If Lot was on good terms with the King of Sodom doesn't that say something about the city being hospitable??
But all the rest of the references to Sodom do.
Shall I post them again for you???? FYI many of the references are about idolatry.
1. Comatose is different from asleep. A comatose man can't have sex. People can't respond to stimuli while comatosed. While asleep I can. I have. Yes, you can consent to sex even if you are drugged or drunk. Its rape if you are drugged against your will. But drunk people have sex all the time. How else do we explain your presence.
Sex with out consent it is rape you nor anyone else can change this.
2. God told Lot that if there were ten righteous people found there that he would not destroy the city. Again you type with out research. God/The Creator did not talk to Lot about the righteous people found in Sodom.
Oh and here is food for thought. Is not God/The Creator all powerful all knowing. Why would God/The Creator need to go check up on Sodom. Would not God/The Creator know. So the angels came to find the righteous people living in Sodom to justify not destroying it. If Lot was out of town and they found 8, then the city would've been destroyed. They got there and the men of the city didn't taunt them or throw stones at them or show them any kind of hostility. They wanted to welcome them to the town by having a big ole gay orgy. Really! please post a reference to this. Shocked and dismayed that homos were so prevalent, the angels were disgusted and decided that it didn't matter how many righteous lived in Sodom. Because the men engaged in such behavior it blackened the whole city. So they burnt it to the ground.Really! please post a reference to this.

