Which is it a guarantee or a most likely. Did you read the like did you see who posted it. A church. The Creator already knows our destiny It is man who is mistaken. Thank you so much you are so right with this nothing can exist with out it being the Creators intention. NOT EVEN GLBT If we weren't meant to exist we would not be here. Then please explain How is it that the Creator knows the future of each and everyone of us? Knowing what our next thought will be long before even the earths creation. Yet we can choose differently than the Creator knows of the future. After all the Creator is all knowing, so before the first crumb of the universe was created the Creator knew who is in Heaven and who is in hell.(if you believe is such a place). Or is it that the creator does not know????

Now this last part is lame. Or is it I don't understand it please explain. Are you saying we create food from nothing????

You try to act dumb when its convenient for you. You know exactly what I mean. we as humans have to work and pay for our food, when the so call dumb creatures dont have to, they are provided for.

Say lost HMmmmmmmmmm! Typical Feminine reaction,Thank you homeboi I am not in a battle with you.Notes to self: *Wonders if Vick went around his kids school in feminine clothes & if he convinced himself that they suffered no backlash because of this.I was dressed as a boy but it was very apparent I was different so I was a target. Oh I know, he probably has a website to tell him they will be alright, even doe they are probably prentending to be happy around him.* :gi:
Life for those of us that are different is not that pleasant but we live it none the less. You see dealing with other peoples ignorance is far easer than living a lie just to let others be comfortable with our lives. Hate is taught at a young age, But one day it will be love instead.

i am from a female single parent home and i have only one sister through out my life i have been influenced by predominatly women, talk about estrogen overload. yall will think i am joking but even down to our dogs we never had a male dog, my teachers were mostly female, i was the only boy in the neighbourhood etc. under this theory i just want to act like a woman or be transgender like vicky but i am not, why? becuase thats just not in me, i was not wired that way. to break it down, I GOT A BOYS BRAIN AND A BOYS BODY. i am amoung the lucky ones

Did your mom and sister lead a different sexual life, that may have left you confused as a child and by the way, I was raised exactly like you.

so are you saying you choose to be striaght, i know this point has been beaten to death but as far as i know no heterosexual with this theory on this board has answred the question with a simple yes or no . i said it before and i will say it again, but that was on a different thread, i can accept or ponder any argument as to the cuase of homosexuality (GBLT) or why these people exsist ie: genetics, chemical imbalance, a disorder, demon spirits, over bearing mothers and the list goes on. hell even emulation kind of has some relavance but the theory of choice to me is so illogical and to me has no relavance at all it just doesnt make sense.(at least to me it doesnt). i think another reason people are stuck on this theory of choice is they try to determine what cuase homosexuality, why not try to determine what cuases sexuality. all i know is i am a straight who is not afriad to admit that i did not choose to be striaght, for the life of me i dont know why most striaghts dodge that question.

as a christian i can understand why people especially christians say these people choose to live their lives this way. and then they quote the usual versus saying: God doesnt make mistakes, Homosexuality is an abomination. well what about people born blind, retarded, or missing a limb that is a mistake, depending on how you look at it. one things for sure it is definatly not natural or normal to be born that way. what about the versus that says God loves all of us and that God is love, what about the versus that says god knew you before you were born, so if god knew a person was going to be BLTG why didnt he block that persons conception, then we wouldnt have these types of people in the world. but you know i have come to the conclusion that all these verus and scriptures could mean anything and things could have been added in and substracted out by any one, i am not only talking about the bible but every other type of religious teachings foundations liturature. NONE OF US WAS THERE and we will never understand the bible no matter how much we think we do, to understand some things in the bible is like knowing what color jesus was for sure. there are four things about my religion i take to heart the books of GENISIS, PROVERBS, REVELATION and the Ten commandments.

