I don't tri...or bi..

I'm heterosexual. So you can save your tri for your boyfriend or girlfriend or whatever one you flip the coin for today.
I am very happily married to a very supportive woman. You attempt at an insult makes me laugh. You see you guess but I know.
I won't apologize for christianity, I'm smarter than that. But if I see somebody do something stupid, then I won't repeat their stupidity. But you are, you are using the Bible to justify fear, hate and discrimination. Do you know what comes after fear and hate? Violence. You are saying "well, christians did it -- so why can't I". The big difference is they (christians) used the Bible to perpetuate hate and discrimination on their fellow human beings. I am using it to try and create unity, respect and love of your fellow human being. Do you really need to hate and destroy what you can't change. Do you really need to make me and all the other GLBT less human there for less entitled to human rights? The point is, the first time christians did it, they made a mistake. and how many other times??? shall I list a few for you?? Everybody knows it was a mistake. A big big mistake. But knowing that they made a mistake and you come following their footsteps and admittingly making the same mistake makes you so much less than the ones you fighting against.

It is a mistake again. If you study your history christianity as you know it today, was built on fear and hate. You see to unite a people just give them something to fear and hate.

LOL. I toy with you. You don't want to get into a debate with me. Regardless of the topic. I'm new to this board so I'm in a sense "sizing up" the users. I wouldn't dare use internet sources as references in any debate. That shows that you don't really *KNOW* the subject its simply random bits of information that you stumbled across using a search engine. A winner of such a debate is someone with more patience to perform more searches. Initially, I tried an intellectual debate with you by references universally accepted and acknowledged studies on the subject. Which you rejected. The study you referred to to prove homosexuality isn't a choice or learning experience is a more famous joke than "why did the chicken cross the road..." Do yourself a favor. Buy the books, understand the research. You'll know why this or that experiment does or does not work. Internet websites can't make up for 600-700 pages of text, with three or four paragraphs.

Sorry, but I can't take you seriously. That is why I make fun of you, that is why I don't bother giving this debate any effort other than simply antagonizing you. Its funny to me that you think you've scored or successfully defended your opinions. Let me know when you've built your library and completed your studies.

1. I didn't use the Bible to justify anything. I foolishly followed you into a Biblical debate.

2. I don't need anything from the GLBT community, other than being honest with themselves. People accept what they understand. Reject what they don't. Truth is understandable. A lie is always confusing. And the GLBT jump from one lie to the next. You wonder why there is a backlash against Christianity. But Christianity is slowly coming to terms with the truth. You should too. Because I don't want to change you to be straight. The more gays there are the more women there are for me. But you, the GLBT community, are putting out misinformation to combat misinformation. That's not how you win. You fight lies with truth. Not lies with even bigger lies.

3. You don't want to get into a historical debate about christianity. Christianity was not built on fear and hate. Humans are fearful and hateful. Humans will use any weapon at their disposal that they feel will adequately achieve the desired results. The Doer does what the Thinker thinks. A self-fulfilling prophecy. If you believe that homosexuality is genetic, the "do" part of your psyche will find and justify all evidence to support this thought. It will also invalidate evident that doesn't support this thought. All humans do it. Even Einstein was wrong, he proved it by calling the person who proved him wrong a Nazi. Humans will do anything to substantiate their beliefs, even corrupt christianity. All the time scholars, or so called scholars, throw out unsubstantiated claims about homosexuality and sexuality in general to make their agenda seem legitimate. You are doing the same thing you are fighting, or supposedly fighting against. You are generalizing Christianity a subject you seem to know very little about. Just as homosexuals were/are demonized because they are objectified, you are doing the same thing. You are objectifying christianity.