All of the warping of context and definitions in the world can't change that fact. Nowhere in the Bible did God ever say "Thou shalt not be inhospitable". Hebrews 13:2 (King James Version)
2Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. If he did, he never said it to the Egyptians who enslaved Jews for 400 years. He never said it to Canaanites or Menonites who constantly fought the Jews. He never said it to Rome, and it was the Romans who killed his son. Where you got this ridiculous argument is beyond me. Homosexuality is the only *SIN* that God calls an abomination.
Please research before you type. Seems to me you are responding just to hear your self.
1. Genesis 43:32
And they set on for him by himself, and for them by themselves, and for the Egyptians, which did eat with him, by themselves: because the Egyptians might not eat bread with the Hebrews; for that is an abomination unto the Egyptians.
Genesis 43:31-33 (in Context) Genesis 43 (Whole Chapter)
2. Genesis 46:34
That ye shall say, Thy servants' trade hath been about cattle from our youth even until now, both we, and also our fathers: that ye may dwell in the land of Goshen; for every shepherd is an abomination unto the Egyptians.
Genesis 46:33-35 (in Context) Genesis 46 (Whole Chapter)
3. Exodus 8:26
And Moses said, It is not meet so to do; for we shall sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians to the LORD our God: lo, shall we sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians before their eyes, and will they not stone us?
Exodus 8:25-27 (in Context) Exodus 8 (Whole Chapter)
4. Leviticus 7:18
And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity.
Leviticus 7:17-19 (in Context) Leviticus 7 (Whole Chapter)
5. Leviticus 11:10
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
Leviticus 11:9-11 (in Context) Leviticus 11 (Whole Chapter)
6. Leviticus 11:11
They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
Leviticus 11:10-12 (in Context) Leviticus 11 (Whole Chapter)
7. Leviticus 11:12
Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
Leviticus 11:11-13 (in Context) Leviticus 11 (Whole Chapter)
8. Leviticus 11:13
And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
Leviticus 11:12-14 (in Context) Leviticus 11 (Whole Chapter)
9. Leviticus 11:20
All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
Leviticus 11:19-21 (in Context) Leviticus 11 (Whole Chapter)
10. Leviticus 11:23
But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.
Leviticus 11:22-24 (in Context) Leviticus 11 (Whole Chapter)
11. Leviticus 11:41
And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.
Leviticus 11:40-42 (in Context) Leviticus 11 (Whole Chapter)
12. Leviticus 11:42
Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination.
Leviticus 11:41-43 (in Context) Leviticus 11 (Whole Chapter)
13. Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 18:21-23 (in Context) Leviticus 18 (Whole Chapter)
14. Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:12-14 (in Context) Leviticus 20 (Whole Chapter)
15. Deuteronomy 7:25
The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therin: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.
Deuteronomy 7:24-26 (in Context) Deuteronomy 7 (Whole Chapter)
16. Deuteronomy 7:26
Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.
Deuteronomy 7:25-27 (in Context) Deuteronomy 7 (Whole Chapter)
17. Deuteronomy 12:31
Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
Deuteronomy 12:30-32 (in Context) Deuteronomy 12 (Whole Chapter)
18. Deuteronomy 13:14
Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;
Deuteronomy 13:13-15 (in Context) Deuteronomy 13 (Whole Chapter)
19. Deuteronomy 17:1
Thou shalt not sacrifice unto the LORD thy God any bullock, or sheep, wherein is blemish, or any evilfavouredness: for that is an abomination unto the LORD thy God.
Deuteronomy 17:1-3 (in Context) Deuteronomy 17 (Whole Chapter)
20. Deuteronomy 17:4
And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
Deuteronomy 17:3-5 (in Context) Deuteronomy 17 (Whole Chapter)
21. Deuteronomy 18:12
For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Deuteronomy 18:11-13 (in Context) Deuteronomy 18 (Whole Chapter)
22. Deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
Deuteronomy 22:4-6 (in Context) Deuteronomy 22 (Whole Chapter)
23. Deuteronomy 23:18
Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
Deuteronomy 23:17-19 (in Context) Deuteronomy 23 (Whole Chapter)
24. Deuteronomy 24:4
Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
Deuteronomy 24:3-5 (in Context) Deuteronomy 24 (Whole Chapter)
25. Deuteronomy 25:16
For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the LORD thy God.
Deuteronomy 25:15-17 (in Context) Deuteronomy 25 (Whole Chapter)
26. Deuteronomy 27:15
Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.
Deuteronomy 27:14-16 (in Context) Deuteronomy 27 (Whole Chapter)
27. 1 Samuel 13:4
And all Israel heard say that Saul had smitten a garrison of the Philistines, and that Israel also was had in abomination with the Philistines. And the people were called together after Saul to Gilgal.
1 Samuel 13:3-5 (in Context) 1 Samuel 13 (Whole Chapter)
28. 1 Kings 11:5
For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
1 Kings 11:4-6 (in Context) 1 Kings 11 (Whole Chapter)
29. 1 Kings 11:7
Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.
1 Kings 11:6-8 (in Context) 1 Kings 11 (Whole Chapter)
30. 2 Kings 23:13
And the high places that were before Jerusalem, which were on the right hand of the mount of corruption, which Solomon the king of Israel had builded for Ashtoreth the abomination of the Zidonians, and for Chemosh the abomination of the Moabites, and for Milcom the abomination of the children of Ammon, did the king defile.
2 Kings 23:12-14 (in Context) 2 Kings 23 (Whole Chapter)
31. Psalm 88:8
