why do we marry
multiplaction of the species brain is the first order preservation of a race
brain

Marriage does not result in children.

why do we marry
multiplaction of the species brain is the first order preservation of a race
brain


i think i can answer that one. not even most married people know why they marry, especially the up in comers. today people get married to be scene, to say thats my husband/iwife over there, they get married to say: "see i could do it to", they do it for immigration purposes, they do it so they dont have to be lonely, they do it to please others, they do it out of spite, they do it becuase they THINK they in love and five minutes later it falls apart like a korean car. hmm y do people get married? cuase today it seems that very know why you should get married

Vicky:

1. Actually, people knew the world was round way before Christopher Columbus. Europeans believed the world was flat. It appears only Europeans wrote history.

2. Where there is smoke there is fire?? That's sound scientific logic isn't it. Right. Congratulations, you knew you were homosexual from childhood. I'm sorry, there's very little I remember from my childhood. What I do remember was that I hated girls. Like most boys. My sexuality wasn't expressed until I entered puberty. Its interesting to me that homosexuals, lesbians, bi-sexuals, all seem to defy human development by learning of their sexuality way before heterosexuals seem to. Which, as I stated before, is one of those misinformations that the GLBT community insists on. You can't retro-fit sexuality. By that I mean, you can't be 40 years old and understand what you did when you were 14 years old. You will only understand it as a 40 year old looking back. But a 40 year old mind is different from a 14 year old mind. Homosexuals seem to be the only group that insists that this is possible despite volumes of psychological evidence suggesting the contrary. They are always the ones that remember being homosexual. I don't remember being heterosexual at 6 or 7 years old. I'd like you to commit yourself to science because you're a psychological phenomenon.

3. It does matter who started what. My point was that it is ridiculous for a homosexual to use the Bible to justify homosexuality. I'm not trying to prove jack. You are. Don't forget you started referencing the Bible. Slave owners referenced the Bible. Murders can reference the Bible. People committing incest can reference the Bible. But they're taken as seriously as a homosexual referencing the Bible to legitimize homosexuality. Its a laughable idea at the least.

4. Yes, GLBT do have the right to chose. Murderers make choices. People who sleep with animals make choices. Everyone makes choices. GLBT, however don't expect a consequence to their choices. After all, there are no victims. But to be accurate, there never are any true victims. All crimes are crimes against society. Society is the only true victim. So society decides which actions are criminal. Which actions are constructive and which are destructive -- victim or no victim. Perjury and contempt are victimless crimes. Actually, again...I'm following on a tangent. The discussion is about homosexual marriage. Not the rightness or wrongness of homosexuality. That is another discussion.

Bahmaboy:

No, it wasn't you. Can't remember his/her name. Don't feel like going back and looking.

TingumDem:

Marriage has nothing to do with procreation. Actually, self-preservation is the first order of preservation of the race. If you die you probably can't multiply. But again, marriage is ritualistic. Which means that it was created or designed. If it was never created or designed humans would still procreate. Procreation is animalistic by nature and we are a higher level of animal. Marriage is humanistic by nature, secondary to our animalisms.

Didn't somebody else earlier imply that homosexuals can't have children because that would make them bi-sexual

hmmmm...surely this is incorrect? i am way out of my league on this issue, but surely, if two homosexuals have sexual relations, for the sole purpose of procreation...that does not make them bisexual...i figured to be able to call yourself bisexual or to be labelled as bi, there would be the need for the mental element present? thus women who experiment with women arent necessarily bisexual - that label comes when they take on that lifestyle. It then follows that the same goes for homosexuals that have sex to create an offspring. they are not bi - since the reason for that particular relation was to have a child...right?

:dgi:

There is a huge difference between homosexuality and pedophilia. One of the possible reasons why it may be called sick and perverted is because the child CANNOT consent. They may say yes verbally, but it is far to easy to manipulate a child into doing what an adult desires.