LOL. I toy with you. You don't want to get into a debate with me. Regardless of the topic. I'm new to this board so I'm in a sense "sizing up" the users. I wouldn't dare use internet sources as references in any debate. That shows that you don't really *KNOW* the subject its simply random bits of information that you stumbled across using a search engine. A winner of such a debate is someone with more patience to perform more searches. Initially, I tried an intellectual debate with you by references universally accepted and acknowledged studies on the subject. Universal to who and accepted by who. No matter how much proof there was and no matter how universally it was accepted the world was not flat was it. Fact we the GLBT are here we have always been here and will always be here. You might be able to make us hide but we are still here. Its just a question of how long will people like you keep up the hate. Which you rejected. The study you referred to to prove homosexuality isn't a choice or learning experience is a more famous joke than "why did the chicken cross the road..." Do yourself a favor. Buy the books, understand the research. You'll know why this or that experiment does or does not work. Internet websites can't make up for 600-700 pages of text, with three or four paragraphs.
You have no clue which books I have or don't have. You have no clue as to what I have studied and what I have not studied. When I post a link to a web site it does not mean that is the only place I get my information. It is simply a place where all can read. Do you really think the links I have posted are just for the purpose of debating you or anyone else? You can't study chickens or heterosexuals to learn about GLBT. You have to study GLBT.

Sorry, but I can't take you seriously. That is why I make fun of you, that is why I don't bother giving this debate any effort other than simply antagonizing you. Its funny to me that you think you've scored or successfully defended your opinions. Let me know when you've built your library and completed your studies.
Do you really think I care what you think???? You have given this debate all you have and you can't do any more.
1. I didn't use the Bible to justify anything. I foolishly followed you into a Biblical debate. Think you better look back you opened it again. One only needs to click on find all post by MikkiForbes and they can see for them selves that when we first started this discussion it was you that brought up a Bible reference. http://bahamasissues.com/showpost.php?p=22184&postcount=322 You may try again.

2. I don't need anything from the GLBT community, other than being honest with themselves. People accept what they understand. Reject what they don't. Truth is understandable. A lie is always confusing. And the GLBT jump from one lie to the next. Uh sorry we have not jumped from one lie to the next. We have said and still say we are born this way. You wonder why there is a backlash against Christianity. But Christianity is slowly coming to terms with the truth. This is true this is true. How long did it take christianity to come to terms that people are just born left handed and not workers of the devil? Oh by the way there is no proof as to what causes people to be left handed either. You should too. Because I don't want to change you to be straight. The more gays there are the more women there are for me. first off there is 1 woman on this earth you will not have. You can have all the rest. But you have forgotten lesbians you can't have them either. But you, the GLBT community, are putting out misinformation to combat misinformation. That's not how you win. You fight lies with truth. Not lies with even bigger lies.
As long as you are happy
3. You don't want to get into a historical debate about christianity. Any time you are ready. Christianity was not built on fear and hate. Humans are fearful and hateful. So christianity was built by mice or some other creature other than human. You have made my point. Humans will use any weapon at their disposal that they feel will adequately achieve the desired results. The Doer does what the Thinker thinks. A self-fulfilling prophecy. If you believe that homosexuality is genetic, the "do" part of your psyche will find and justify all evidence to support this thought. It will also invalidate evident that doesn't support this thought. All humans do it. even you Even Einstein was wrong, he proved it by calling the person who proved him wrong a Nazi. Humans will do anything to substantiate their beliefs, even corrupt christianity. All the time scholars, or so called scholars, throw out unsubstantiated claims about homosexuality and sexuality in general to make their agenda seem legitimate. You are doing the same thing you are fighting, or supposedly fighting against. You are generalizing Christianity a subject you seem to know very little about. Really! Ok then teach me. Just as homosexuals were/are demonized because they are objectified, you are doing the same thing. You are objectifying christianity.

Sorry you feel so badly about our discussion that in order to make yourself feel better you have to use insults.

on the left hand, right hand issue. i would just like to know WHO DECIDED THAT WRITING RIGHT HANDED WAS THE PROPER WAY TO DO IT. :confused:

ok tell me thus how are homosexuals made
can a homosexual make a homosexual
if not the debate is over
lets make a law

marrage is only allowed if you can bare children within the marrage by way of both parties
and then

create two communnes
1 homo men and homo women
youngest 10 oldest 90

give both an sustainable econimy managed by themselvs and allow them to doo buisness with their opposits and us the straight world too
how long will these communities last . ?

so if THE YHA is ok with this
he will provide them with the ability to be fruitful and multiply in both communities

TODAH YAH

Universal to who and accepted by who. No matter how much proof there was and no matter how universally it was accepted the world was not flat was it. Fact we the GLBT are here we have always been here and will always be here. You might be able to make us hide but we are still here. Its just a question of how long will people like you keep up the hate.