even though i strongly believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and no one has the right to say whats right for someone else. i feel so bad for saying this but here it goes: to anyone that thinks homosexulity (BLTG) is a choice. they need to rethink that theory, to do so they need to put aside their emmotions and religion and ask themselves:

did they choose their sexuality?
research what cuases sexuality, not homosexuality
what makes you act the way you do? ie dress, talk, walk, the way you sound, your body build etc

Can I ask a question, how often do you see this condition that Vicki was born with. I mean lately, you know we have had lots of people that willfully did things to harm there unborn children, they drank, they took drugs, then you had people that unwillingly did harmful things to their children, because of the lack of research on a lot of prenatal medication, that may have been high in eostrogen and other hormones that may have been absorbed by the foetus itself. We have come a long way from lead base toxic paints and trial drugs that no pharmacutical company would step forth and say they made a boobo. Instead of saying God did this maybe the finger needs to be pointed at your prenatal care.

i agree some what but i would also like to add it depends on the situation if the parent is gay the child will most likely support it or at least not have a problem or feel threatned by homosexuals or in some rare cases they may despise it or at least feel ashamed of it, but to go as far as to say emulate homosexuality? that is a streach. by now yall know i am from a female single parent home and i have only one sister through out my life i have been influenced by predominatly women. yall will think i am joking but even down to our dogs we never had a male dog, my teachers were mostly female etc. under this theory i just want to act like a woman or be transgender like vicky but i am not, why? becuase thats just not in me, i was not wired that way. but who knows, every case is different

Lets me add to this I came up in a 2 parent home and my dad had me around him a lot. I learned alot from him. With the theory given I should be normal. My family calls me Mcgiver or Buddha-dean don't ask me what the dean means I asked my brother in law who started it many years ago, what it meant. He said he did not know but he was so amazed when I hand cranked a 175 HP outboard cold start he just had to say something. I will give you the short version of the story so you don't have to ask. We were to leave on a boat trip but the starter was burned. They tried and could not pull the rope hard enough. So I took out 3 spark plugs grounded the wires, put some gas in the carburetors and in 1 crank the engine was running. I let it warm up turned of the engine put the spark plugs back in connected the wire and in 1 crank we were ready to go.

so are you saying you choose to be striaght, i know this point has been beaten to death but as far as i know no heterosexual with this theory on this board has answred the question with a simple yes or no . i said it before and i will say it again, but that was on a different thread, i can accept or ponder any argument as to the cuase of homosexuality (GBLT) or why these people exsist ie: genetics, chemical imbalance, a disorder, demon spirits, over bearing mothers and the list goes on. hell even emulation kind of has some relavance but the theory of choice to me is so illogical and to me has no relavance at all it just doesnt make sense.(at least to me it doesnt). i think another reason people are stuck on this theory of choice is they try to determine what cuase homosexuality, why not try to determine what cuases sexuality. all i know is i am a straight who is not afriad to admit that i did not choose to be striaght, for the life of me i dont know why most striaghts dodge that question.

as a christian i can understand why people especially christians say these people choose to live their lives this way. and then they quote the usual versus saying: God doesnt make mistakes, Homosexuality is an abomination. well what about people born blind, retarded, or missing a limb that is a mistake, depending on how you look at it. one things for sure it is definatly not natural or normal to be born that way. what about the versus that says God loves all of us and that God is love, what about the versus that says god knew you before you were born, so if god knew a person was going to be BLTG why didnt he block that persons conception, then we wouldnt have these types of people in the world. but you know i have come to the conclusion that all these verus and scriptures could mean anything and things could have been added in and substracted out by any one, i am not only talking about the bible but every other type of religious teachings foundations liturature. NONE OF US WAS THERE and we will never understand the bible no matter how much we think we do, to understand some things in the bible is like knowing what color jesus was for sure. there are four things about my religion i take to heart the books of GENISIS, PROVERBS, REVELATION and the Ten commandments.

even though i strongly believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and no one has the right to say whats right for someone else. i feel so bad for saying this but here it goes: to anyone that thinks homosexulity (BLTG) is a choice. they need to rethink that theory, to do so they need to put aside their emmotions and religion and ask themselves:

did they choose their sexuality?
research what cuases sexuality, not homosexuality
what makes you act the way you do? ie dress, talk, walk, the way you sound, your body build etc

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do you all see the sparks flying Bahamaboy you hitten the nail on the head and hard to boot.