Thou hast put away mine acquaintance far from me; thou hast made me an abomination unto them: I am shut up, and I cannot come forth.
Psalm 88:7-9 (in Context) Psalm 88 (Whole Chapter)
32. Proverbs 3:32
For the froward is abomination to the LORD: but his secret is with the righteous.
Proverbs 3:31-33 (in Context) Proverbs 3 (Whole Chapter)
33. Proverbs 6:16
These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Proverbs 6:15-17 (in Context) Proverbs 6 (Whole Chapter)
34. Proverbs 8:7
For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
Proverbs 8:6-8 (in Context) Proverbs 8 (Whole Chapter)
35. Proverbs 11:1
A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.
Proverbs 11:1-3 (in Context) Proverbs 11 (Whole Chapter)
36. Proverbs 11:20
They that are of a froward heart are abomination to the LORD: but such as are upright in their way are his delight.
Proverbs 11:19-21 (in Context) Proverbs 11 (Whole Chapter)
37. Proverbs 12:22
Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.
Proverbs 12:21-23 (in Context) Proverbs 12 (Whole Chapter)
38. Proverbs 13:19
The desire accomplished is sweet to the soul: but it is abomination to fools to depart from evil.
Proverbs 13:18-20 (in Context) Proverbs 13 (Whole Chapter)
39. Proverbs 15:8
The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.
Proverbs 15:7-9 (in Context) Proverbs 15 (Whole Chapter)
40. Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.
Proverbs 15:8-10 (in Context) Proverbs 15 (Whole Chapter)
41. Proverbs 15:26
The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the LORD: but the words of the pure are pleasant words.
Proverbs 15:25-27 (in Context) Proverbs 15 (Whole Chapter)
42. Proverbs 16:5
Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
Proverbs 16:4-6 (in Context) Proverbs 16 (Whole Chapter)
43. Proverbs 16:12
It is an abomination to kings to commit wickedness: for the throne is established by righteousness.
Proverbs 16:11-13 (in Context) Proverbs 16 (Whole Chapter)
44. Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.
Proverbs 17:14-16 (in Context) Proverbs 17 (Whole Chapter)
45. Proverbs 20:10
Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the LORD.
Proverbs 20:9-11 (in Context) Proverbs 20 (Whole Chapter)
46. Proverbs 20:23
Divers weights are an abomination unto the LORD; and a false balance is not good.
Proverbs 20:22-24 (in Context) Proverbs 20 (Whole Chapter)
47. Proverbs 21:27
The sacrifice of the wicked is abomination: how much more, when he bringeth it with a wicked mind?
Proverbs 21:26-28 (in Context) Proverbs 21 (Whole Chapter)
48. Proverbs 24:9
The thought of foolishness is sin: and the scorner is an abomination to men.
Proverbs 24:8-10 (in Context) Proverbs 24 (Whole Chapter)
49. Proverbs 28:9
He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
Proverbs 28:8-10 (in Context) Proverbs 28 (Whole Chapter)
50. Proverbs 29:27
An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked.
Proverbs 29:26-28 (in Context) Proverbs 29 (Whole Chapter)
51. Isaiah 1:13
Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Isaiah 1:12-14 (in Context) Isaiah 1 (Whole Chapter)
52. Isaiah 41:24
Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination is he that chooseth you.
Isaiah 41:23-25 (in Context) Isaiah 41 (Whole Chapter)
53. Isaiah 44:19
And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?
Isaiah 44:18-20 (in Context) Isaiah 44 (Whole Chapter)
54. Isaiah 66:17
They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 66:16-18 (in Context) Isaiah 66 (Whole Chapter)
55. Jeremiah 2:7
And I brought you into a plentiful country, to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof; but when ye entered, ye defiled my land, and made mine heritage an abomination.
Jeremiah 2:6-8 (in Context) Jeremiah 2 (Whole Chapter)
56. Jeremiah 6:15
Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 6:14-16 (in Context) Jeremiah 6 (Whole Chapter)
57. Jeremiah 8:12
Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 8:11-13 (in Context) Jeremiah 8 (Whole Chapter)
58. Jeremiah 32:35
And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Jeremiah 32:34-36 (in Context) Jeremiah 32 (Whole Chapter)
59. Ezekiel 16:50
And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
Ezekiel 16:49-51 (in Context) Ezekiel 16 (Whole Chapter)
60. Ezekiel 18:12
Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination,
Ezekiel 18:11-13 (in Context) Ezekiel 18 (Whole Chapter)
61. Ezekiel 22:11
And one hath committed abomination with his neighbour's wife; and another hath lewdly defiled his daughter in law; and another in thee hath humbled his sister, his father's daughter.
Ezekiel 22:10-12 (in Context) Ezekiel 22 (Whole Chapter)
62. Ezekiel 33:26
Ye stand upon your sword, ye work abomination, and ye defile every one his neighbour's wife: and shall ye possess the land?
Ezekiel 33:25-27 (in Context) Ezekiel 33 (Whole Chapter)
63. Daniel 11:31
And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Daniel 11:30-32 (in Context) Daniel 11 (Whole Chapter)
64. Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:10-12 (in Context) Daniel 12 (Whole Chapter)
65. Malachi 2:11
Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.
Malachi 2:10-12 (in Context) Malachi 2 (Whole Chapter)
66. Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Matthew 24:14-16 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter)
67. Mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Mark 13:13-15 (in Context) Mark 13 (Whole Chapter)
68. Luke 16:15
And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Luke 16:14-16 (in Context) Luke 16 (Whole Chapter)
69. Revelation 21:27
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Revelation 21:26-28 (in Context) Revelation 21 (Whole Chapter)
Not murder, not suicide, not rape, not even disbelief in God. Oh and to add, Lot's daughters got their father drunk and had sex with them.