1. But, when the earth was considered fact, *THAT* was the *LATEST* evidence. So when I say universally accepted truths, I mean the latest research. Which solidly debunks the studies that you have referenced.

You have no clue which books I have or don't have. You have no clue as to what I have studied and what I have not studied. When I post a link to a web site it does not mean that is the only place I get my information. It is simply a place where all can read. Do you really think the links I have posted are just for the purpose of debating you or anyone else? You can't study chickens or heterosexuals to learn about GLBT. You have to study GLBT

2. I don't need to know. Your posts, your opinions speak volumes on what you know and do not know. So I laugh. You're right, you can't study anything other than homosexuals to determine homosexuality. But guess what, the references you gave didn't study homosexuals. They studied "AMORPHISM" -- go google it.

Think you better look back you opened it again. One only needs to click on find all post by MikkiForbes and they can see for them selves that when we first started this discussion it was you that brought up a Bible reference.

3. Do you mind if I call you a liar?? Because that is what you are:


Matthew 19:12 (King James Version)

12For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

What about eunuchhood????


So christianity was built by mice or some other creature other than human.

4. Yes. God is neither mouse nor human.

on the left hand, right hand issue. i would just like to know WHO DECIDED THAT WRITING RIGHT HANDED WAS THE PROPER WAY TO DO IT. :confused:

Right handedness was predominately a christian thing. But there where a few (very few so few almost not worth mentioning.) others groups/cultures that looked down on left handed people.

ok tell me thus how are homosexuals made
by heterosexuals. Just like how blind people are born to. Just like 2 right handed parents can produce a left handed child. Or 2 blue eyed parents produce brown eyed children. Or even how black parents produce an albino child.
can a homosexual make a homosexual
Yes if a homosexual man has sex with a homosexual woman. But other than that no.
if not the debate is over
lets make a law

marrage is only allowed if you can bare children within the marrage by way of both parties
Sounds good to me. Only those people that can and want to have kids can be married. Thus marriage is no longer about love but reproduction.


and then

create two communnes
1 homo men and homo women
youngest 10 oldest 90

give both an sustainable econimy managed by themselvs and allow them to doo buisness with their opposits and us the straight world too
how long will these communities last . ?
forever because homosexuals come from heterosexual parents. We should also separate blond haired and blue eyed people from the rest as well. Hail Hitler. Hitler tried this sending homosexual men and women to concentration and death camps. He even tried breading a master race. Oh and there were homosexuals in the master race as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badges#Badge_coding_system
http://www.lambda.org/symbols.htm
Pink Triangle

As most everyone knows, the pink triangle is a symbol taken directly from the Nazi concentration camps. Usually when concentration camps and Nazis are mentioned, most people tend to think of Jews and the Jewish Holocaust (for good reason). But the fact that a large number of homosexual prisoners were in those same camps is an often ignored or overlooked fact of history.

The real story behind the pink triangle begins prior to World War II. Paragraph 175, a clause in German law, prohibited homosexual relations (much like many states in the U.S. today have laws against "crimes of nature"). In 1935, during Hitler's rise to power, he extended this law to include homosexual kissing, embracing, and even having homosexual fantasies. An estimated 25,000 people were convicted under this law between 1937 and 1939 alone. They were sent to prisons and later concentration camps. Their sentence also included sterilization, most commonly in the form of castration. In 1942, Hitler extended the punishment for homosexuality to death.

Prisoners in Nazi concentration camps were labeled according to their crimes by inverted colored triangles. "Regular" criminals were denoted by a green triangle, political prisoners by red triangles and Jews by two overlapping yellow triangles (to form the Star of David, the most common Jewish symbol). Homosexual prisoners were labels with pink triangles. Gay Jews- the lowest form of prisoner- had overlapping yellow and pink triangles. This system also created a social hierarchy among the prisoners, and it has been reported that the pink triangle prisoners often received the worst workloads and were continually harassed and beaten by both guards and other prisoners.

