to me i think calling someone a fag is totally different from calling them ignorant. finekemoe is right it is like calling a girl a slut. i think when a person says such a thing they are saying i am better than you. all i could say is if a person had sex outside of marriage, or living with their common law bf or gf, if they like to lie, steal, or cheat; if they like to womanize or manize, dresses inoppropriate etc. that person has no place to call some one a fag, slut etc. cuase they shouldnt forget sin is sin and they themselves is a filthy lucker

Being ignorant is having a lack of knowledge it is not an insult as many take it. If a tourist turns the wrong way on a one way street it is probably because they are ignorant of the one way street situation.

Big Lol! It's amazing WHAT some people find offensive,BUT if you find something that they are doing not to your liking then you are being ignorant & all that other LALA. So as I see it I guess certain people want me to walk around on egg shells while the fags (yes I said it again) gays ,homo's (gender confused :rolleyes: ) or whatever ya'll want to call them get to evoke their *Laws Of Fassism* with impunity. Well if that's how ya'll want to run ya'll lil fifedom,Carry On Smartly!

Big Lol! It's amazing WHAT some people find offensive,BUT if you find something that they are doing not to your liking then you are being ignorant & all that other LALA. So as I see it I guess certain people want me to walk around on egg shells while the fags (yes I said it again) gays ,homo's (gender confused :rolleyes: ) or whatever ya'll want to call them get to evoke their *Laws Of Fassism* with impunity. Well if that's how ya'll want to run ya'll lil fifedom,Carry On Smartly!


Now I can see why you were called ignorant in the past. More importantly, you just can't seem to get out of your head and look at things from another person's perspective for just one second. No one is asking you to walk on egg shells, but I would equate calling a homosexual person a sissy or a fag is like a white person calling a black person a nig***. YES IT IS THAT OFFENSIVE and unnecessary. For some reason you just can't seem to see that or you just don't care...and here I thought this was supposed to be a place for civilized discussion.

Now I can see why you were called ignorant in the past. More importantly, you just can't seem to get out of your head and look at things from another person's perspective for just one second. No one is asking you to walk on egg shells, but I would equate calling a homosexual person a sissy or a fag is like a white person calling a black person a nig***. YES IT IS THAT OFFENSIVE and unnecessary. For some reason you just can't seem to see that or you just don't care...and here I thought this was supposed to be a place for civilized discussion.



well maybe some one else now relises what you are saying. it may be true that the person is a faggot but it is un nessary to use that word, if you want to reffer to their sexuality or lifestlye use the word gay or homosexual. it may be true that marchial is a niggerr but it would be un nessary for some one to call him that, if they want to reffer to the color of his skin they can use the word black (even though he might not say i am sure he agrees with this, he would not want every white person he met to refer to him as a niggerr). in the same way every gay person he met would not like to be reffered to as a fag. i would also like to point out that the word ignorant is actually the polite way to point out someones lack of knowledge you can use the word dumb mass, retarded, stupid, jack mass etc.

Thanks bahamaboy...at least someone out there understands what I am trying to say, even though I thought it was pretty clear.

ok we get it you are on the side of choice, discussion about choice with you is over. now are you also saying that if a person feels attracted to the same sex that they should do their best to bury those feelings and choose Gods way, do you think doing this would work? also what would you say to a person that comes to you in confidence and says i think i might be gay?

i know i said i was going to leave you alone but this point i just thought of and i am about to bring up is for others to ponder on the board, you can weigh in if you feel like.

ok lets say a person is straight right. they are only attracted to the opposite sex. what do you think makes a woman only be attracted to a man with certain attributes. ie she is only attracted to tall, black men with a business look. does she choose this type of guy or is it something she is just attracted to. what makes a guy only want a girl with ghetto attitude, can he help being turned on by this type of woman? to make it even simplier what makes you attracted to a certain color. i know i didnt choose to like blue, its just something in me that like blue. which brings me to anoter topic, is attraction to different races wrong? what about attraction to different nationalites, is that wrong?

You see you answered your own question, the only difference is you changed the word from choose, to attraction. We need to breath in order to live, we need to eat in order to live, but having a jungalist as a girlfriend is not a need, having a business man as a husband is not a need, having a closet with only blue clothes is not a need, these my friend are choices. Just because you are attracted to something, does not mean you have to get it or that it is good for you. Some people are attracted to drugs and alcohol, teenage girls and little boys, does that make their attraction any different? Why do we see these attractions as being sick and perverted? You know why because we as a society do what is more convenient for our lust and pleasure.

He who worships vanity, will help to destroy humanity

You see you answered your own question, the only difference is you changed the word from choose, to attraction. We need to breath in order to live, we need to eat in order to live, but having a jungalist as a girlfriend is not a need, having a business man as a husband is not a need, having a closet with only blue clothes is not a need, these my friend are choices. Just because you are attracted to something, does not mean you have to get it or that it is good for you. Some people are attracted to drugs and alcohol, teenage girls and little boys, does that make their attraction any different? Why do we see these attractions as being sick and perverted? You know why because we as a society do what is more convenient for our lust and pleasure.

He who worships vanity, will help to destroy humanity



very intresting, thaks for the answer. just to be clear you are saying a person attracted to the same sex should choose only to be with the opposite sex?

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20050702%2F1144476432.htm&sc=1103&photoid=20050630JJ818&ewp=ewp_news_0705gay_marriage
Gay Marriage to Be Legal in Spain on Sun.

