It says hypocrites to me. Oh and by the way what did Christ think/say about hypocrites.


Commiting sin is not hypocratic - especially if you teaching others not to do as you do.


Here you go again linking homosexuality with things people choose to do. No one chooses to be homosexual.


No, there you go putting words into my mouth, I never said it was a choice.


I told you already there is nothing wrong with being gay it is just as natural as lusting after a women, the point is both St. Paul via his writings and King James by commissioning the Bible actually are voting against the practice.
You can't prevent people from being gay - or stealing or lying or lusting


does my quote above sound like choice or tendency? I know I don't choose to lust when I see an attractive female - it just tends to happen. But I don't go around teaching everyone that lusting is natural so we should be free to lust all we want as long as we don't harm nobody.



And you don’t believe in the Creator? Guess the God of the Bible is not the Creator.


he is more than just the creator, he is God, creator is a limiting title. And while we are on the subject - he is always referred to as Father as in male not mother as in mother nature as many pagans believe in a female god/s.


Just don’t try and tell me that it’s ok to make other people less equal Just because of what you believe.


I never said it was ok, nor do i teach others that it is ok, I merely state that equality for all will forever be a dream - because it does not happen because of law, it comes from the hearts of men - and ends up being made into law.


With your belief in the Bible as the unaltered word of the Creator it is clear the earth is flat, square, or rectangle but not a rounded globe.


lol. it is round vicky, the bible suggests that it is round to.


Not so you just don’t see them. We have even had same sex unions here in the Bahamas. I know of a same sex couple planning their union ceremony right now. The couples have promised to be with and love each other forever. If my wife and I take oath that we are a couple and will love one and other till we die and we promise this to each other and the Creator are we any less married?


well I hope you told them that they are breaking the law. lol.

One quick thought here. I know of instances where people were fed up with the opposite sex and decided to date the same sex out of frustration and disappointment in the opposite sex due to past experiences. These people would say that they chose to date the same sex because they were tired of the bad relationships they were having with the opposite sex, not that they were born that way. They just refused to ever date the opposite sex again and were willing to try same sex relationships.
Here you have said something that proves it’s inborn. Here you have people that have tried opposite sex relations and could not get it to work out. Why????
Because they were homosexual Duh. And just saying they are tired of the frustration and disappointment in the opposite sex due to past experiences. Is how they think people will excuse them? I know some of them as well. They were always homosexual. It would be like me telling everyone that I don't like the way male cloths look they all look the same so I am going to wear women’s cloths.
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Just to say that people can choose to be homosexual.
Also, people can choose to be blind, deaf, dumb, crippled as well. I can poke myself in my eye with a screwdriver, burst my eardrum, cut out my tongue, break/cut off my legs, if for some reason I chose to. Is there a logical reason for it? I can't think of any. But there is actually a condition for people who continue to harm themselves and inflict injury just so that people can feel sorry for them (can't remember it.....I'll find it later). For whatever reason they have, people choose to put themselves in these circumstances. Some choose to live a challenging life, maybe as a test of their faith, who knows.....but some are just flat out crazy too.

Bottom line, to counter any claims that being homosexual is like being born blind or deaf, etc., those conditions are considered handicaps, disabilities, retardations. To put homosexuality in class with those conditions mean that homosexuality is also a handicap, or an illness. These illnesses are things people can be born with, other things are chosen. People are born with diseases, handicaps and illnesses...some can develop later on as well, and some can be the result of a bad lifestyle/ consistent activities detrimental to a person's health. (eg. smoking -cancer; alchoholism - liver disease; fatty foods - heart problems; excessive loud music/noises - deafness; etc.)