Although homosexual prisoners were not shipped en mass to the Aushwitz death camps like so many of the Jewish prisoners, there were still large numbers of gay men executed there along with other non-Jewish prisoners. The real tragedy though occurred after the war. When the Allies defeated the Germany and the Nazi Regime, the political and remaining Jewish prisoners were released from the camps (the regular criminals- murderers, rapists, etc.- were not released for obvious reasons). The homosexual prisoners were never released though because Paragraph 175 remained West German law until 1969. So these innocent men watched as their fellow prisoners were set free, but remained prisoners for 24 more years.

In the 1970s, the pink triangle started to be used in conjunction with the gay liberation movement. When people, especially public figures such as law makers, were confronted with such a symbol, they risked being associated with the Nazis if he or she were to attempt to openly limit or prosecute gays. In the 1980s, when the triangle's popularity truly began to take off, ACT-UP (AIDS Coalition To Unleash Power) adopted the it as their symbol, but turned it upright to suggest an active fight rather than passive resignation. I've also been told that some people wear their triangles pointing up if they personally know somebody who has tied of AIDS. In any case, the pink triangle is definitely a symbol very closely connected to oppression and the fight against it, and stands as a vow never to let another Holocaust happen again. Like the word "queer," it is a symbol of hate which has been reclaimed and now stands for pride.

Black Triangle

The Pink Triangle was used exclusively with male prisoners- lesbians were not included under Paragraph 175. However, women were arrested and imprisoned for "antisocial behavior," which include anything from feminism, lesbianism, and prostitution to any woman who didn't conform to the ideal Nazi image of a woman: cooking, cleaning, kitchen work, child raising, passive, etc. These women were labeled with a black triangle. Just as the pink triangle has been reclaimed, lesbians and feminists have begun using the black triangle as a symbol of pride and sisterhood

http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/lively.html
As pro-homosexual Rabbi Bernard Mehlman puts it, "Homophobia and Anti-Semitism are part of the same disease."


so if THE YHA is ok with this
he will provide them with the ability to be fruitful and multiply in both communities

TODAH YAH

Somebody asked can a homosexual make a homosexaul and the response was "yes, if a homosexual man has sex with a homosexual woman".


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!

That is the funniest and dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. A homosexual man can have sex with a heterosexual woman and the child can grow up homosexual. A heterosexual man can have sex with a homosexual woman and the child can grow up homosexual. Didn't somebody else earlier imply that homosexuals can't have children because that would make them bi-sexual.

Tingumdem:

We don't have to make such a law. We can simply realize marriage for what it is -- a ritual. Ritualisms are religious. Even secular rituals are religious in content and context. Which I guess doesn't make them secular -- but what I meant was that secular people practice religious observances. What people don't understand is that there is a difference between religious observance or practice and religious belief. But we won't get into that debate just yet. Marriage is no different than baptism or communion. The state however, has chosen marriage as the only religious observance to, in a sense, marry. The state gives credence to a religious observance by legitimizing it. That's where we went wrong. Remember, separation of church and state so that secularisms do not dillute the value inherent in the ritual. And that is what has happened. We can go back to one simple rule. The state doesn't recognize marriage, just as the state doesn't legitimize baptism or communion. Everyone should be allowed civil unions. But only religious believers should be allowed the religious observance of marriage.

