i was making refference to christianity in general...just as you were making refference to the taliban being a hi-jacked form of islam...just following your wandering as usual!

we didnt say better...but definatly not equal....everyones life is special to him or her, and special to thier creator, its up to you what you do with it!

The law of the land should reflect this.

but since you mention it...i do feel you feel that you are better than the average christian becasue of your tone...who doesnt agree with you is ignorant, obtuse and small minded!


If someone is going to make a statement or policy that effects my or anyone else’s life I say back it up. And not with faith but proof or I will ask which faith is right??? The fact the leaders of you faith have been proven wrong so many times it is unreal.

and thats good for you that you follow the teachings in red ;) ...i try to follow all of the examples put to me in the book from start to finish...im short on alot of things..but nonetheless i try...i never pick out one from the other to obey and follow...but since you read ONLY the red...at least you read some of it, and thats better than none!


so then the roof of you home has a railing around it so no 1 will fall from it???

well...understand that the majority of the bahmian peoples oppinions wont allow for homosexual marriage...they dont want it in their laws..and with the majority, unless there is a great awakeing, their will never be!
EVEN IN THE OVER ZEALOUSNESS...we show true shape on the laws of the bible...and in fact, quite honorable and fair as to dispensing it...compared to others!


Were you at the protest may be 300 people how many people in the Bahamas????


i dont follow you here?????


im not sure what GLBT stands for...but i hope they pay taxes, and respect the law!

G as in gay L as in lesbian B as in Bisexual T as in transgender.

this country is freedom and choice, and you have the choice to follow THE LAW or leave!
get with it...
or stay with out it...
like i said...you have the freedom to sleep and eat whatever and whoever you want, its not something you are forced to do...
if you want to worship satan in your room...you have the extreme right to.
but you dont have the right to do it in public with out consent form the govt..
and you dont have the consent to force it on anyone else!!

PUT IT TO A REFFERENDUM..AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS!! :D


Have you not seen the constitution reform booklet??

why are they afraid of it...homosexuals????
...know why, because they know it wont fly and never will fly!!!
that is why they try to abuse the court system and its requiremnt to give it equal....now thats true perversion and manipulation of the human mind and spirrit!


I am lost with this 1

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The law of the land should reflect this.
the laws of the land do reflect that..and it reflects the majority social rule that we live under!




If someone is going to make a statement or policy that effects my or anyone else’s life I say back it up. And not with faith but proof or I will ask which faith is right??? The fact the leaders of you faith have been proven wrong so many times it is unreal.

it affects your life because you want to do what you feel is right..not what the rest of us want to do!
you dont want to see it..because you more than openly state you only pick the red words to live by..like that was all the bible was, and the rest of the book was crap!
what you want to live by..and try to lead the people of this board is unreal...homosexuals hold the majority...no heterosexuals are beating down the door for adoption....heterosexuals are bad, and evil..all religion is tainted and only your word is good...c'mon!!
good for you..and that is fine, but some of us like the way we have it...and dont want to tamper with it, and we want it to progress at our rate...not because vicky says we should!


so then the roof of you home has a railing around it so no 1 will fall from it???
no....i try to let people participate in life...no segregation, only participation.
you, and the gays want to be recognized as seperate but the same...wtf???
we dont need to know your sex life
neither do we care!
but we do care of what you want to force on us...and i think the bahamian people are aware of what they want to see in their laws, and social living!

Were you at the protest may be 300 people how many people in the Bahamas????
the bahamian people were never really rally goers or protestors...one of our good points "which i admire" is we always have a way of dealing with our ideologies in a sensible and peaceful manner..
we have the right to voice, and we use that..but we are the DO people, and what we want to DO we DO...we dont need to show numbers ..or waive flags..or go to christie park to prove our bahamianinity, or patriotism.
we do it by the way we treat each other, and the way we set up our laws to protect the social fabric, and to protect the invested interest of the bahamian future.

btw, are you bahamian or an expat vic?

G as in gay L as in lesbian B as in Bisexual T as in transgender.

oooooohhhhhh....THAT!!! :board2:


Have you not seen the constitution reform booklet??
whatever it has in it...and im sure you will tell me, the fact still remains on what i said, legal or not!!
hold a national vote...or poll.."i still think polls are legal, if not we have to tell the webmasters here that they are involving themselves in illegal activity"...and see what happens??
no harm no foul! ;)


"why are they afraid of it...homosexuals????
...know why, because they know it wont fly and never will fly!!!
that is why they try to abuse the court system and its requiremnt to give it equal....now thats true perversion and manipulation of the human mind and spirrit! "
I am lost with this 1
well to break it down...
the gays are afraid of any national poll, or vote on homosexual marriage!
if they were so sure..and i know they have resources, they would try it at least once, even if it is unsupervised by neutral components, and with all their might to taint it even to their greatest advantage, it wont fly!

and secondly...... the perversion of the state courts, to give credence to your plight, and in an attempt to give credit, and false mass aproval, here and in the u.s. is a perversion of our court system, and is a manipulation of social order and conduct to the majority of the bahamian people and americans

gays and the courts who approve them are not in charge!
talk about forcing laws on people...something i thought you were against!