You try to act dumb when its convenient for you. You know exactly what I mean. we as humans have to work and pay for our food, when the so call dumb creatures dont have to, they are provided for.

The dumb creatures (as you call them) have to hunt and forage for food another words work for it. They pay for food just as we do with the time out of our lives to get it.
The thing you don't see the dumb creatures do is kill just because they can. You don't see them committing genocide. I wounder who is the dumb creature.

Can I ask a question, how often do you see this condition that Vicki was born with. I mean lately, you know we have had lots of people that willfully did things to harm there unborn children, they drank, they took drugs, then you had people that unwillingly did harmful things to their children, because of the lack of research on a lot of prenatal medication, that may have been high in eostrogen and other hormones that may have been absorbed by the foetus itself. We have come a long way from lead base toxic paints and trial drugs that no pharmacutical company would step forth and say they made a boobo. Instead of saying God did this maybe the finger needs to be pointed at your prenatal care.

Being born different is not new. Even Greek mythology hads a god named
HERMAPHRODITE
Meaning: Possessing both male and female genitalia. [Hmmm....]
Greek Myth: Hermaphroditus was the son of Hermes and Aphrodite. The nymph Salmacis fell in love with him, but he rejected her. She entertwined her arms around him and held tight; the gods molded the two bodies together, never to part. Two sexes became one
Also Christ spoke of people being born different.
Matthew 19:12 (King James Version)

12For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

And as I said before growing up around females, and growing up around homosexual females has a different influence.


i didnt catch when you said it the first time. it's possible, i think it just depends. also people can look at it from all sorts of crazy ways.

eg: if a boy grew up around gay female(s). he may be intrested in women becuase thats all his mother brought home. if a boy is raised by a straight female he may become intrested in men becuase thats all his mother brought home. do you see how crazy these theories can get.

well i am gald you think like this cuase some people think growing up around females period will make a boy turn gay. it would make him wanna wear the cloths etc. its crazy.

to all those with kids just raise them the best you can and enstill what is truely important in them: honest, integrity, hard work, common sense etc. like a said a persons sexuality really doesnt matter. i would rather raise a honest, hard working gay;than a murderin, tiefin striaght.

Did your mom and sister lead a different sexual life, that may have left you confused as a child and by the way, I was raised exactly like you.



i dont know what kind of sexual life my mother or sister had or lead cuase i dont care or want to think about. my mother never re married and didnt have men coming around, she was too busy taking care of us. as for my sister i know nothing of her sex life.

Can I ask a question, how often do you see this condition that Vicki was born with. I mean lately, you know we have had lots of people that willfully did things to harm there unborn children, they drank, they took drugs, then you had people that unwillingly did harmful things to their children, because of the lack of research on a lot of prenatal medication, that may have been high in eostrogen and other hormones that may have been absorbed by the foetus itself. We have come a long way from lead base toxic paints and trial drugs that no pharmacutical company would step forth and say they made a boobo. Instead of saying God did this maybe the finger needs to be pointed at your prenatal care.


before i respond to this, let me say your post is all well and good and does contribute to the conversation, and is something that could be explored. but at the same time you didnt answered the question: did you choose to be striaght?