By DANIEL WOOLLS
MADRID, Spain (AP) - The law legalizing gay marriage in Spain has cleared its last bureaucratic formality - being published in an official government registry - and will take effect on Sunday.

An official of the ruling Socialist party, which sponsored the law, said the party will now seek legislation to protect Spain's estimated 8,000 transsexuals.

The gay marriage law, passed Thursday by the lower house of parliament, was published Saturday in the gazette, the Boletin Oficial del Estado, which records all government decisions in Spain. The document specified that the new law will go into effect Sunday.

The law was signed by King Juan Carlos and Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.

You see you answered your own question, the only difference is you changed the word from choose, to attraction. We need to breath in order to live, we need to eat in order to live, but having a jungalist as a girlfriend is not a need, having a business man as a husband is not a need, having a closet with only blue clothes is not a need, these my friend are choices. Just because you are attracted to something, does not mean you have to get it or that it is good for you. Some people are attracted to drugs and alcohol, teenage girls and little boys, does that make their attraction any different? Why do we see these attractions as being sick and perverted? You know why because we as a society do what is more convenient for our lust and pleasure.

He who worships vanity, will help to destroy humanity


Very intresting that means you don't need a woman its just something you want. Well why is it you don't want a man. (asuming you are male)

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20050702%2F1144476432.htm&sc=1103&photoid=20050630JJ818&ewp=ewp_news_0705gay_marriage
Gay Marriage to Be Legal in Spain on Sun.

By DANIEL WOOLLS
MADRID, Spain (AP) - The law legalizing gay marriage in Spain has cleared its last bureaucratic formality - being published in an official government registry - and will take effect on Sunday.

An official of the ruling Socialist party, which sponsored the law, said the party will now seek legislation to protect Spain's estimated 8,000 transsexuals.

The gay marriage law, passed Thursday by the lower house of parliament, was published Saturday in the gazette, the Boletin Oficial del Estado, which records all government decisions in Spain. The document specified that the new law will go into effect Sunday.

The law was signed by King Juan Carlos and Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.


i didnt even know the law was going through legislation there and here it is just being sprung on me like that. i honestly dont know what to make of gay marriage. :confused:

i would have posted this question in the ask vicky or somewhere else but those threads arent still as active so here goes:

to the people that says God is against homosexuality, its an abomination, its nasty, they will be judged and cast into hell etc. i would like to know what do yall think he will do with someone like vicky? here is a man that dresses and lives as a woman yet he has sex with a woman. do yall think God is ok with that? is that an abomination etc. anyone can respond

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20050702%2F1144476432.htm&sc=1103&photoid=20050630JJ818&ewp=ewp_news_0705gay_marriage
Gay Marriage to Be Legal in Spain on Sun.

By DANIEL WOOLLS
MADRID, Spain (AP) - The law legalizing gay marriage in Spain has cleared its last bureaucratic formality - being published in an official government registry - and will take effect on Sunday.

An official of the ruling Socialist party, which sponsored the law, said the party will now seek legislation to protect Spain's estimated 8,000 transsexuals.

The gay marriage law, passed Thursday by the lower house of parliament, was published Saturday in the gazette, the Boletin Oficial del Estado, which records all government decisions in Spain. The document specified that the new law will go into effect Sunday.

The law was signed by King Juan Carlos and Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.


Yay!!!! Now Spain joins the list of other progressive countries in the world. Good for them. It seems like Canada will soon be the next one added to that list.

You see you answered your own question, the only difference is you changed the word from choose, to attraction. We need to breath in order to live, we need to eat in order to live, but having a jungalist as a girlfriend is not a need, having a business man as a husband is not a need, having a closet with only blue clothes is not a need, these my friend are choices. Just because you are attracted to something, does not mean you have to get it or that it is good for you. Some people are attracted to drugs and alcohol, teenage girls and little boys, does that make their attraction any different? Why do we see these attractions as being sick and perverted? You know why because we as a society do what is more convenient for our lust and pleasure.

He who worships vanity, will help to destroy humanity


There is a huge difference between homosexuality and pedophilia. One of the possible reasons why it may be called sick and perverted is because the child CANNOT consent. They may say yes verbally, but it is far to easy to manipulate a child into doing what an adult desires.

Based on this response it seems like you are trying to state that human intimacy is a want and not a need. If that is your take on the issue, then while interesting, it is far from true. The need for intimacy is one of the three basic human needs along with the need for food and water. We may not need intimacy to live, like we need food and water, but we need intimacy for the individual to be healthy and productive member of society. Some people drown themselves in alcohol, some drown themselves in work, and others use other methods simply to compensate for this need for intimacy. But we all cannot do that. More importantly, if one isn't attracted to a person of the opposite sex, then they will not meet this need for intimacy. Furthermore, why should a homosexual person forgo fulfilling that basic need for human intimacy simply to conform to a hetero-normative social design?

i would have posted this question in the ask vicky or somewhere else but those threads arent still as active so here goes:

to the people that says God is against homosexuality, its an abomination, its nasty, they will be judged and cast into hell etc. i would like to know what do yall think he will do with someone like vicky? here is a man that dresses and lives as a woman yet he has sex with a woman. do yall think God is ok with that? is that an abomination etc. anyone can respond


Well, since Vicky isn't really homosexual then God should have no problem with her. Right???