:bahamas: :bahamas: :bahamas: :bahamas: :bahamas: :bahamas: :bahamas:[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]

dont you like our flag??
:D

the laws of the land do reflect that..and it reflects the majority social rule that we live under!
Is the majority always right?????
it affects your life because you want to do what you feel is right..not what the rest of us want to do!
you dont want to see it..because you more than openly state you only pick the red words to live by..like that was all the bible was, and the rest of the book was crap!
Uh the words in red are the teachings of Christ him self. Christ came and taught a new way of life different from the Old Testament. Christ teaches us that we must treat all with equality. Christ teaches us that if you judge some one you your self will be judged by the same rules you judge others. You want me to live by a few rules that you pick in the Old Testament. I say you live by all the rules first then come talk to me.

Deuteronomy 22:8
When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence.

what you want to live by..and try to lead the people of this board is unreal...homosexuals hold the majority...no heterosexuals are beating down the door for adoption....heterosexuals are bad, and evil..all religion is tainted and only your word is good...c'mon!!
Now you are talking to hear your self. Remember I am heterosexual. Children should not have to be homeless. They should not have to be on orphanages.
If a religion makes a human being less equal yes it is wrong. When religion denies facts put before them it is wrong. How many times will Christian’s leaders have to say opps we were mistaken before they admit they can make mistakes???
good for you..and that is fine, but some of us like the way we have it...and dont want to tamper with it, and we want it to progress at our rate...
That’s why the world is flat.
not because vicky says we should!
That would make me just as bad as the Christian leaders that dictate their faith as fact no matter how many facts you show them. (The world is flat) I say research with an open mind for your self. Stop believing something just because its what has been instilled into you from a young age.
no....i try to let people participate in life...no segregation, only participation.
you, and the gays want to be recognized as seperate but the same...wtf???
Not so, we say equal not special equal.
we dont need to know your sex life
neither do we care!
but we do care of what you want to force on us...
You mean like you try to force us to be like you???
and i think the bahamian people are aware of what they want to see in their laws, and social living!
the bahamian people were never really rally goers or protestors...one of our good points "which i admire" is we always have a way of dealing with our ideologies in a sensible and peaceful manner..
what’s the song? Going down Burma road ani't go lick no body???????
we have the right to voice, and we use that..but we are the DO people, and what we want to DO we DO...we dont need to show numbers ..or waive flags..or go to christie park to prove our bahamianinity, or patriotism.
we do it by the way we treat each other, and the way we set up our laws to protect the social fabric, and to protect the invested interest of the bahamian future.
btw, are you bahamian or an expat vic?
Island in the sun willed to me by my father’s hand.
oooooohhhhhh....THAT!!! :board2:
whatever it has in it...and im sure you will tell me, the fact still remains on what i said, legal or not!!
hold a national vote...or poll.."i still think polls are legal, if not we have to tell the webmasters here that they are involving themselves in illegal activity"...and see what happens??
no harm no foul! ;)
"why are they afraid of it...homosexuals????
If we were afraid we would not have gone to the protest???
...know why, because they know it wont fly and never will fly!!!
that is why they try to abuse the court system and its requiremnt to give it equal....now thats true perversion and manipulation of the human mind and spirrit! "
well to break it down...
the gays are afraid of any national poll, or vote on homosexual marriage!
if they were so sure..and i know they have resources, they would try it at least once, even if it is unsupervised by neutral components, and with all their might to taint it even to their greatest advantage, it wont fly!
and secondly...... the perversion of the state courts, to give credence to your plight, and in an attempt to give credit, and false mass aproval, here and in the u.s. is a perversion of our court system, and is a manipulation of social order and conduct to the majority of the bahamian people and americans
gays and the courts who approve them are not in charge!
talk about forcing laws on people...something i thought you were against!
We are forcing no laws saying people must be transgendered or homosexual. But you want to force laws to make us non-transgendered and heterosexual.
Oh I see then the North should have waited till the South was ready to abolish slavery???? Women should have waited for men to give them their rights?? Want more??
:bahamas: :bahamas: :bahamas: :bahamas: :bahamas: :bahamas: :bahamas: [/QUOTE]
dont you like our flag??
:D

listen.....dont try to pervert this thing...

you talk in vague pervasisve tones, and when i meet you on your ground...you run back to some on the topic theme, that has been lost in your translation!
of course, i know what the red words are...you made mention to the red words, like the words in red held up because they were in red.
and jesus did say to give to ceasar what is his...
and respect the laws of the land
and never forget the teachings of the prophets of old!!

jesus never taught over the ten commandments..but he knew and we know that that is the laws written in stone!

i hope you use the ten commandments!

once again...you go off on a tangent that has no bearing on what we are talking about...and then bring it back when i bring you too.....
truly it is amusing!

like i said...
hold a national vote or poll...and see what happens!!
nuff said!!
:bahamas:

listen.....dont try to pervert this thing...