to answer your question, i rarely see people like vicky or gays etc walking the street etc becuase i dont seek them out or surround myself with them, also i dont live in a city that has a high number of them like LA, NY, chicago, MIA. i should also point out have you seen vicky's pic, if you past her on the street i am sure you wouldnt think for a second that she had a penis. to cut my point short you never know if the person next to you in line is really a boy, girl, likes to cross dress, or striaght. i am sure if you went to a cross dressers support group, a transgender support group, a gay bar etc you will find them in droves. there are millions of people all over the world that are BLTG, even in under developed areas. i watched a documentary on some channel that was discussing these people in some poor third world country, i cant remeber wich one, but they were transgender. it was pointing out that even though these people live in remote vilages, they too were dealing with this issue. these people live off the land, they eat natural foods and are rarely exposed to chemicals and preservatives so what cuases it in their children? also i would like to add that the healthiest of mothers who took the best care of themselves while pregnant gave birth to premature babies, blind babies, missing limb babies, conjoined twins and the list goes on.

i dont know what kind of sexual life my mother or sister had or lead cuase i dont care or want to think about. my mother never re married and didnt have men coming around, she was too busy taking care of us. as for my sister i know nothing of her sex life.

My point exactly. After my mom and dad divorced, it was the same for my sister and I. There was no conufusion what so ever.

before i respond to this, let me say your post is all well and good and does contribute to the conversation, and is something that could be explored. but at the same time you didnt answered the question: did you choose to be striaght?

to answer your question, i rarely see people like vicky or gays etc walking the street etc becuase i dont seek them out or surround myself with them, also i dont live in a city that has a high number of them like LA, NY, chicago, MIA. i should also point out have you seen vicky's pic, if you past her on the street i am sure you wouldnt think for a second that she had a penis. to cut my point short you never know if the person next to you in line is really a boy, girl, likes to cross dress, or striaght. i am sure if you went to a cross dressers support group, a transgender support group, a gay bar etc you will find them in droves. there are millions of people all over the world that are BLTG, even in under developed areas. i watched a documentary on some channel that was discussing these people in some poor third world country, i cant remeber wich one, but they were transgender. it was pointing out that even though these people live in remote vilages, they too were dealing with this issue. these people live off the land, they eat natural foods and are rarely exposed to chemicals and preservatives so what cuases it in their children? also i would like to add that the healthiest of mothers who took the best care of themselves while pregnant gave birth to premature babies, blind babies, missing limb babies, conjoined twins and the list goes on.

My friend if you see people are being born with these conditions, then there is a problem with the land. Just because you eat from the earth does not make it healthy. There were mass experiments done in the past especially in third world countries that would have resulted dangerous toxic poisioning.

before i respond to this, let me say your post is all well and good and does contribute to the conversation, and is something that could be explored. but at the same time you didnt answered the question: did you choose to be striaght?

to answer your question, i rarely see people like vicky or gays etc walking the street etc becuase i dont seek them out or surround myself with them, also i dont live in a city that has a high number of them like LA, NY, chicago, MIA. i should also point out have you seen vicky's pic, if you past her on the street i am sure you wouldnt think for a second that she had a penis. to cut my point short you never know if the person next to you in line is really a boy, girl, likes to cross dress, or striaght. i am sure if you went to a cross dressers support group, a transgender support group, a gay bar etc you will find them in droves. there are millions of people all over the world that are BLTG, even in under developed areas. i watched a documentary on some channel that was discussing these people in some poor third world country, i cant remeber wich one, but they were transgender. it was pointing out that even though these people live in remote vilages, they too were dealing with this issue. these people live off the land, they eat natural foods and are rarely exposed to chemicals and preservatives so what cuases it in their children? also i would like to add that the healthiest of mothers who took the best care of themselves while pregnant gave birth to premature babies, blind babies, missing limb babies, conjoined twins and the list goes on.

I did not have to choose it came natural to me. My point is its when we choose to go against what God intended, is when we end up with these diffrent life styles.

My friend if you see people are being born with these conditions, then there is a problem with the land. Just because you eat from the earth does not make it healthy. There were mass experiments done in the past especially in third world countries that would have resulted dangerous toxic poisioning.

Springman go and check your history. GLBT is not new to humanity. GLBT predate known history. Its been apart of humanity from the begining. Nothing you say can changes this nothing.