Genesis 19:31-32

"And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth: Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father."

If we follow your idiocy, then they were just like the men of Sodom. They raped their father, just like the men of Sodom, as you so retardly suggest, wanted to rape Lot's guests. Did anything happen to them for such an act that Sodom was destroyed for?? No.

Two very different points. But what I am saying is:
The men of Sodom did not want to have sex with the 2 men in Lots house. Ref. "yadha". You could not prove your point on that.
But if you insist they did want to have sex with them was it consensual??
If it was not consensual it would have been rape.
Rape can never = consensual sex of any kind. Not even homosexual.

Please try again but do reserch before you type.

Nice copy and paste job.

You ended up saying nothing.

Genesis 18:32

"And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once; Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake".

I read a few of the examples you gave for the word "abomination". Now show me where what was referred to as an "abomination" was considered a *SIN*. Did you notice I capitalized the word *SIN*.

Then I went back and looked at some of the references you said about Sodom. I should've known that I should've checked them the first time. But I look at one in Deut -- the entire chapter was about who of the Isrealites neighbors they were allowed to commune with. Who was holy and who was unholy. So I can see how you and the queer coalition could warp that into Sodom being "unhospitable" -- but unless you read the entire chapter in its full context, you could create -- just as you have -- all kinds of weird crap.

Two very different points. But what I am saying is:
The men of Sodom did not want to have sex with the 2 men in Lots house. Ref. "yadha". You could not prove your point on that.
But if you insist they did want to have sex with them was it consensual??
If it was not consensual it would have been rape.
Rape can never = consensual sex of any kind. Not even homosexual.

Please try again but do reserch before you type.

No its not. You said that sex is rape without consent, and you suggested that this is the type of hostile behavior that Sodom was destroyed for. Well, Lot's daughters "RAPED" Lot because they did it without his consent. They should've been destroyed for carrying on what the Sodomites did. So either you are wrong about the Sodomites wanting to rape the Angels or you are wrong about your definition of rape.

And yes I very much proved my point about "yadha".

It was used twice in that chapter. Once when the Sodomites referred to the angels and once when Lot referred to his daughters. Both contexts meant the same thing. To have sex with.

As I said before, angels are asexual beings. They have no desire for or against sex.

Nice copy and paste job.

You ended up saying nothing.

Genesis 18:32

"And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once; Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake".

I read a few of the examples you gave for the word "abomination". Now show me where what was referred to as an "abomination" was considered a *SIN*. Did you notice I capitalized the word *SIN*.
15. Deuteronomy 7:25
The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therin: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.
Its just 1 of many.
Then I went back and looked at some of the references you said about Sodom. I should've known that I should've checked them the first time. But I look at one in Deut -- the entire chapter was about who of the Isrealites neighbors they were allowed to commune with. Who was holy and who was unholy. So I can see how you and the queer coalition could warp that into Sodom being "unhospitable" -- but unless you read the entire chapter in its full context, you could create -- just as you have -- all kinds of weird crap.

You have said nothing here that makes your point try again.
Post chapter and verse don't just make claims with out referances.

No its not. You said that sex is rape without consent, and you suggested that this is the type of hostile behavior that Sodom was destroyed for. Well, Lot's daughters "RAPED" Lot because they did it without his consent. They should've been destroyed for carrying on what the Sodomites did. So either you are wrong about the Sodomites wanting to rape the Angels or you are wrong about your definition of rape.

And yes I very much proved my point about "yadha".

It was used twice in that chapter. Once when the Sodomites referred to the angels and once when Lot referred to his daughters. Both contexts meant the same thing. To have sex with.

which makes both my points. Sodom was not destoried because of consensual homosexual sex. Because as you say the angels did not consent and it was not destoried because of the intent to rape the angels. These are leaps of interpratation that have to be made to try and put the homosexual twist.
Jewish girls live a very sheltered and protected life. They were most likely never aquanted with any men. They would have known/been aquanted with boys but not men.

As I said before, angels are asexual beings. They have no desire for or against sex. Then it was not homosexual was it. An asexual with a male can't equal homosexual.

What the angels wanted or did not want does not matter. Its what the men of Sodom wanted that is in question.

which makes both my points. Sodom was not destoried because of consensual homosexual sex. Because as you say the angels did not consent and it was not destoried because of the intent to rape the angels. These are leaps of interpratation that have to be made to try and put the homosexual twist.
Jewish girls live a very sheltered and protected life. They were most likely never aquanted with any men. They would have known/been aquanted with boys but not men.Then it was not homosexual was it. An asexual with a male can't equal homosexual.
What the angels wanted or did not want does not matter. Its what the men of Sodom wanted that is in question.


1. Genesis ch 18

God was going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah before these men made their gay requests. The gay invitation just threw gasoline on an already lit flame. We've already established that "yadha" was a sexual knowledge. This rewriting of the facts is tiresome.

2. The men of the town wanted to know the *MEN* staying with Lot. We've already talked about this. The men of Sodom didn't know that these were angels. They didn't know that they were asexual. They *SAW* men. They *WANTED* men. So their intentions were homosexual.

YALL 2 STILL AT IT i will continue to sit on the side lines

I'll never let a sissy get on top of me.

I'll never let a sissy get on top of me.


for ur GF sake, i hope not

1. Genesis ch 18

God was going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah before these men made their gay requests. The gay invitation just threw gasoline on an already lit flame. We've already established that "yadha" was a sexual knowledge. This rewriting of the facts is tiresome.
Uh no. We have established that over 900 times yadha meant simply to know. You are trying to say that is one time it meant consensual homosexual sex. We have also established that rape can never equal consensual homosexual sex. Sorry but you just can't change what is actually written.
2. The men of the town wanted to know the *MEN* staying with Lot. We've already talked about this. The men of Sodom didn't know that these were angels. They didn't know that they were asexual. They *SAW* men. They *WANTED* men. So their intentions were homosexual.