[QUOTE=yk2bad]you talk in vague pervasisve tones, and when i meet you on your ground...you run back to some on the topic theme, that has been lost in your translation!

Name 1 that I have run from. But lets also point out the questions you don’t answer.
When someone uses your own words and same reference material (the Bible) to point out a different prospective you call it vague and pervasive. Now if you are lost in my translation please ask I will help you.

of course, i know what the red words are...you made mention to the red words, like the words in red held up because they were in red.
and jesus did say to give to ceasar what is his...
and respect the laws of the land
and never forget the teachings of the prophets of old!!

jesus never taught over the ten commandments..but he knew and we know that that is the laws written in stone!


Exodus 20
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Did Christ harvest food on the Sabbath did He not heal on the Sabbath??
Christ teaches that it is the interpretations of the law that is flawed. Christ asked how many have looked for a lost sheep on the Sabbath? You can go on from there

i hope you use the ten commandments!

Matthew 22
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

once again...you go off on a tangent that has no bearing on what we are talking about...and then bring it back when i bring you too.....
truly it is amusing!
I understand to you it’s a tangent because you don’t want to have to deal with it because it will show the flaw in your reasoning.

like i said...
hold a national vote or poll...and see what happens!!
nuff said!!

I say again IS THE MAJORITY ALWAYS RIGHT????????? The world is flat…….
Yes putting it to a vote this year it might not pass. But how many times does it take to make a major change? Does it always happen the first time????


:bahamas:

well..i guess im flawed, and i guess you are better than I!
nothing else i can say to you other than that!!
:bye:

Y2kbad not flawed just need to try and look through someone else's eyes.

You know the saying you have to walk in someone else’s shoes before you can even begin to understand them. (Watch out mine are high heels) :cutie:

God make adam and eve and tell them to do der ting............Gays and lesbians are an abomination...to mankind..and to god....Slew dem if dey een want repent....Slew dem :bye:

God make adam and eve and tell them to do der ting............Gays and lesbians are an abomination...to mankind..and to god....Slew dem if dey een want repent....Slew dem :bye:


You are really not contributing anything to this discussion. We don't need anyone making threats against anyone in here.

Y2kbad not flawed just need to try and look through someone else's eyes.

You know the saying you have to walk in someone else’s shoes before you can even begin to understand them. (Watch out mine are high heels) :cutie:

i had a feeling!
well i know what i am and what i want to be...
i appreciate your struggle!

i had a feeling!
well i know what i am and what i want to be...
i appreciate your struggle!


Thank you for at least trying to understand.

Thank you for at least trying to understand.


are we at a dead end here?
so i guess we can agree that homosexual marriage is a no no!
we can agree that it is immoral!
and that the society should see it as a deviant act!
and that the society has the right not to be bent at the whim of a chosen minority!
:o

are we at a dead end here?
so i guess we can agree that homosexual marriage is a no no!
we can agree that it is immoral!
and that the society should see it as a deviant act!
and that the society has the right not to be bent at the whim of a chosen minority!
:o


Excuse me where do you get this idea?

discrimination is a no no!
it is immoral!
and society should see it as a deviant act!
and that the society has the right not to be bent at the whim of a chosen mislead misinformed majority!

After all the world is still flat right
And the Bible clearly sanctions slavery. Why is slavey banned in the Bahamas???

Hi Vicky:

The persistence of a thing does not answer the question of its objective good.

Dishonor of parents, murder, infidelity, thievery, dishonesty of speech and lusting after the material goods of others also persist!

The God of the Israelites who prohibited each of the above behaviors was not and is still not under the illusion that to prohibit a thing is to eliminate it!

Homosexual acts have been consistently rejected by the God the Israelites - the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ - for the same reason that each of the above behaviors have been rejected: They are contrary to the good of persons and the good of the human family.

1. They are contrary to the good of persons because they are objectively disordered.

Our physiology gives us one of the more sure signs in this regard (a sign that is particularly poignant in the case of male homosexual intercourse): Men simply lack a suitable receptacle for penal insertion.

2. They are contrary to the objective good of all persons who freely consent to engage in them.

This can be seen by looking at the incompleteness of the sexual acts between consenting adults of the same gender. Homosexual acts completely severe the connection between sexual acts and procreation and disrupt the interior bond between sexual acts and the innate human desire for paternity/maternity.

