3. You don't find men attractive. I can only take you at your word. There was a time when I swore that finding men attractive was disgusting. But I'm secure in my sexuality. People that can't admit that they can be attracted to both genders are in denial. Simple as that. Argue if you wish but I won't respond further. Not on this point. I think its ridiculous to say you're a man and you can't be attracted to men when you've never met every man alive. The same if your any gender or sexual preference.


first off let me say i find mikki, vikki, and Fk post very informative and i am glad they are still managing to have a mature convo without too much name calling; i think many people out there are just reading from the side lines. it has been intresting watching this discusion from the side lines but i had to post and say i think mikki's got u there vikki. i am not trying to say your lying but maybe your in subconsious denial like most other males on this subject. the key to really anwering this question is ask your self have you ever looked at a guy and said "damn that dude ugly hey" if you answered yes, which is something every guy has done about another guy or every girl has done about another girl. then oviously you have the capacity to say with in your self well thats a good looking guy or girl. a few months ago my moms friend had some one visiting from CUBA and my mom was telling how (blank) was such a beautiful girl and describing her features, keep in mind this is a 50 yr old woman, extreme christian, with children, who is far from gay. i told that story to show it has nothing to do with sexuality but becuase most people blurr that line they are afriad to admit that they can and have found the same sex attractive. we as humans just find things attractive or not attractive weather its people, babies, cars, houses, colors etc. if finding attractiveness in someone was strictly sexual i would be very afraid the next time someone says "wow you have a cute baby hey."

I guess. But what else do you expect when you get a hetero person implying that he knows more about homosexuality than a homosexual person? The audacity.
HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! :dancer:

for the heck of it Mikki, cause i think you answered this already (just trying to get to the BIG 5-0-0.... could it not be that those who join the military or end up in prison are changed because of their surroundings? as opposed to 'finding themselves'?

Also, I have another question: actually, i want to start a new discussion (perhaps needs a new thread, but keep in mind the big 5-0-0 :bye: ):...

What do you guys think about handing out condoms in prison? hell no or hell YES???

:confused:



yeah to me i dont think its finding your self becuase a person who has been having only hetrosexual relationships from they were 18 and were imprisoned at 28. they had a very long time to figure out weather or not they was getting pleasure from their hetrosexual practices. also i thought by the time the average person is in the mid 20's they should have already found their sexual preferance and know who they are. i would say becuase their enviroment changed thats why they ended "hoping the fence" for some its a temporary fix to a problem and when they get out they go back to hetroville and others decide they liked gaytown a little better i guess. all i know is this thread definatly proved sexuality is a very confusing and complex subject matter.

to answer your question about condoms in prison. i say if sex is going on in the prison then yes condoms should be handed out for free. this subject isnt a matter of weather or not its wrong, nasty, un holy etc. this is about community health, personal health, controlling STD's and trying to stop another person from becoming a statistic.

p.s.-MAN I WANTED TO BE POST 500. SUCK TEET

Also I have another topic..actually, it might tie in nicely. i met this very interesting guy over drinks one night. we got into a discussion about talented people. he takes the opinion that talent does not exist. he claims children who 'seem' talented because they have a certain inclination to be able to do things long before their peers are not 'talented' but have been exposed to a particular surrounding - which explains their 'talent'. i disputed this...to a certain extent. in some ways, it ties in with our topic - as it relates to amorphism (i guess :screw: )...but anyway, i finally relented, and said perhaps you have a point. but i retorted by asking him about gifted children. those not exposed to foreign languages or geometry for example who are able to speak another language fluently or memorise things at a very young age. he didnt buy it - went with the same argument - giftedness doesnt exist.

Question: does talent really exist, or is it something we have an inclination to because of our surroundings? Mikki you should be an expert!


that man was talking non sense. of course their is such a thing as talent and giftedness. talent is the ability to do something extremely well. giftedness, is possesing skills that you naturaly aquire with no exubrant amount of practicing.

eg's.

serena and venice williams, man they have talent but they work their butts off to tune their skill. i mean n e one can play tennis. pick up a racket and swing

i saw a documnetary on dateline or one of those shows with this boy that had achieved a doctorate degree by the time he was 16. his parents are regular joes and i dont think they had 1 degree let alone a doctorate. n e way this boys inexplicable ability to retain information, thats all intelligence is by the way, is a gift.