I chose to be heterosexual when I realized that I would not be able to bring forth children of my own; when I realized homosexual activity for me would mean anal sex, receiving/giving and the pain I would have to suffer through it;[QUOTE=Rizzo] So know you know about anal sex. Think you better check into it a bit. Majority of people that recive anal sex say it better than regular sex. As I under stand it once you relax the muscle there is no pain. They say the orgasims are much more intence and rapid in achiving over and over again. [QUOTE=Rizzo] when I realized that the male body was not designed to facilitate intercourse with another male; How is it many women enjoy anal sex. Seems to me you think the only sexual experience homosexuals have is anal. Guess you have never heard of oral and masturbation. You only list male homosexuality how about lesbians sex. when I realized how beautiful the opposite sex was, and how they were designed for especially for me. These are some reasons why I chose to remain a heterosexual, and always will be. Cool. But take sex out of the issue. Can you kiss a man? I mean really kiss him as you would a woman???? That would be easy for you bto do right?There is no pain.

Freedom to decide lies within all of us, and we are accountable for ourselves and our decisions, in how they affect ourselves, and society.

I didn't say that they weren't able to get them to work...I said they had bad experiences. They were not the cause of the relationship going sour....their partners were the ones doing the wrong....cheating and abuse etc., that doesn't mean or prove they were born gay.....they just always got involved with the wrong partners who took advantage of them, so they felt that they could not trust the opposite sex anymore but wanted a companion so they went with the opposite sex. - Maybe the ones you know were always homosexual.....but I'm not speaking of those persons -

I know of the various types of 'sex' but they'll never be able to have sexual intercourse....because a vagina is not involved. And I would not wanna go through my like only having oral sex or masturbation as a means of gratification. And I didn't mention lesbian sex because I was speaking for myself as a male. The same applies for females. And how is it that most women dislike anal sex? That is the flipside of your question.....alot may like it...but much much more don't. Anal sex has many damaging effects on the body, and impairs a person's ability to perform some objectives; resulting often in surgery to repair the damage that was done.

It is possible for same sexes to kiss....but I can kiss an animal too.....no pain or difficulty in that...and some probably have better tongue action too... :lafs: And this has no relevance to the discussion from the points I brought up.

Don't forget the other points I threw in, that you seem to be neglecting, and trying to take sex out of the discussion doesn't do anything but put it on the back burner to boil over. It is an integral part in the majority of any relationship...homosexual or heterosexual.

Commiting sin is not hypocratic - especially if you teaching others not to do as you do.
hy·poc·ri·sy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-pkr-s)
n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2. An act or instance of such falseness

hyp·o·crite ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hp-krt)
n.
A person given to hypocrisy.

No, there you go putting words into my mouth, I never said it was a choice.
Ok greate its not a choice. Now the color of your eyes is not a choice. Change the color of your eyes.


does my quote above sound like choice or tendency? I know I don't choose to lust when I see an attractive female - it just tends to happen. But I don't go around teaching everyone that lusting is natural so we should be free to lust all we want as long as we don't harm nobody. Ah but lust is natural.
lust ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lst)
n. 1. Intense or unrestrained sexual craving.
2. 1. An overwhelming desire or craving: a lust for power.
2. Intense eagerness or enthusiasm: a lust for life.
3. Obsolete. Pleasure; relish.
To have an intense or obsessive desire, especially one that is sexual.
What is it that drives use to mate. Lust. What is it that fuels your sex dive?





he is more than just the creator, he is God, creator is a limiting title. And while we are on the subject - he is always referred to as Father as in male not mother as in mother nature as many pagans believe in a female god/s. The Creator is not male or female. The referance to Father or male is because females were concederd less than, they were like Chattel
chat·tel ( P ) Pronunciation Key (chtl)
n.
1. Law. An article of movable personal property.
2. A slave.
The Creator or God as you say could not be chattel now could he/she.



I never said it was ok, nor do i teach others that it is ok, I merely state that equality for all will forever be a dream - because it does not happen because of law, it comes from the hearts of men - and ends up being made into law.
So until people stand and speak up about inequality things will stay the same. Should things have stayed the same before the Civil war???


lol. it is round vicky, the bible suggests that it is round to.[QUOTE=bsmbahamas]a suggestion is not the same as a statment. But I say anyway Prove it. [QUOTE=bsmbahamas]


well I hope you told them that they are breaking the law. lol.

I am glad you put LOL.

