They seemed to have been halted, Not so you just don’t see them. We have even had same sex unions here in the Bahamas. I know of a same sex couple planning their union ceremony right now. The couples have promised to be with and love each other forever. If my wife and I take oath that we are a couple and will love one and other till we die and we promise this to each other and the Creator are we any less married? and still are taboo to this day. God forbids it and provided marriage for a man and a woman you are always leaving out context to try and make the Bible say what you want it to say. You are not saying Christ was being asked about divorce between a man and a woman. There for he was responding to a question about man and woman. If you are asked a question about fish are you going to respond referencing elephants? - hence Jesus spoke of divorce between man and a woman - which God also does not approve of(Jesus didn't approve of it either apparently).



this thread is not for the homo/SSM debate, so let's stick to the topic.

No one chooses to be homosexual.


One quick thought here. I know of instances where people were fed up with the opposite sex and decided to date the same sex out of frustration and disappointment in the opposite sex due to past experiences. These people would say that they chose to date the same sex because they were tired of the bad relationships they were having with the opposite sex, not that they were born that way. They just refused to ever date the opposite sex again and were willing to try same sex relationships.

Just to say that people can choose to be homosexual.
Also, people can choose to be blind, deaf, dumb, crippled as well. I can poke myself in my eye with a screwdriver, burst my eardrum, cut out my tongue, break/cut off my legs, if for some reason I chose to. Is there a logical reason for it? I can't think of any. But there is actually a condition for people who continue to harm themselves and inflict injury just so that people can feel sorry for them (can't remember it.....I'll find it later). For whatever reason they have, people choose to put themselves in these circumstances. Some choose to live a challenging life, maybe as a test of their faith, who knows.....but some are just flat out crazy too.

Bottom line, to counter any claims that being homosexual is like being born blind or deaf, etc., those conditions are considered handicaps, disabilities, retardations. To put homosexuality in class with those conditions mean that homosexuality is also a handicap, or an illness. These illnesses are things people can be born with, other things are chosen. People are born with diseases, handicaps and illnesses...some can develop later on as well, and some can be the result of a bad lifestyle/ consistent activities detrimental to a person's health. (eg. smoking -cancer; alchoholism - liver disease; fatty foods - heart problems; excessive loud music/noises - deafness; etc.)

I chose to be heterosexual when I realized that I would not be able to bring forth children of my own; when I realized homosexual activity for me would mean anal sex, receiving/giving and the pain I would have to suffer through it; when I realized that the male body was not designed to facilitate intercourse with another male; when I realized how beautiful the opposite sex was, and how they were designed for especially for me. These are some reasons why I chose to remain a heterosexual, and always will be.

Freedom to decide lies within all of us, and we are accountable for ourselves and our decisions, in how they affect ourselves, and society.