I've already posted my reference and source.

I've already posted my reference and source.

Oh yeah thats right your objective search and post. The one where you found a bit about the word yadha that had much missing from it. I wounder how many sites you had to read until you found that one. Because when I searched yadha in yahoo on the first 2 pages every thing that was in english confirmed what I was saying. Oh and by the way I also posted those results.

There is no reference in the Bible that links homosexuality to Sodom and no matter how you or anyone else tries you can't make it so. Yadha will never equal consensual homosexual sex nor will it equal rape.

You or any one else may try again if you like.

I don't have to. This entire endeavor is silly. Homosexuals are the only deviants in society hellbent on using the Bible of all books to defend their homosexuality. We can disregard the story of Sodom and Gomorrah because it is obvious, just as many people have agendas on both sides of the issue. So you'll find opinions that support your beliefs and I'll find opinions that support mine.

What will not happen and cannot happen is a justification for deviant behavior based on Biblical teachings.

I posted a story about Lot's daughters engaging in incest. How many people you know on this planet that are dumb enough to use this as a justification for their incestuous behavior?? None.

Abraham was told by God to murder his son. How many people you know on this planet that are dumb enough to use this as a justification for their murderous behavior -- well there are pretty stupid people but there's no way they'll get away with it.

Same with rape.

Same with adultery.

You name it.

So I wonder why homosexuals, which the Bible and christianity as a whole have demonized for centuries, would have the gall to use the Bible and christianity to defend faggotry. That is insane to me. I think the funny thing is that the secular discussions have failed. Homosexuality isn't genetic like they've been arguing for years. So they switch gears to argue that it is divine will that they sissy another man or woman.

I don't have to. This entire endeavor is silly. Homosexuals are the only deviants in society hellbent on using the Bible of all books to defend their homosexuality. We can disregard the story of Sodom and Gomorrah because it is obvious, just as many people have agendas on both sides of the issue. So you'll find opinions that support your beliefs and I'll find opinions that support mine.
This is so true but like you those on the opposing side of GLBT leave things out so it will read as you would liked it to.
What will not happen and cannot happen is a justification for deviant behavior based on Biblical teachings.
Just as it was justified to stop murdering people for simply being left handed or because they knew bush medicine. Thats right christians demonized them to and used the Bible to justify it. Now we (GLBT) to are saying its enough. Just as those that stood to stop the murder of human beings (witches) studied the Bible and its sources. We are studing the Bible and its sources and saying to you and those like you, You are wrong you are hypocrits. It had to be done to save people from the witch (human beings) burnings.
I posted a story about Lot's daughters engaging in incest. How many people you know on this planet that are dumb enough to use this as a justification for their incestuous behavior?? None.

Abraham was told by God to murder his son. How many people you know on this planet that are dumb enough to use this as a justification for their murderous behavior -- well there are pretty stupid people but there's no way they'll get away with it.

Same with rape.

Same with adultery.

You name it.

So I wonder why homosexuals, which the Bible and christianity as a whole have demonized for centuries,My point made you see as soon as you see us as human beings you lose. As to the centuries no matter how longits has been it can never make it right. No matter how long people thought the world was flat could the ever make it flat. Even if the Bible referred to the 4 corners of the earth and we know a globe has not corners. would have the gall to use the Bible and christianity to defend faggotry. Christians have used the Bible to defend the torture and murder of hundreds of thousands of men women and children. That is insane to me. Now here you have said a mouth full. I think the funny thing is that the secular discussions have failed. Homosexuality isn't genetic like they've been arguing for years. So they switch gears to argue that it is divine will that they sissy another man or woman.

They do not say it is genetic but the do say it is from the womb. You are born GLBT or str8. Genes are not the only thing that determines how a child will turn out.

Oh in looking at a transgender bridal site I got lead to this site.
http://www.truluck.com/html/the_bible_and_homosexuality.html
have a nice day oh and do please try again.

I don't tri...or bi..

I'm heterosexual. So you can save your tri for your boyfriend or girlfriend or whatever one you flip the coin for today.

I won't apologize for christianity, I'm smarter than that. But if I see somebody do something stupid, then I won't repeat their stupidity. You are saying "well, christians did it -- so why can't I". The point is, the first time christians did it, they made a mistake. Everybody knows it was a mistake. A big big mistake. But knowing that they made a mistake and you come following their footsteps and admittingly making the same mistake makes you so much less than the ones you fighting against.