I didn't say that they weren't able to get them to work...I said they had bad experiences. They were not the cause of the relationship going sour....their partners were the ones doing the wrong....cheating and abuse etc., that doesn't mean or prove they were born gay.....they just always got involved with the wrong partners who took advantage of them, so they felt that they could not trust the opposite sex anymore but wanted a companion so they went with the opposite sex. - Maybe the ones you know were always homosexual.....but I'm not speaking of those persons -

I know of the various types of 'sex' but they'll never be able to have sexual intercourse....because a vagina is not involved. And I would not wanna go through my like only having oral sex or masturbation as a means of gratification. And I didn't mention lesbian sex because I was speaking for myself as a male. The same applies for females. And how is it that most women dislike anal sex? That is the flipside of your question.....alot may like it...but much much more don't. Anal sex has many damaging effects on the body, and impairs a person's ability to perform some objectives; resulting often in surgery to repair the damage that was done.

It is possible for same sexes to kiss....but I can kiss an animal too.....no pain or difficulty in that...and some probably have better tongue action too... :lafs: And this has no relevance to the discussion from the points I brought up.
Rizzo you can skirt the question all you like. But you cannot romantically kiss another man and enjoy it. It’s not in you, its not who you are, Its not your orientation. I know I can't romantically kiss a man and enjoy it. It's in me, it's not who I am, Its not my orientation. I speak from experience, long long ago late teen I guess I kissed a guy first and last time. I knew at that moment I was not homosexual for sure. I still get a yuk feeling when I think about it. It’s just not for me.
Don't forget the other points I threw in, that you seem to be neglecting, and trying to take sex out of the discussion doesn't do anything but put it on the back burner to boil over. It is an integral part in the majority of any relationship...homosexual or heterosexual.

Sexual attraction is the first and most driving attraction in majority of humans. But it most defiantly does not equal love and a long-term relationship.

gays should not get married in a predominantly christian nation!

gays should not get married in a predominantly christian nation!

So you are saying just because the Bahamas is a "predominantly Christian nation" this mean Christian rules, morals, faith, policies and way of life Should be forced by law on those that live in the Bahamas but don't live by Christian rules, morals, faith, policies and way of life?


yes or no

this may sound messed up, but religion is the cause of alot of evil in the world today!

*by constantly demanding equal rights - when you already have equal rights.
Obviously not equal, if you don't recognize their marriages or have an desire to.
*you want us to give you marriage, then when we say no, you say ok how about civil unions?The fact that they have to ask for it tells you that it is a right not afforded to them as it is to you.
*you want to adopt children, instead of making your own, and teach them to love everyone - even when they are clearly going against God's rules for mankind..Yes, they desire to adopt, perhaps some people should attend to the children ALREADY in this world with no one to care for them save The Ranfurly Home. You would deprive these children the opportunity afforded to them just because of YOUR beliefs. Where is the equality in that?


i don't see how protest equates to persecution, besides I already said, some people will display their dislike for you.
Protest equates to persecution when it is done to persecute. Homosexuality is NOT one of the Ten commandments, yet it is protested against. Stealing IS one of the Ten Commandments, where are the protests? Observance of The Sabbath day...where are the protests? Having graven images...where are the Christian protests for the Queen Victoria and Milo Butler statues?
If it was a boat full of known murderers What, you mean like Australia? By the way, how are relations between The Bahamas and Australia?
Find it here Perhaps? (http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/bahamas/bahamas_brief.html)
I guarantee you that a small portion of the Bahamas would have turned up,They would turn up if there wasn't something in it for them. Kinda like the way some (if not most) Bahamians entertain the notion of the Haitian crisis, as they see it as a way to introduce a new social class. I see no Christian protests when an industrious Haitian is landscaping someone's yard.


can you substantiate this claim or are you talking about a few incendents that went wrong again?
You can. Spend a week telling your family members that you are gay, see how they support you.
Go out to the fish fry and tell a random Bahamian man that you are gay, see how your fellow Bahamian supports you.
Tell your closest male friends that you are really gay, spend a week hanging out ONLY with your gay friends.
Dress flamboyantly, get a perm, walk with a limp wrist, talk with a lisp...cater to all the preconceived notions as to what a gay person is thought of to be.