As a result, the "best" homosexual acts (between faithful monogamous partners) diminish the dignity of each of the persons involved. This holds true despite the best wishes of those engaged in homosexual acts. To engage in an act that - in itself - makes the fullest expression of the human person impossible - is to act in a manner that is contrary to the good of the persons so engaged.

3. They are contrary to the objective good of the human family.

The logic of homosexual acts is explicitly contrary to the continuance of the human family. No act which - by its nature - threatens the existence of the human family can be said to be for the common good of the human family. It is not difficult to expose the utterly self-indulgent character of homosexual acts: Men and women who engage in homosexual acts elevate their personal good over and above the good of the human family.

Men and women of conscience - who also find themselves afflicted with the objective disorder of homosexuality - cannot escape the clarion call of their fundamental obligations as human persons. The good of the human family calls each of us to set aside our personal desires and to act in ways that secure our cmmon well-being.

Persons whose sexual orientation can be described as exlusively or predominantly homo-erotic are challenged by their responsibility to the human family to continence and self-mastery, to set aside their people pleasure for the good of us all.

This is the true test of their character! In asserting their personal "right" to homo-erotic acts - and in pressing for legal recognition of homosexual relationships - men and women with an exlusively or predominantly homo-erotic experience of sexual desire are exalting their personal comfort and pleasure over the common good of humanity.

Hi Vicky:

The persistence of a thing does not answer the question of its objective good.

Dishonor of parents, murder, infidelity, thievery, dishonesty of speech and lusting after the material goods of others also persist!

The God of the Israelites who prohibited each of the above behaviors was not and is still not under the illusion that to prohibit a thing is to eliminate it!

Homosexual acts have been consistently rejected by the God the Israelites - the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ -
First let me say hi and welcome to the topic.
Now to respond.
Please list each and ever place in the Bible where you see these prohibitions.


for the same reason that each of the above behaviors have been rejected: They are contrary to the good of persons and the good of the human family.
With this and all the rest of what you wrote you seem to be talking out of your head. It also seems you don't know any homosexuals. I mean know them as people as human beings. In your eyes they are only capable of lust and sex. You don't seem to think that they love. You seem to try and make them less human there for have fewer rights.

You try to imply that because homosexual sex can’t produce offspring there is no point to it. You miss the point of love and companionship. Also with that thought when a male female couples that are sterile and have sex is just as pointless and does nothing for family. Its just lust and sex, There is no point in them being married either.



1. They are contrary to the good of persons because they are objectively disordered.

Our physiology gives us one of the more sure signs in this regard (a sign that is particularly poignant in the case of male homosexual intercourse): Men simply lack a suitable receptacle for penal insertion.
I think you better start studying about homosexuality and human anatomy before you say something like this.
Or are you one of these people that believe that the only time you are to have sex is to make babies? Thus only when the female is fertile that the male can have sex with her or have an orgasm. You need to study human sexuality.



2. They are contrary to the objective good of all persons who freely consent to engage in them.

This can be seen by looking at the incompleteness of the sexual acts between consenting adults of the same gender. Homosexual acts completely severe the connection between sexual acts and procreation and disrupt the interior bond between sexual acts and the innate human desire for paternity/maternity.

You better look up the differance between gender and sex.


As a result, the "best" homosexual acts (between faithful monogamous partners) diminish the dignity of each of the persons involved. This holds true despite the best wishes of those engaged in homosexual acts. To engage in an act that - in itself - makes the fullest expression of the human person impossible - is to act in a manner that is contrary to the good of the persons so engaged.

3. They are contrary to the objective good of the human family.
See above.

The logic of homosexual acts is explicitly contrary to the continuance of the human family. No act which - by its nature - threatens the existence of the human family can be said to be for the common good of the human family. It is not difficult to expose the utterly self-indulgent character of homosexual acts: Men and women who engage in homosexual acts elevate their personal good over and above the good of the human family.

Men and women of conscience - who also find themselves afflicted with the objective disorder of homosexuality - cannot escape the clarion call of their fundamental obligations as human persons. The good of the human family calls each of us to set aside our personal desires and to act in ways that secure our cmmon well-being.

Persons whose sexual orientation can be described as exlusively or predominantly homo-erotic are challenged by their responsibility to the human family to continence and self-mastery, to set aside their people pleasure for the good of us all.

This is the true test of their character! In asserting their personal "right" to homo-erotic acts - and in pressing for legal recognition of homosexual relationships - men and women with an exlusively or predominantly homo-erotic experience of sexual desire are exalting their personal comfort and pleasure over the common good of humanity.


You use a lot or words to make 3 or 4 points. You must be a politician or preacher.