Based on this response it seems like you are trying to state that human intimacy is a want and not a need. If that is your take on the issue, then while interesting, it is far from true. The need for intimacy is one of the three basic human needs along with the need for food and water. We may not need intimacy to live, like we need food and water, but we need intimacy for the individual to be healthy and productive member of society. Some people drown themselves in alcohol, some drown themselves in work, and others use other methods simply to compensate for this need for intimacy. But we all cannot do that. More importantly, if one isn't attracted to a person of the opposite sex, then they will not meet this need for intimacy. Furthermore, why should a homosexual person forgo fulfilling that basic need for human intimacy simply to conform to a hetero-normative social design?

I disagree with this to a certain degree because we have monks, priest and nuns that take vows of celibacey(excuse the spelling) and still are very productive in our society.

Vicky:

1. Actually, people knew the world was round way before Christopher Columbus. Europeans believed the world was flat. It appears only Europeans wrote history.
From the time of ancient Greece actually.
2. Where there is smoke there is fire?? That's sound scientific logic isn't it. Scientists have used it for years. You see the smoke and you search till you find the cause of the smoke. Right. Congratulations, you knew you were homosexual from childhood. Please let this pass beyond your eyes so it might touch your brain. I AM TRANSGRENERED. very different from homosexuals. I'm sorry, there's very little I remember from my childhood. Thats right there is very little but there are things that stand out. many of which were my gender conflict. What I do remember was that I hated girls. Like most boys. I hated boys as most girls do. My sexuality wasn't expressed until I entered puberty. Its interesting to me that homosexuals, lesbians, bi-sexuals, all seem to defy human development by learning of their sexuality way before heterosexuals seem to. So are you saying you were an adult when you entered puberty. No you were a child. In your childhood. Which, as I stated before, is one of those misinformations that the GLBT community insists on. Not misinformation see above maybe misunderstanding on your part. How ever as I have said before transgender is very different. Most of us have memories of gender conflict very early. Mine was in the 4th grade and I remember it well. You can't retro-fit sexuality. By that I mean, you can't be 40 years old and understand what you did when you were 14 years old. You will only understand it as a 40 year old looking back. But a 40 year old mind is different from a 14 year old mind. Homosexuals seem to be the only group that insists that this is possible despite volumes of psychological evidence suggesting the contrary. They are always the ones that remember being homosexual. Just as you remember being heterosexual. I don't remember being heterosexual at 6 or 7 years old. I'd like you to commit yourself to science because you're a psychological phenomenon.
I believe this comment is because you are linking sexuality to gender identity. Both are very different. I do have family members that have asked how do I turn on and off childhood. In the sense that I can relate so well with kids. I actually injoy a good game of got you last as a good game of monopoly.
3. It does matter who started what. My point was that it is ridiculous for a homosexual to use the Bible to justify homosexuality. The Bible can be used to justify just about anything. Murder genocide slavery and homophobia. Using the Bible for hate has to stop. I have proven my point that the Bible has only 1 reference in Leviticus that could be used against homosexuals. The question here is how many people live by Levitical law? AKA the holiness code and the holiness code was for the Israelites. I am not an Israelite. I'm not trying to prove jack. You are. Don't forget you started referencing the Bible. Slave owners referenced the Bible. Murders can reference the Bible. People committing incest can reference the Bible. But they're taken as seriously as a homosexual referencing the Bible to legitimize homosexuality. Its a laughable idea at the least.
In your opinion. Oh and don't forget the men with their many wives and the Bible.
4. Yes, GLBT do have the right to chose. Murderers make choices. People who sleep with animals make choices. Everyone makes choices. GLBT, however don't expect a consequence to their choices. After all, there are no victims. But to be accurate,That is correct because its about consenting adults. If a person consents to be murdered robbed or assaulted that is their choice. there never are any true victims. Wait till you or you wife/child face a gun and get robbed you will personally understand what it is to be a victim. Wait till the laws says you can't marry the person you love then you will understand discrimination. All crimes are crimes against society. Society is the only true victim. So society decides which actions are criminal. Which actions are constructive and which are destructive -- victim or no victim. But is society always right?? No So the people that were wronged stood up for their rights so society would change. This change never happened over night and it was never easy. Perjury and contempt are victimless crimes. Actually, again...I'm following on a tangent. The discussion is about homosexual marriage. Not the rightness or wrongness of homosexuality. That is another discussion.