Simple.

your vast reading and knowlageshould dictate education
not the opposit blind people left handid people

o rite they had a choice when e born ,. yes i see
when the person was born they just chose to close their eyes forever and some how sever the optic nerve receptors to the brain
and the left handid people well i was told that when parents saw their childern using their left hand to doo any thing they beat then on that hand until they used their right something that was done in cultures all over the world
so the reading you have done is not in any way convincing .


and on this matter it is still running into a brick wall with me and i stand by what i say the most high YAH gave good or bad choices this. this is a pervision of the mind this is un natural very much so there is no room for same sex copulation same sex intercourse will not populate the world what ar you saying ? to me what you are saying that the world should be

believe me i am not a hater but i am a realist


ok this is another way i see it
the creator YAH made us human man woman but in the homosexual scheem of things they are saying thanks for the gender but i wanted to be a woman and you made me a manso i am aman traped in awomans body or am a woman traped in a mans body ., But thats ok you know i know you ment to but you messedup so ill takeit from here
i know a good asian doctor who can fix this he can cut it off and give me what i was supposed to have from jump street to me what you are saying
the blind the blond were born and didn't have a choice the homosexuals have a choice

1. But, when the earth was considered fact, *THAT* was the *LATEST* evidence. How many years did it take for people to understand the world is round???? So when I say universally accepted truths, I mean the latest research. Which solidly debunks the studies that you have referenced.
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/FlatWhyFlat.htm
Just as there is proof of the flat earth even today.
The studies did not debunk anything. How a human is made is not dependant on just genes. The studies only left more question than answers.



2. I don't need to know. Your posts, your opinions speak volumes on what you know and do not know. So I laugh. You're right, you can't study anything other than homosexuals to determine homosexuality. But guess what, the references you gave didn't study homosexuals. They studied "AMORPHISM" -- go google it.
You went to google to find the word? Try http://dictionary.reference.com/
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=AMORPHISM
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=amorphous

How ever I do understand what you are trying to say.
You think I am linking the phenomena that causes ambiguous sex with homosexual behavior. I am. You see I talk with many GLBT and all say they knew they we different since childhood same as me. You want to understand homosexuality ask a homosexual.
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/22/1728_56075?src=Inktomi&condition=Home%20&%20Top%20Stories
Its not just genetics.

what I am saying is where there is smoke there is fire.




3. Do you mind if I call you a liar?? Because that is what you are:
Not a liar just did not search back far enough. However you were the first to mention religion. But it matters not as to who started what. The results are still the same you can't prove Jack.




4. Yes. God is neither mouse nor human.

With out God/The Creator we the GLBT would not exist. Plain and simple.

Also even if it is as simple as a choice do we not have the human right to choose for our selves?? Or is it only heterosexuals that are free to choose?

Somebody asked can a homosexual make a homosexaul and the response was "yes, if a homosexual man has sex with a homosexual woman".


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!

That is the funniest and dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. A homosexual man can have sex with a heterosexual woman and the child can grow up homosexual. A heterosexual man can have sex with a homosexual woman and the child can grow up homosexual. Didn't somebody else earlier imply that homosexuals can't have children because that would make them bi-sexual.

Tingumdem:

We don't have to make such a law. We can simply realize marriage for what it is -- a ritual. Ritualisms are religious. Even secular rituals are religious in content and context. Which I guess doesn't make them secular -- but what I meant was that secular people practice religious observances. What people don't understand is that there is a difference between religious observance or practice and religious belief. But we won't get into that debate just yet. Marriage is no different than baptism or communion. The state however, has chosen marriage as the only religious observance to, in a sense, marry. The state gives credence to a religious observance by legitimizing it. That's where we went wrong. Remember, separation of church and state so that secularisms do not dillute the value inherent in the ritual. And that is what has happened. We can go back to one simple rule. The state doesn't recognize marriage, just as the state doesn't legitimize baptism or communion. Everyone should be allowed civil unions. But only religious believers should be allowed the religious observance of marriage.

Simple.


Now you have finally said something that makes sense.

your vast reading and knowlageshould dictate education
not the opposit blind people left handid people

o rite they had a choice when e born ,. yes i see
when the person was born they just chose to close their eyes forever and some how sever the optic nerve receptors to the brain
and the left handid people well i was told that when parents saw their childern using their left hand to doo any thing they beat then on that hand until they used their right something that was done in cultures all over the world
so the reading you have done is not in any way convincing .