It is not a good point it is in fact a very bad point. This point is made on an assumption a heterosexual assumption.
If all the women in the world died would you be sexually attracted to a man?
Assuming you are heterosexual. Can you imagine getting on you knees and doing a guy orally? Can you imagine kissing a guy? I kissed a guy in my early years it was gross I mean really gross. He did not have bad breath or any thing like that just the touch of his face on mine yuk. I don't know how else to describe it but it is very repulsive to even think about. I knew then and there I was not gay but I still did not know what I was.



match and point for vikki. well right now i can not imagine that, i do find kissing another guy gross and actually sometimes i find kissing a girl gross, i am a little bit of a germa phobe but thats another story. but i have to say i still think mikki has a point if all the females were blown up on earth and it was only me and some dude left, and i wanted a BJ (brake job) would i dare cross that line? i guess i wont know until i am in that situation.

Vicky do you have a girlfriend/boyfriend? im confused...you are biologically male right?


angel go to the ask vicky thread or look at all of vicky's post. cuase this question has brought up some serious debates. i will bring up to speed here is a taste: vicky is a male that dresses, acts, sounds, and looks like a female. he is not gay but she is, did you get that? he has a wife but by law thats just her GF, they have children together.

mis guided !


you made a circle then now try to force a square peg through it and and pass it off as a normal thing give me a break to me all human gender finding themselve going for their same gender intimatley should know that it is un natural afection for one another

miss guided you say if that is so the whole torah is miss guided YAH my EL is miss guided
YAH said that before one of his words come back to him void the heavens and the earth shal sease from exixtance



TODAH YAH


OH BOY HERE WE GO AGAIN.

It sounds like you are saying that sexuality is based predominantly on environment. If that were the case, then all girls schools and all boys schools would be filled to the brim with homosexuals. If someone has the unfortunate circumstance of going to fox Hill prison, more than likely their homosexual encounter was forced and not consentual, i.e. rape.

It isnt that people are unsure of their sexuality, people are either afraid to admit it and accept it (and accept that society may not accept them fully). I say move on, once you are comfortable with who you are. If more people felt that way we wouldnt have these long threads of back and forth regurgitations.


UM, that statement did make me laugh. i dont think they are filled with homosexuals but they are filled with person that like to satisfy each other in their down times. especially those catholic all girls schools i believe thats where that girl on girl action is so hot ideology derived from :D

I guess. But what else do you expect when you get a hetero person implying that he knows more about homosexuality than a homosexual person? The audacity.


whos the homosexual person. from what i remeber vicky is a male that is married to a female :confused: very confusing

Finekameo:

How are the situations different?? In one instance you are accepting of the idea that heterosexual men can have homosexual tendencies but you aren't accepting of homosexual men having heterosexual tendencies??

Homosexuality is a behavior. Behaviorism is the study of emotion and motives. Not the same thing. Sorry if I suggested that they were.

Vicky:

1. There's a difference between understanding someone and understanding a behavior. You can't make a point by answering a question with a question or facing a challenge with a question. Henceforth, I'll ignore where you ask vague questions.

I have made my point which ever way you want to put it. fetal development is not just from genes. Genes are the building block of DNA. The blocks (genes) are assembled to the DNA differently for each and every one of us. We might have the same genes but it is how the are assembled that make us different. You know blue eyes brown eyes.

2. You haven't proven a point other than how confused you are. I still understand what the womb has to do with anything.

I don't thing so, Buddhism comes from Hinduism.
India is a part of the middle east. You can walk from China to Israel India is in between.

*sighs*

4. I can't take this. How are people allowed to say things like this on a public forum. Where do I begin. Buddhism came out of India, yes. At the time there were 4 castes. The Indus-Aryans were the orthodoxed Brahmin living near the Indus river. The indigenous peoples lived near the Ganges river. There revolt against the caste system created Buddhism which was based on the Vedas/Vendanta -- actually, the Upanishads. Hinduism came later or became hinduism later, based on the Bhagavad Gita. Wow. I can't have this convo. Forget it.



Ummm. I can't even concentrate now. I'm Buddhist by the way, does that automatically mean I know mo....stupid question, its rather obvious...

It sounds like you are saying that sexuality is based predominantly on environment. If that were the case, then all girls schools and all boys schools would be filled to the brim with homosexuals.

no not exactly - not predominantly. however, if you are a fella, big bahamian fella, and you in FHP, i just cant imagine that despite the fact you might be completely hetero, you might not feel the urge to do the nasty with another fella - circumstances, and like i said especially if you know you there for 2 decades. and i dont think you can comparea boarding school to a prison (although those who went to one may disagree with me: lol)

angel go to the ask vicky thread or look at all of vicky's post. cuase this question has brought up some serious debates. i will bring up to speed here is a taste: vicky is a male that dresses, acts, sounds, and looks like a female. he is not gay but she is, did you get that? he has a wife but by law thats just her GF, they have children together.