Bahmaboy:

No, it wasn't you. Can't remember his/her name. Don't feel like going back and looking.

TingumDem:

Marriage has nothing to do with procreation. Actually, self-preservation is the first order of preservation of the race. If you die you probably can't multiply. But again, marriage is ritualistic. Which means that it was created or designed. If it was never created or designed humans would still procreate. Procreation is animalistic by nature and we are a higher level of animal. Marriage is humanistic by nature, secondary to our animalisms.

I disagree with this to a certain degree because we have monks, priest and nuns that take vows of celibacey(excuse the spelling) and still are very productive in our society.


Yes, and they would go into that other category. The category with those persons who substitute something else for that need of intimacy.

hmmmm...surely this is incorrect? i am way out of my league on this issue, but surely, if two homosexuals have sexual relations, for the sole purpose of procreation...that does not make them bisexual...i figured to be able to call yourself bisexual or to be labelled as bi, there would be the need for the mental element present? thus women who experiment with women arent necessarily bisexual - that label comes when they take on that lifestyle. It then follows that the same goes for homosexuals that have sex to create an offspring. they are not bi - since the reason for that particular relation was to have a child...right?

:dgi:


Yay!!! Someone else on here that is sensible. You are quite correct on what you stated here. According to many persons here there is no mental aspect involved. So I guess that means if a guy kisses another guy in a dare that means he is gay or at least bi. Regardless of if he enjoys it or how he feels about it. Glad to know that there are other people here that can think outside of the box.

ok tell me thus how are homosexuals made
can a homosexual make a homosexual
if not the debate is over
lets make a law

marrage is only allowed if you can bare children within the marrage by way of both parties
and then

create two communnes
1 homo men and homo women
youngest 10 oldest 90

give both an sustainable econimy managed by themselvs and allow them to doo buisness with their opposits and us the straight world too
how long will these communities last . ?

so if THE YHA is ok with this
he will provide them with the ability to be fruitful and multiply in both communities

TODAH YAH


I must admit, this gave me a good laugh, partly because I still can't see what in the world this little experiment would prove at all.

believe me i am not a hater but i am a realist

ok this is another way i see it
the creator YAH made us human man woman but in the homosexual scheem of things they are saying thanks for the gender but i wanted to be a woman and you made me a manso i am aman traped in awomans body or am a woman traped in a mans body ., But thats ok you know i know you ment to but you messedup so ill takeit from here
i know a good asian doctor who can fix this he can cut it off and give me what i was supposed to have from jump street to me what you are saying
the blind the blond were born and didn't have a choice the homosexuals have a choice


You don't seem like much of a realist to me at all. You seem like just another misguided hetero that assumes every gay man you meet must want to be a woman. God forbid a man actually be comfortable with himself as a man and still be attracted to another man, because that would be impossible, wouldn't it??? :taped2:

1. From the time of Ancient Greece the World was believed to be round. There's a book by Emerging Technologies entitled "Euclid's Window". How they knew the earth was round was because they did commerce using measurements of land. That's where geometry comes from -- it means "measuring the earth". Anyway, they would measure land by holding a rope from end to another end. When they looked down the rope -- it was curved. Thusly, the Egyptians, Assyrians and Greeks believed the earth to be round. Again I say, Europeans wrote history books.

2. Scientists investigate the cause of smoke. They don't conclude that because there is smoke that there is fire. You are jumping to a conclusion without investigation. Where there is smoke there is fire -- is jumping to a conclusion before investigation -- this is far from scientific.

3. No, I wasn't an adult when I was 14. But I wasn't a child either. You said you knew from childhood. Age 14 doesn't classify as childhood.

4. Every child has gender conflicts, it doesn't mean that we all know what it means. Apparently you had a higher level of understanding.