and on this matter it is still running into a brick wall with me and i stand by what i say the most high YAH gave good or bad choices this. this is a pervision of the mind this is un natural very much so there is no room for same sex copulation same sex intercourse will not populate the world what ar you saying ? to me what you are saying that the world should be
sterial heterosexuals or those that choose not to have kids will not populate the world either. So their sex is a pervision of the mind as well.
believe me i am not a hater but i am a realist


ok this is another way i see it
the creator YAH made us human man woman but in the homosexual scheem of things they are saying thanks for the gender but i wanted to be a woman and you made me a manso i am aman traped in awomans body or am a woman traped in a mans body Now you are talking transexualism not homosexuality. Gender disphoria is very different from homosexuality.
., But thats ok you know i know you ment to but you messedup so ill takeit from here
i know a good asian doctor who can fix this http://srs-thailand.com/ he can cut it off It is turned inside out. and give me what i was supposed to have from jump street to me what you are saying
the blind the blond were born and didn't have a choice the homosexuals have a choice

A homosexual wants some one of the same sex not a transexual.

Somebody asked can a homosexual make a homosexaul and the response was "yes, if a homosexual man has sex with a homosexual woman".


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!

That is the funniest and dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. A homosexual man can have sex with a heterosexual woman and the child can grow up homosexual. A heterosexual man can have sex with a homosexual woman and the child can grow up homosexual. Didn't somebody else earlier imply that homosexuals can't have children because that would make them bi-sexual.

Tingumdem:



well i hope you were not thinking about me cuase thats not what i said. i said a person that has sex with both same and opposite sex is a bi sexual. a person could have had sex in the past with the opposite sex and then decide that wasnt for them and now they only have sex with the same sex. hence you would have a gay person that has off spring.


We don't have to make such a law. We can simply realize marriage for what it is -- a ritual. Ritualisms are religious. Even secular rituals are religious in content and context. Which I guess doesn't make them secular -- but what I meant was that secular people practice religious observances. What people don't understand is that there is a difference between religious observance or practice and religious belief. But we won't get into that debate just yet. Marriage is no different than baptism or communion. The state however, has chosen marriage as the only religious observance to, in a sense, marry. The state gives credence to a religious observance by legitimizing it. That's where we went wrong. Remember, separation of church and state so that secularisms do not dillute the value inherent in the ritual. And that is what has happened. We can go back to one simple rule. The state doesn't recognize marriage, just as the state doesn't legitimize baptism or communion. Everyone should be allowed civil unions. But only religious believers should be allowed the religious observance of marriage.

Simple.


i like that way of thinking and i never thought about it before. marriage is simply a ritual and the stat or gov should bud out of it. it should be up to individual preacher/ministers/pastor/JOP's to decide weather or not they would perform a sam sex marriage. if they wann be up in marriage so much why dont they past other laws on other rituals that gays cant be baptise or take communion or be ministers etc etc

ok brain lets see you put both men togeather and attempt ot get one or the other pregnant
haha or doo it with two women Dr Brain




omebody asked can a homosexual make a homosexaul and the response was "yes, if a homosexual man has sex with a homosexual woman".


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!

That is the funniest and dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. A homosexual man can have sex with a heterosexual woman and the child can grow up homosexual. A heterosexual man can have sex with a homosexual woman and the child can grow up homosexual. Didn't somebody else earlier imply that homosexuals can't have children because that would make them bi-sexual.

Tingumdem:

We don't have to make such a law. We can simply realize marriage for what it is -- a ritual. Ritualisms are religious. Even secular rituals are religious in content and context. Which I guess doesn't make them secular -- but what I meant was that secular people practice religious observances. What people don't understand is that there is a difference between religious observance or practice and religious belief. But we won't get into that debate just yet. Marriage is no different than baptism or communion. The state however, has chosen marriage as the only religious observance to, in a sense, marry. The state gives credence to a religious observance by legitimizing it. That's where we went wrong. Remember, separation of church and state so that secularisms do not dillute the value inherent in the ritual. And that is what has happened. We can go back to one simple rule. The state doesn't recognize marriage, just as the state doesn't legitimize baptism or communion. Everyone should be allowed civil unions. But only religious believers should be allowed the religious observance of marriage.

Simple.

why do we marry
multiplaction of the species brain is the first order preservation of a race
brain