This is the closest you would ever come to understanding what someone who is gay goes through. Walk a week in their clothes, and even after that week is over and done with, I'd bet you you'd never be seen the same way again.

And another thing, I hear constantly the argument over man and man getting married, but I have YET to hear one raise the issue of "degree of relation as it pertains to marriage"...Perhaps marrying one's cousin is an acceptable inordinate fashion these days, or are we too focused on "the gays"?
How many Bahamian men go to the archives and/or trace their fiancee's family history before getting married? Shame and scandal in the family was so "80's."

this may sound messed up, but religion is the cause of alot of evil in the world today!

You have said a mouth full.

Obviously not equal, if you don't recognize their marriages or have an desire to.
The fact that they have to ask for it tells you that it is a right not afforded to them as it is to you.
Yes, they desire to adopt, perhaps some people should attend to the children ALREADY in this world with no one to care for them save The Ranfurly Home. You would deprive these children the opportunity afforded to them just because of YOUR beliefs. Where is the equality in that?



Protest equates to persecution when it is done to persecute. Homosexuality is NOT one of the Ten commandments, yet it is protested against. Stealing IS one of the Ten Commandments, where are the protests? Observance of The Sabbath day...where are the protests? Having graven images...where are the Christian protests for the Queen Victoria and Milo Butler statues?
What, you mean like Australia? By the way, how are relations between The Bahamas and Australia?
Find it here Perhaps? (http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/bahamas/bahamas_brief.html)
They would turn up if there wasn't something in it for them. Kinda like the way some (if not most) Bahamians entertain the notion of the Haitian crisis, as they see it as a way to introduce a new social class. I see no Christian protests when an industrious Haitian is landscaping someone's yard.


You can. Spend a week telling your family members that you are gay, see how they support you.
Go out to the fish fry and tell a random Bahamian man that you are gay, see how your fellow Bahamian supports you.
Tell your closest male friends that you are really gay, spend a week hanging out ONLY with your gay friends.
Dress flamboyantly, get a perm, walk with a limp wrist, talk with a lisp...cater to all the preconceived notions as to what a gay person is thought of to be.

This is the closest you would ever come to understanding what someone who is gay goes through. Walk a week in their clothes, and even after that week is over and done with, I'd bet you you'd never be seen the same way again.

And another thing, I hear constantly the argument over man and man getting married, but I have YET to hear one raise the issue of "degree of relation as it pertains to marriage"...Perhaps marrying one's cousin is an acceptable inordinate fashion these days, or are we too focused on "the gays"?
How many Bahamian men go to the archives and/or trace their fiancee's family history before getting married? Shame and scandal in the family was so "80's."


Thank you may be someone else saying it he might be able to grasp it.

You have said a mouth full.


yeah, i just dont see why anyone would fight/kill over something that is only a belief, not fact. They have to be some very dumb people.

yeah, i just dont see why anyone would fight/kill over something that is only a belief, not fact. They have to be some very dumb people.

The problem is many can't separate faith from fact. Also to many of the faithfull only follow what everyone else follows. They believe what is told them to believe.

yeah, i just dont see why anyone would fight/kill over something that is only a belief, not fact. They have to be some very dumb people.

Facts are in short supply these days, they always have been. We believe in ideas, religions, governments, other people, ourselves. We hope for a better life and when we die we hope for an even better after-life. We believe there is a God, we even hope we are right about that, but facts are in short supply.

People don't fight over facts. Facts are settled. Would you fight over the outcome of 1+1 ? But we can fight, particularly when our hope is threatened, over just about anything else. It does not surprise me that people fight - what surprises me is that they don't fight more often.

yeah but to fight over something such as religion is just stupid ... if i was in one of those places id walk around with a sign that said athiest on it, if it meant staying alive..

its like harry potter fans fighting lord of the ring fans ..!
its all fiction ..