dangerous stuff...gatta look at this with a fresh mind in the mo'nin!


that man was talking non sense. of course their is such a thing as talent and giftedness. talent is the ability to do something extremely well. giftedness, is possesing skills that you naturaly aquire with no exubrant amount of practicing.

eg's.

serena and venice williams, man they have talent but they work their butts off to tune their skill. i mean n e one can play tennis. pick up a racket and swing

i saw a documnetary on dateline or one of those shows with this boy that had achieved a doctorate degree by the time he was 16. his parents are regular joes and i dont think they had 1 degree let alone a doctorate. n e way this boys inexplicable ability to retain information, thats all intelligence is by the way, is a gift.

i agree with you bahamaboy, i think some things cant be explained - except unless you consider someone gifted! like this indian guy i know who is able to memorise everything! he can look at the ingredients on a can of coke and call EBERYTHUNG off in 1 minute. the biggest joke was when he memorised all the numbers in my mobile (2 min. flat), then looked at me and said: you want me to call off the numbers backwards or forwards???!!! so i randomly choose names, and this dude even had country codes downpack! THAT is GIFTED!

PS: as for the 500...man i was jest WAITIN for that! :dancer:

Finekameo:

How are the situations different?? In one instance you are accepting of the idea that heterosexual men can have homosexual tendencies but you aren't accepting of homosexual men having heterosexual tendencies??


it is safe to say that SOME homosexuals do have heterosexual tendancies and SOME heterosexuals do have homosexual tendancies. this plays back to that sexual spectrum that one of you previously discussed. the closer the person is toward either side of the spectrum determines how strong these tendancies are. i would say that heterosexuality is just being on the extreme end of the heterosexual side of the spectrum, having absolutly no desire to be down with the same sex. vice versa for the homosexual side.

whos the homosexual person. from what i remeber vicky is a male that is married to a female :confused: very confusing


Sorry for confusing you. I am the homosexual one. ;)

How are the situations different?? In one instance you are accepting of the idea that heterosexual men can have homosexual tendencies but you aren't accepting of homosexual men having heterosexual tendencies??



it is safe to say that SOME homosexuals do have heterosexual tendancies and SOME heterosexuals do have homosexual tendancies. this plays back to that sexual spectrum that one of you previously discussed. the closer the person is toward either side of the spectrum determines how strong these tendancies are. i would say that heterosexuality is just being on the extreme end of the heterosexual side of the spectrum, having absolutly no desire to be down with the same sex. vice versa for the homosexual side.


I was actually about to say the very same thing. You were the one that first mentioned the spectrum Mikki, but in your description of the last homosexual left on earth surrounded by women you failed to acknowledge where this person lies on the spectrum. Just as I can agree that some persons may fall at extreme portions of the spectrum and remain totally hetero (even if they are in prison :sarcastic ) some men will remain homosexual, regardless of the lack of men.

no not exactly - not predominantly. however, if you are a fella, big bahamian fella, and you in FHP, i just cant imagine that despite the fact you might be completely hetero, you might not feel the urge to do the nasty with another fella - circumstances, and like i said especially if you know you there for 2 decades. and i dont think you can comparea boarding school to a prison (although those who went to one may disagree with me: lol)


on the fox hill thing/lets not forget the female inmates also. i think it goes back to what degree of the sexual scale the person is at and how long that person is going to be incarsirated with out their nookie.

eg:with 0 being outragously gay and 100 being totally straight:

i would say a person that is 99 on the scale and in jail for 35 yrs has the same percentage risk of "crossin the boarder" as a person that is a 60 and in jail for 5 yrs. what i am trying to say is i dont think n e one is 100% straight or gay, they might fight it to the death that they are but i dont think so. now i know yall will rile up on that one and i welcome all comments and ideas. i just think the most extreme anyone is straight is 99.99999999999 and the most extreme anyone is gay is 0.11111111111. the more extreme they are on either side it just takes longer for them to get desprete enough to crack.







i agree with you bahamaboy, i think some things cant be explained - except unless you consider someone gifted! like this indian guy i know who is able to memorise everything! he can look at the ingredients on a can of coke and call EBERYTHUNG off in 1 minute. the biggest joke was when he memorised all the numbers in my mobile (2 min. flat), then looked at me and said: you want me to call off the numbers backwards or forwards???!!! so i randomly choose names, and this dude even had country codes downpack! THAT is GIFTED!

PS: as for the 500...man i was jest WAITIN for that! :dancer:


wow, that dude is truely gifted. he must be really smart. as for the 500 thing. you stole my thunder. i guess i will have to start another heated thread. the funny thing is this thread had died down and then it just picked back up again