5. No, the Bible can't be used to justify any and everything. Something is useful if it is used for the purposes it was meant to be used for. It is misused when it is used for purposes it was not meant to be used for.

6. I grew up in Kemp Road and Nassau Village. I used to be gunhawk. Then I moved to West Palm Beach and I was Insane Crips. I know what it feels like to be shot, stabbed, left for dead. Don't begin to assume you know what I've been thru in life.

7. Society is never wrong. People are wrong. Society is objective. People are subjective. And I know you'll attempt to use Civil Rights, but I'll let you know that you're wrong ahead of time. So don't waste either of our time.

I wonder how long this apparent power struggle will continue between Vicky and Mikki. More importantly, I wonder who (if either one) will win.

Anyone out there want to place a bet on it??

all i know is i think this thread is going for a record number of post.

1. From the time of Ancient Greece the World was believed to be round. There's a book by Emerging Technologies entitled "Euclid's Window". How they knew the earth was round was because they did commerce using measurements of land. That's where geometry comes from -- it means "measuring the earth". Anyway, they would measure land by holding a rope from end to another end. When they looked down the rope -- it was curved. Thusly, the Egyptians, Assyrians and Greeks believed the earth to be round. Again I say, Europeans wrote history books.
As far as I understand it, it was the sea navigators that first recorded the round earth. But who cares. No matter what there was a time after that it was thought and taught tat the earth was flat. No matter how many people thought taught and proved the earth was flat would it never make it flat.
2. Scientists investigate the cause of smoke. They don't conclude that because there is smoke that there is fire. You are jumping to a conclusion without investigation. Where there is smoke there is fire -- is jumping to a conclusion before investigation -- this is far from scientific.
We are in the time of investigation of the GLBT phenomena. However there is enough proof for the medical scientist to conclude GLBT is not a choice. It exists in animals and humans. You can't study carrots to learn about homosexuality. You have to study homosexuals.
3. No, I wasn't an adult when I was 14. But I wasn't a child either. You said you knew from childhood. Age 14 doesn't classify as childhood.
What ever.
4. Every child has gender conflicts, it doesn't mean that we all know what it means. Apparently you had a higher level of understanding.
I did not know what I was until I was 35. Then it was confirmed by my mother when I told her about me.
5. No, the Bible can't be used to justify any and everything. Something is useful if it is used for the purposes it was meant to be used for. It is misused when it is used for purposes it was not meant to be used for.
So were Jesus teachings meant to be used for hate??
6. I grew up in Kemp Road and Nassau Village. I used to be gunhawk. Then I moved to West Palm Beach and I was Insane Crips. I know what it feels like to be shot, stabbed, left for dead. Don't begin to assume you know what I've been thru in life.
Just as you should begin to assume about GLBT or myself.
7. Society is never wrong. People are wrong. Society is objective. People are subjective. And I know you'll attempt to use Civil Rights, but I'll let you know that you're wrong ahead of time. So don't waste either of our time.

Society is the people no matter what you say. Society is not always right.

I wonder how long this apparent power struggle will continue between Vicky and Mikki. More importantly, I wonder who (if either one) will win.

Anyone out there want to place a bet on it??

For me its not about who wins or loses. Its about stoping misinformation. It about letting homophobs know that we are not going to stand by and let them promote their hypocritical ignorance no matter how educated they make it sound no matter how educated they seem. We are here and when it comes to GLBT issues we are smarter than they are because we have the upper hand, we are GLBT.

We GLBT have moms and dads brothers and sisters aunts uncles and other family. Most of them are learning that this is who we are. Some reject us out of fear and ignorance. Some reject us to save face. But the fact of the matter is most family members learn to rethink what they were taught to believe because of the love for us. Many stand and support us some stand a middle ground because they are still coming to terms with the issue. Fewer and fewer are rejecting us. As long as there are heteros they will give birth to GLBT.

Mikki can clam the win it matters not. I know I have helped many by the emails I have gotten. With that I win no matter what anyone else says.